It’s. About. Time!

[Spartan]

https://apple.news/ATRrPLE4VT-OFLPt6mwV4Yg

A proposed Florida bill would strip coward former deputy scott Peterson of his retirement benefits.


He took an oath.
He violated the oath in a most cowardly fashion.
He hasn’t committed sepuku.
That alone should tell you everything you will ever need to know about his “character.”

 

[gc70]

I'm not happy that the deputy got to immediately retire and walk away.

I'm also not happy with the idea of the government creating a punishment for something after the fact.

 

[SC380]

I would like a similar bill that strips the retirement from any member of congress that passed a budget that had a deficit...and then puts them on a payment plan for the balance.

 

[Cowboy]

I don't see how you can take away what a person has earned, but that does seem to be the MO of the government.

I couldn't read the article I'm not an Apple news person.

 

[JBoyette]

I don't see how you can take away what a person has earned, but that does seem to be the MO of the government.

I couldn't read the article I'm not an Apple news person.

The only thing a person earns is what they own, not owed.

If one assumes .gov or .employer owes them anything beyond what has been taken, is in for a rude awaking.

Ask anyone who fell for any pension plan offered in the last 20 years.

 

[yard mongrel]

I don't see how you can take away what a person has earned, but that does seem to be the MO of the government.

I couldn't read the article I'm not an Apple news person.

What about the citizens he swore an oath to?

Guess what happens to benefits like pension and retirement in the private sector when you 110% unequivocally fail to do your job.

He deserves worse.

 

[Cowboy]

The only thing a person earns is what they own, not owed.

If one assumes .gov or .employer owes them anything beyond what has been taken, is in for a rude awaking.

Ask anyone who fell for any pension plan offered in the last 20 years.

I'm not saying it can't be depleted or not there to give. I'm saying that if you give X and they give X for your pension once you have retired it's yours and they shouldn't be able to take it from you if it's there. Not only have you earned it you worked for it and it came out of your paycheck.

 

[Cowboy]

What about the citizens he swore an oath to?

Guess what happens to benefits like pension and retirement in the private sector when you 110% unequivocally fail to do your job.

He deserves worse.

Please tell me what happens to your 401k if you fail at your job and get fired? I don't even know who we are talking about as stated above.

 

[Mike Overlay]

I don't see how you can take away what a person has earned, but that does seem to be the MO of the government.

Yet it is done to damn near everyone who works a job of some sort

 

[yard mongrel]

Please tell me what happens to your 401k if you fail at your job and get fired? I don't even know who we are talking about as stated above.

Your company quits matching it for one.

Please tell me why a cowardly POS that swore to protect citizens in his area cowered outside while children were being shot deserves money taxed from the very families of those that were slaughtered while he hid.

 

[yard mongrel]

Yet it is done to damn near everyone who works a job of some sort

Public sector employees get defensive over the benefits.

 

[Cowboy]

Your company quits matching it for one.

Please tell me why a cowardly POS that swore to protect citizens in his area cowered outside while children were being shot deserves money taxed from the very families of those that were slaughtered while he hid.

Your company doesn't match after you retire either.

But If you utterly fail what happens to your 401k?

Again I guess your talking about the Florida deputy at the school shooting. I get not letting him be an officer again. But I don't get how you can just take away a pension which was taken out of his paycheck just like Social security was taken out. He earned it and did the work just like private sector do for their 401k and retirement savings.

 

[yard mongrel]

Your company doesn't match after you retire either.

Again I guess your talking about the Florida deputy at the school shooting. I get not letting him be an officer again. But I don't get how you can just take away a pension which was taken out of his paycheck just like Social security was taken out. He earned it and did the work just like private sector do for their 401k and retirement savings.

I would say being a cowardly POS and desertion of duty should have him stripped of his freedom and fiscal well being - that was what he earned that day.

 

[JBoyette]

Your company doesn't match after you retire either.

But If you utterly fail what happens to your 401k?

Again I guess your talking about the Florida deputy at the school shooting. I get not letting him be an officer again. But I don't get how you can just take away a pension which was taken out of his paycheck just like Social security was taken out. He earned it and did the work just like private sector do for their 401k and retirement savings.

Well no one my age 42, will collect SS eather. So i guess the joke is on me too

 

[Cowboy]

I would say being a cowardly POS and desertion of duty should have him stripped of his freedom and fiscal well being - that was what he earned that day.

So when you fail at your job what happens to your 401k?

