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wash the dishes, AND DRY THE DISHES?

When we built our house last year we accepted the builder's choice of dishwasher because we figured most new ones are fairly useless anyway, and we didn’t really have time to fully research dishwashers.

This one leaks after 18 months so I am going to yank it out.
The last three "builder grade" dishwashers I have experience with in the past ten years at our house, a rental, and one I installed for my MIL all did three things very poorly.

-Didn’t clean very well
-Didn’t dry the contents of the washer at all because apparently the government assigned the same task force to ruin dishwashers as they did to ruin nozzles for gas cans
-Didn’t fully drain so if you didn’t use it for a few weeks it would start to stink due to water standing deep in the bowels of the beast, or something.

I’d be happiest if I can buy it at Lowes or Home Depot, and if it’s GE that’s just a bonus because GE is more predictable in their delivery times if I have to order.

Discuss.
And thanks in advance.
 
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Pretty happy with the Bosch we put in at the last place, so much so we put one in here when the other one was still working (they had all black appliances we had stainless).
 
BurnedOutGeek said:
Pretty happy with the Bosch we put in at the last place, so much so we put one in here when the other one was still working (they had all black appliances we had stainless).
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If you get a chance and can snap a pic of the label with model number, usually in the edge if the door or thereabouts, that’d be great.
 
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Bosch. Cycle takes a long time, but if you arrange things so water doesn’t pool in them and open it up as soon as the cycle is finished, the hot dishes will be dry in a short time. It’s the first one we’ve had we’re reasonably happy with. There is a difference among the models, check the reviews
 
Red Marley said:
Bosch. Cycle takes a long time, but if you arrange things so water doesn’t pool in them and open it up as soon as the cycle is finished, the hot dishes will be dry in a short time. It’s the first one we’ve had we’re reasonably happy with. There is a difference among the models, check the reviews
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I had a DW that would run forever a few years ago, that was much newer than previous washers I had had and thought the timer was broken. Replaced the board. Still ran forever. It was then that I researched and learned that the government-gas-nozzle-task-force had mandated in their infinite wisdom to make them run much longer cycle times for reasons that totally escape me now.

Oh, and mandated that they be sealed with no vents for the steam to escape during the drying cycle.
 
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Red Marley said:
Bosch. Cycle takes a long time, but if you arrange things so water doesn’t pool in them and open it up as soon as the cycle is finished, the hot dishes will be dry in a short time. It’s the first one we’ve had we’re reasonably happy with. There is a difference among the models, check the reviews
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We had a new Bosch in the house we sold back in January. It was so quiet that it had a light that shone on the floor so you could tell it was running (not a gimmick, it was that quiet). And it dried the dishes reasonably well. But any plastic plates, bowls, etc. washed in any dishwasher will be hard to dry, in my experience.
 
We replaced our almost 20 year old dishwasher (that started leaking) with this one, about two months ago:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Whirlpool-...24-in-Actual-23-875-in-ENERGY-STAR/1000028335

My wife has just used the "Heated Dry Option" the last two times and says it works pretty well. There is still "a little water on the concave cup and bowl bottoms". Cycle time is about two hours, (we have not tried the "1-hour wash cycle"). If there is anything remarkable about it, I would say we're surprised at how quiet it is compared to what we have owned in the past. It cleans well, and we like it, a lot really, but don't take this as a banner-waving recommendation, I'm just sharing my recent experience.
 
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Nothing lasts anymore. I had a Kenmoore washer and dryer for 20+ years I bought from Sears when i was like 20. Wife wanted new stuff. We replaced them (they still worked) with Maytags from Lowes and those things crapped out after about 5 years. I have had three driers in the past 10 years or so. Nothing from Lowes seems to last any more. Some of the stuff looks good but I would put money on it wont last twenty years whatever it is.
 
[QUOTE="Variable, post: 1084205, member: 2225”]it wont last twenty years whatever it is.[/QUOTE]

Neither will I. ;)
But at this point I have the water shut off to the POS leaky DW I have now, so anything will be better than what’s installed.
 
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We have a bosch, really can’t tell when running but that’s because no grinder in it. Gotta knock the crud off the plates before you load or it accumulates in the screen in the bottom.

Run it on sanitize cycle and open the door within 30 min of it ending and most everything is dry. Don’t open the door and there will be water on plastic and in the recessed bottoms of glasses.
 
