It just keeps getting stupider and stupider.

Variable said:
I think the complaints about wearing a mask are really people looking for something to argue about. Just where the damn thing. It's to protect people from YOU not them. Of course, I think people should be forced to bathe regularly or not go in close proximity to other people too but.... maybe i am a Fascist?. Also... Brush Yo Teeth! Some of you have breath that could melt plastic. Ain't nobody got time for that!
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I CAN NOT WEAR A MASK FOR MEDICAL REASONS. TELL ME TO "JUST WHERE THE DAMN THING" F*** Y**!!!
 
JimB said:
But that’s my question, why do you choose not to wear one? Not some hypothetical crap about how lower O2 levels might affect blah blah blah or similar, but for you specifically, why do you not choose to wear a mask when there seems to be no significant cost and some potential benefit?
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Why I choose to not wear one:

1) does not cross the threshold of my RBA matrix
2) the porosity of non-N95s do not halt the transmittability
3) the risk of me getting it and being permanently affected is statistically low (goes back to #1)
4) the risk of me getting it and transmitting it to my family and them having significant sequelae is statistically low (see #1)

If the media put as much emphasis on adequate hand hygiene, we'd be a lot further along on being on the other side of this.
 
All of this Covid crap is hog wash. Yes it kills some people, but so do a lot of other things every day.

My DIL is a PA in a county health department and deals with it every day. She agrees that it is a bunch of crap. How many know that every positive result is listed as a new case? She had a student patient test positive, school closed so the student went home to FL. She tested positive for 6 more weeks and every test was counted as new case. So she was counted at least 7 times. That's one way how it gets twisted to meet their narrative.
 
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All of this Covid crap is hog wash. Yes it kills some people, but so do a lot of other things every day.

My DIL is a PA in a county health department and deals with it every day. She agrees that it is a bunch of crap. How many know that every positive result is listed as a new case? She had a student patient test positive, school closed so the student went home to FL. She tested positive for 6 more weeks and every test was counted as new case. So she was counted at least 7 times. That's one way how it gets twisted to meet their narrative.
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That's a simply a product of bad data management: there's no comprehensive database to share information. If Chuckman goes to a drive-thru testing site and pops positive, it gets reported as such (rightfully so). Next week Chuckman goes to the same drive-thru, still tests positive, it gets reported, again. The reality is anyone who pops positive should be reported to the county's health department, where they can keep track of the county's data and send it to the state.
 
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That's a simply a product of bad data management: there's no comprehensive database to share information. If Chuckman goes to a drive-thru testing site and pops positive, it gets reported as such (rightfully so). Next week Chuckman goes to the same drive-thru, still tests positive, it gets reported, again. The reality is anyone who pops positive should be reported to the county's health department, where they can keep track of the county's data and send it to the state.
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THey are counting a positive result for anti-bodies as a positive for Covid-19. It IS a positive that the person was exposed to some TYPE of corona virus but unless the person has symptoms then they DO NOT HAVE COVID-19. This is what pisses me off.
 
Chuckman said:
Why I choose to not wear one:

1) does not cross the threshold of my RBA matrix
2) the porosity of non-N95s do not halt the transmittability
3) the risk of me getting it and being permanently affected is statistically low (goes back to #1)
4) the risk of me getting it and transmitting it to my family and them having significant sequelae is statistically low (see #1)

If the media put as much emphasis on adequate hand hygiene, we'd be a lot further along on being on the other side of this.
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Chuckman my understanding is the purpose of the mask is not about stopping you from getting virus, it is about stopping as much of the droplets from your breath from getting airborne. So less virus in the air less chance someone will breath it. That plus 6 foot distance greatly reduces the risk of short term exposure. Do you disagree with this?

V
 
JimB said:
But that’s my question, why do you choose not to wear one? Not some hypothetical crap about how lower O2 levels might affect blah blah blah or similar, but for you specifically, why do you not choose to wear a mask when there seems to be no significant cost and some potential benefit?
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Here’s why:







Were they lying to us then or are they lying to us now?

Terry
 
Button Pusher said:
I agree but the virus will not be blocked by this type of mask, dust and pollen yes, CV no. The other fancy face coverings and masks with exhaust port(s) that are unfiltered that are not N95 rated can't block it.
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Am I the only noticing the refrain of "it's not for yourself, but for others", yet an N95 mask, with an exhaust port, is considered safe? Umm....
 
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Variable said:
Chuckman my understanding is the purpose of the mask is not about stopping you from getting virus, it is about stopping as much of the droplets from your breath from getting airborne. So less virus in the air less chance someone will breath it. That plus 6 foot distance greatly reduces the risk of short term exposure. Do you disagree with this?
V
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You are really guzzling this koolaid by the gallon.
 
Crazy Carl said:
Am I the only noticing the refrain of "it's not for yourself, but for others", yet an N95 mask, with an exhaust port, is considered safe? Umm....
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N95 is the filter material rating and isn't a type of mask. Vents will not stop exhaled breath so they are not considered safe for preventing transmission of anything
 
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Variable said:
Chuckman my understanding is the purpose of the mask is not about stopping you from getting virus, it is about stopping as much of the droplets from your breath from getting airborne. So less virus in the air less chance someone will breath it. That plus 6 foot distance greatly reduces the risk of short term exposure. Do you disagree with this?

V
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NKD said:
You are really guzzling this koolaid by the gallon.
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No, he's not on koolaid.
Variable is correct.


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Anyone have some peer reviewed studies on the efficiencies of various fabrics and aerosol droplet transmission of viruses handy?
 