 

[Cowboy]

Well no one my age 42, will collect SS eather. So i guess the joke is on me too

Same with me. I don't think it will be there.

 

[yard mongrel]

But If you utterly fail what happens to your 401k?

Okay, by utterly fail, you mean I make a choice that costs folks their lives? I get sued into oblivion. After years of service I make a decision that is extremely costly and gives the entire company a public black eye? I get sued into oblivion.

 

[Cowboy]

Okay, by utterly fail, you mean I make a choice that costs folks their lives? I get sued into oblivion. After years of service I make a decision that is extremely costly and gives the entire company a public black eye? I get sued into oblivion.

Ok so sue the guy. I don't like the President it sets in just taking someone's retirement.

 

[yard mongrel]

So when you fail at your job what happens to your 401k?

You're right, dude's a god dang public servant. That money that the government forcibly took from the citizens of Broward Co to pay that sorry POS's pension should absolutely go to him after he hid behind a column while the children of said citizens were slaughtered.

 

[yard mongrel]

Ok so sue the guy.

So victims of his negligence should sue him for money that is currently being taken from them to pay his pension?

 

[yard mongrel]

Ok so sue the guy. I don't like the President it sets in just taking someone's retirement.

I don't like that .gov spending money that it doesn't have could lead to a recession that could cost me my job, but that is why options were invented. Extreme cases of dereliction of duty deserve severe punishments.

 

[Cowboy]

You're right, dude's a goddamn public servant. That money that the government forcibly took from the citizens of Broward Co to pay that sorry POS's pension should absolutely go to him after he hid behind a column while the children of said citizens were slaughtered.

So victims of his negligence should sue him for money that is currently being taken from them to pay his pension?

Sure he's a disgrace. No one is arguing that point. But I don't believe you can take it away from him or should take it away from him without it being a law suit. He earned his money that was taken away from each of his paychecks over the years. That is earned money just like your 401k except he didn't get a choice to put it in.

 

[noway2]

Again I guess your talking about the Florida deputy at the school shooting. I get not letting him be an officer again. But I don't get how you can just take away a pension which was taken out of his paycheck just like Social security was taken out. He earned it and did the work just like private sector do for their 401k and retirement savings.

Setting aside all emotion about the situation, and looking at it objectively, I think your analysis is spot on. He was on the clock, with those things as part of his contract. He can be fired and accumulate no further benefit, but until then it is part of his formal compensation. Granted, not fulfilling his (public) retirement means it probably won’t amount to squat, so it’s still the justice many think is deserved.

 

[yard mongrel]

Sure he's a disgrace. No one is arguing that point. But I don't believe you can take it away from him or should take it away from him without it being a law suit. He earned his money that was taken away from each of his paychecks over the years. That is earned money just like your 401k except he didn't get a choice to put it in.

How about the citizens of Broward Co shouldn't have money they earned taken from them under threat of force to pay the pension of a "man" that hid behind a column while their children were slaughtered.

 

[Cowboy]

How about the citizens of Broward Co shouldn't have money they earned taken from them under threat of force to pay the pension of a "man" that hid behind a column while their children were slaughtered.

All the money he earned had already been taken when he retired. They no longer pay anything to him.

Facts not emotions.

 

[Cowboy]

Would you be ok if the state wanted to pass a law saying they were going to take his house?

 

[yard mongrel]

Would you be ok if the state wanted to pass a law saying they were going to take his house?

I would be okay with the state confining him to a cell until he took his last breath. The house was likely invested in by other family members, so that would be a no from me. But yes, in egregious circumstances like his, I believe undermining his entire fiscal well being that he collected over the course of his career as a public servant is a very fitting punishment for such an overt desertion of duty. If you have more rights and privileges than the other "citizens", high standards and steeper punishments should come with that responsibility, just like in every other single walk of life.

 

[yard mongrel]

All the money he earned had already been taken when he retired. They no longer pay anything to him.

Facts not emotions.

Semantics, it's not like the money they took back then was specifically set aside to give him at a later date. Their current tax dollars are going to him based on a promise made to him at his first day of employment years ago.

I don't like government meddling in affairs, but I fully support them giving it to their own, deep and hard, like they've been doing to the rest of us since birth.

 

[BlackGun]

All the money he earned had already been taken when he retired. They no longer pay anything to him.

Facts not emotions.