Had a Bosch at a previous house and bought it because of the noise...man was it quiet!!! Worked as well as any other dishwasher I’ve had. Cost a few more clams too! When the one in the current house craps out, I’ll look that way again. The one here sounds like an interstate running through the house when running!
 
Bosch is the king of dishwashers for a reason. Some get close, whirlpool’s top model right now does really well overall. If you look at $20k+ appliance suites, they all use Bosch dish washers.

Edit: I should also add that the ever increasing EPA guidelines require less water and energy usage, meaning cleaning and drying are more and more difficult to do really well.
 
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So I’m looking at the Bosch 500 series with “AutoAir” which pops the door open at the end of the dry cycle to aid in dry times,
and the 800 series which has “CrystalDry” feature, but I have no clue what that is, and it costs a little more.

Anybody have the 500 series (@BurnedOutGeek) or 800 series to weigh in on these features?
 
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I have the Cheapskate Series with neither of those features so I can't help ya
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The missus and I are headed to Lowes after lunch to see what they keep in the store. I may end up with one likewise.
 
I’m a sales manager specializing in major appliances. Bosch has a huge following mainly due to how quiet they are. Their biggest downfall for the last 6 years has been drying. The newest lineup has attempted to solve that by offering a couple different “features”. The 800 series has “crystal dry” which easiest way to describe is big ass “silica packet” built into the frame. I don’t remember the Chemical name. Unobtainium or some such. (Joking). Absorbs moisture and dissipates as heat. 500 series will pop the door open at the end of cycle like Samsung has been doing for the last 3 or so years. This allows cool air in and moisture out.
Bosch does have the best leak detection and prevention system on the market. So if you are upstairs or water damage is a concern it may be a good idea to stick with their higher end offerings.
Like many have said we are averaging 7-10 year life expectancy now on dish. So don’t expect to spend a grand and not have to buy another until you are in a nursing home.

I personally recommend kitchen aid dishwashers to people that are concerned with drying as they still have a heated dry element. However understand this means no plastics in bottom rack or they may melt. Their new model has a crazy large 3rd rack and is more adjustable for loading than most Bosch. (Speaking of loading, either you or the Mrs should also checkout the tine layout on the racks. Lots of people dislike the two zone lower rack -different direction facing tines)

That being said if you are washing lots of plastics it won’t really matter. It’ll still be wet. Glass is fine with condensation dry and ceramic does ok but better with heat, plastic stays wet.

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One of my sister-in-law is looking for hubby number four. She wash dishes so clean I surprised she does not rub off the pattern. Dry them by hand and keeps the house. Super clean.

The problems is she is a damm Yankee nag monster.

Planted three hubby and has lots of money. Even my mule hates her.
 
Metalliman27055 said:
I’m a sales manager specializing in major appliances. Bosch has a huge following mainly due to how quiet they are. Their biggest downfall for the last 6 years has been drying. The newest lineup has attempted to solve that by offering a couple different “features”. The 800 series has “crystal dry” which easiest way to describe is big ass “silica packet” built into the frame. I don’t remember the Chemical name. Unobtainium or some such. (Joking). Absorbs moisture and dissipates as heat. 500 series will pop the door open at the end of cycle like Samsung has been doing for the last 3 or so years. This allows cool air in and moisture out.
Bosch does have the best leak detection and prevention system on the market. So if you are upstairs or water damage is a concern it may be a good idea to stick with their higher end offerings.
Like many have said we are averaging 7-10 year life expectancy now on dish. So don’t expect to spend a grand and not have to buy another until you are in a nursing home.

I personally recommend kitchen aid dishwashers to people that are concerned with drying as they still have a heated dry element. However understand this means no plastics in bottom rack or they may melt. Their new model has a crazy large 3rd rack and is more adjustable for loading than most Bosch. (Speaking of loading, either you or the Mrs should also checkout the tine layout on the racks. Lots of people dislike the two zone lower rack -different direction facing tines)

That being said if you are washing lots of plastics it won’t really matter. It’ll still be wet. Glass is fine with condensation dry and ceramic does ok but better with heat, plastic stays wet.

Rant over.


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Thanks for that info. They sell Kitchenaid at Lowes up the street. Any particular model, feature, or series of Kitchenaid that you can recommend that dries better? It’s just the wife and I for the most part, and we clean off dishes before putting them in the machine so I’m less interested in capacity/rack space, and more interested in one that just washes and dries fairly well.
 
604 is pretty popular if you want the 3rd rack. Is in line with Bosch 500 on sound level at 44 decibels. The 104 is an easier price point model if you don’t care about 3rd rack. Steps up to 46decibels and can usually get it on sale around the $600 price point. Both have options for towel bar handle or pocket handle. Be aware the knurled towel handle on KitchenAid sticks out about 1 3/4” and is easy to catch a hip pointer if you have limited space between cabinets and island or smaller kitchen.

Typically the Bosch 500 series with air dry is gonna run closer to $900. I would say the KitchenAid 104 is closest to the Bosch ascenta series. But I wouldn’t bother with the Bosch ascenta. If you go Bosch 500 or 800 series is the way to go. The leak prevention is worth the price difference.
 
I'm a fan of Kitchenaide. They make good stuff and their handle medalions look like cartridge headstamps.

Get a KA all stainless dishwasher and you'll sell it with the house.
 
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Inglis said:
Even my mule hates her.
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Note to self: Never buy a dishwasher hated by Mulekind.

EDIT: Just so as not to contribute solely to thread derailment, I, too, have a dishwasher! However, my experience may not be relevant.

I have a wee kitchen, so I hadta get a wee dishmachine: 18"w 'compact' size. The Bosch version was $850 +/- at the time, and I was pinched for cash at that stage of the remodel, so I opted for a Frigidaire. It does well enough. So far, no leaks or problems. Same issues as others have mentioned: it doesn't dry plastic at all, and leaves water in concavities. Loading is where it sucks; hard to fit many larger items in, or a variety of things. But that's a function of wee-ness, not manufacture.
 
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We have a Kitchenaid and are quite pleased with it. We have a small house open living room to kitchen and we can run it and do not have to worry about noise from the dishwasher. Never had a problem with things getting clean or dry. There is a lot of room and the top rack is adjustable. Highly recommend.
 
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I have some sort of whirlpool from Lowe's last year. Cleans well, fairly quiet, runs a while, doesn't dry plastic. I read a stainless vs plastic liner makes a big difference, but then like the cheap ass I am I got plastic and of course there's always tons of condensation hanging around. Good luck, let us know how whatever you get does.
 
I've been in the appliance world working for a wholesaler (we deal with builders and property management) for 20 years. Everything @Metalliman27055 said is 100% spot on.

I put a Bosch 800 series in my old house and it was an outstanding dishwasher. When we moved to Matthews I opted for a KitchenAid. I have the KDTE334GPS (discontinued). New model is the KDTM404KPS. You should be able to find one for $900 if you shop a little.
Why KitchenAid? It's quieter than Bosch. It has bottle washer prongs in the (middle)upper rack that are absolutely the bomb if you use glass water bottles or have babies with bottles. No more hand washing those. It has a dryer. Everything comes out dry except for the water that accumulates in the rims of the tupperware. It has a third rack that's more flexible than what you get on the Bosch and it has a far more flexible loading system with adjustable height racks and folding tines in the racks.

If you go Bosch you won't be disappointed either, but I'm thrilled with my KitchenAid. The killer feature with Bosch is they build the dishwasher into a plastic drip pan. The water leak system detects water in the base pan (not on the floor) and shuts off the water at the inlet valve. This is a big deal for people who have an upstairs kitchen, or a condo.

Also, parts/service need to be considered. Whirlpool (KitchenAid) parts are more abundant and cheaper than Bosch parts. Whirlpool techs are easier to find as well. Good to know, just in case.
 
Good thread and some good advise. I will say if you like to repair your own appliances or repair instead of throw away GE and Bosch dishwasher parts are much higher cost. Everything in my kitchen is Kenmore and 15 years old. Dishwasher drys excellent with steam out the front and quiet. No nothing of Kenmore of year 2020. I repair my own stuff IF the price of parts allow it.
 
BlackGun said:
Good thread and some good advise. I will say if you like to repair your own appliances or repair instead of throw away GE and Bosch dishwasher parts are much higher cost. Everything in my kitchen is Kenmore and 15 years old. Dishwasher drys excellent with steam out the front and quiet. No nothing of Kenmore of year 2020. I repair my own stuff IF the price of parts allow it.
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I think the EPA made them close the steam vents which is why they don’t dry anymore.
 
Gator said:
A Bosch dishwasher commercial just appeared on my television...............................

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See, this is why I don’t watch television. lol
 
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