I’m not sure how his retirement worked the entire length of his great service as defender of the people but states now require you to contribute. Once they just handed you a retirement for pay grade and years of service. I think he gets his retirement but he is a f...ing coward.

Even here in my county they put the shithole problem cops on school duty. Hell we even had one who wore eye liner. Let’s be honest about resource officers. They are not the top of the beat cops promoted to break up fist fights and catch school escapees.

 

[Spartan]

What about the citizens he swore an oath to?

Guess what happens to benefits like pension and retirement in the private sector when you 110% unequivocally fail to do your job.

He deserves worse.

No, no, no...
He didn’t fail.
HE DIDNT TRY.
HE IS AN ABSOLUTE COWARD.
He swore an oath.
He has no honor.
If he had any honor or integrity, he would have eaten his gun.
The should strip him of his pension, his possessions, his clothes, and his citizenship, and drop him over the closest border.

 

[Jayne]

What about the citizens he swore an oath to?

Didn't they already remove the 'duty to protect' thing?

Go look at some of the oaths, they have language like this: I will support, protect and defend the constitution and government of the United States and of the State of Florida;

Lots of bits about defending the constitution and the .gov, but nothing about protecting individuals or non-goverment at all. I guess you could stretch it and say he was dishonorable in his duties, but that's kinda grey.

On the other hand, the .gov is going to strip away SS benefits from us, so letting them strip things from their own is somewhat equal, although I think they're both "not right". If one party in an agreement can arbitrarily change that agreement without the consent of the other or without penalty, then it's not an agreement, it's just theft with some worthless paper wrapping.

 

[Cowboy]

No, no, no...
He didn’t fail.
HE DIDNT TRY.
HE IS AN ABSOLUTE COWARD.
He swore an oath.
He has no honor.
If he had any honor or integrity, he would have eaten his gun.
The should strip him of his pension, his possessions, his clothes, and his citizenship, and drop him over the closest border.

I agree on these feelings.

 

[yard mongrel]

All the money he earned had already been taken when he retired. They no longer pay anything to him.

Facts not emotions.

Let me try and rephrase...

The citizens payed him in advance for his duties. He did not fulfill his duties, and thus, does not deserve that compensation.

 

[Cowboy]

Let me try and rephrase...

The citizens payed him in advance for his duties. He did not fulfill his duties, and thus, does not deserve that compensation.

Wrong again. They did not pay him in advance for anything. Public employees submit a time sheet just like everyone else.

 

[yard mongrel]

Wrong again. They did not pay him in advance for anything. Public employees submit a time sheet just like everyone else.

Why are police promised a pension? Probably has nothing to do with a service expected of them right? It's an incentive used to keep them employed as servants to the public, paid by the public. Their pension is money promised to them post-retirement for presumably having been, at the least, a decent employee. If said employee fails to deliver said services, he deserves no future compensation.

 

[Cowboy]

Why are police promised a pension? Probably has nothing to do with a service expected of them right? It's an incentive used to keep them employed as servants to the public, paid by the public. Their pension is money promised to them post-retirement for presumably having been, at the least, a decent employee. If said employee fails to deliver said services, he deserves no future compensation.

They are not promised a pension they earn and contribute to a pension. Just the same as your 401k except they have theirs held back without choice.

 

[yard mongrel]

They are not promised a pension they earn and contribute to a pension. Just the same as your 401k except they have theirs held back without choice.

So it's their money promised to them at a later date for having completed their career as honorable police or whatever. Seems like the state is saying he didn't earn his. Seems like he picked the wrong line of work to be a coward.

 

[Cowboy]

So it's their money promised to them at a later date for having completed their career as honorable police or whatever. Seems like the state is saying he didn't earn his. Seems like he picked the wrong line of work to be a coward.

So should the state take your 401k because you screwed up as an electrician, plumber or whatever? Wouldn't the argument be it's my damn money. Well it's the same here it's his damn money not future earnings.

 

[11B CIB]

Well no one my age 42, will collect SS eather. So i guess the joke is on me too

Joke is on all of us, amigo

 

[yard mongrel]

So should the state take your 401k because you screwed up as an electrician, plumber or whatever? Wouldn't the argument be it's my damn money. Well it's the same here it's his damn money not future earnings.

I'll realign your analogy to a more apples to apples comparison: If I worked for a company that gave me a 401K as an electrician, and in the course of my job, I failed to do something electrical related that resulted in the death of 15 of my employer's children, I would not expect that 401k, no, nor would I take it. Honor works that way.