THIS IS NOT ABOUT A VIRUS! This is to keep the drum beat up to the election, when they roll out the need and reason they must call for mail in voting. Fiddling with the numbers, keeping the face masks on, they will use any means necessary to keep this going until they can use it to GET DONALD J. TRUMP out of office! It's despicable! I will not be a party to it in any way!!!!
 
Variable said:
Chuckman my understanding is the purpose of the mask is not about stopping you from getting virus, it is about stopping as much of the droplets from your breath from getting airborne. So less virus in the air less chance someone will breath it. That plus 6 foot distance greatly reduces the risk of short term exposure. Do you disagree with this?

V
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A mask protects you from me. If I know that I do not have it and I have antibodies which means I have had it or been exposed in the past means you're extraordinary low risk from me. The 6 ft thing, that was arbitrary. There is zero science behind that. Six feet is better than five but not as good as seven.
 
premise said:
...You're pretty much repeating exactly what Carl said without the dripping disdain and ironic reflection.
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So Carl is saying an N95 with a non-filtered vent is considered acceptable by medical professionals in preventing transmission and implies he knows it is not acceptable. I'm agreeing that it is not acceptable for this goal and disagreeing with it being considered acceptable. The part with it being considered acceptable by the relevant entities is the issue I've brought up. I'm aware of the attempted "gotcha" in his post.
 
some_kid6 said:
So Carl is saying an N95 with a non-filtered vent is considered acceptable by medical professionals in preventing transmission and implies he knows it is not acceptable. I'm agreeing that it is not acceptable for this goal and disagreeing with it being considered acceptable. The part with it being considered acceptable by the relevant entities is the issue I've brought up. I'm aware of the attempted "gotcha" in his post.
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-5 for not using "acceptable" at least one more time.

The lynchpin of the mask debate is "don't be selfish" and is being made by some folks that are wearing masks that actually push their aerosolized potential Covid droplets even further into the ambient air. Nowhere in his post did his post did I read "medical professionals" (other than the fact that he is one)
 
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I'm a medical laboratory technician with the largest medical reference lab in the country & pointing out the hypocrisy of this mask hysteria. It's nothing but feelgood bullshit & an attempt at controlling behavior/thought policing by our "betters". At work they force us to wear either cheap ass chinese disposable masks that are probably already contaminated, given their country of origin, or "pretty" cloth masks donated to the company by some erstwhile do-gooder. This, despite the fact that every tech in the building (& by extension a large part of management) knows that these bullshit masks aren't gonna stop anything remotely harmful. Hell, they can't even stop the dust in the lab that makes me sneeze constantly. We're already wearing labcoats, gloves & frequently a faceshield & wash our hands religiously, but despite all the science & despite everything our virology, molecular micro & reference micro deptartments know about pathogenic organisms, they foist these MFing masks on us because "muh feelz".
 
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premise said:
-5 for not using "acceptable" at least one more time.

The lynchpin of the mask debate is "don't be selfish" and is being made by some folks that are wearing masks that actually push their aerosolized potential Covid droplets even further into the ambient air. Nowhere in his post did his post did I read "medical professionals"
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I repeated it for emphasis and clarity but whatever.

Who is he saying "considers the masks safe" then? Context from previous posts was government/medical community advising the public so I assumed that was still the context but I shouldn't put words in his mouth. Conveniently @Crazy Carl is here and can speak for himself to clarify who he meant here.

Edit: @carl Can you elaborate on your professional medical experience?
 
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The masks are like 10 round magazine laws, completely arbitrary and a feel good measure so the bureaucrats can tell the Karen's they've done something to make them safer. All the while, liberty is dying to the thunderous applause of the sheep
 
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I repeated it for emphasis and clarity but whatever.

Who is he saying "considers the masks safe" then? Context from previous posts was government/medical community advising the public so I assumed that was still the context but I shouldn't put words in his mouth. Conveniently @Crazy Carl is here and can speak for himself to clarify who he meant here.

Edit: @carl Can you elaborate on your professional medical experience?
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Read the posts before & after yours & you'll know exactly where I stand.
 
Crazy Carl said:
I'm a medical laboratory technician with the largest medical reference lab in the country & pointing out the hypocrisy of this mask hysteria. It's nothing but feelgood bullshit & an attempt at controlling behavior/thought policing by our "betters". At work they force us to wear either cheap ass chinese disposable masks that are probably already contaminated, given their country of origin, or "pretty" cloth masks donated to the company by some erstwhile do-gooder. This, despite the fact that every tech in the building (& by extension a large part of management) knows that these bullshit masks aren't gonna stop anything remotely harmful. Hell, they can't even stop the dust in the lab that makes me sneeze constantly. We're already wearing labcoats, gloves & frequently a faceshield & wash our hands religiously, but despite all the science & despite everything our virology, molecular micro & reference micro deptartments know about pathogenic organisms, they foist these MFing masks on us because "muh feelz".
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I like the cut of your jib.
I was just pondering this morning about stumbling onto some covid convalescent plasma, heat inactivating the virus at 60°C until it's good and dry, then using a swab dipped in RNAse to wipe up some of the dead virus and rub it around up my nose.
It worked for cow/smallpox... there might be juuust enough virus left to trigger an immune response without being active or numerous enough to do any harm.
 
Crazy Carl said:
Read the posts before & after yours & you'll know exactly where I stand.
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I didn't ask where you stand. I asked who you were referring to in the post that started this mess and what your credentials were as a medical professional. You didn't answer either question. Don't even bother with the credentials. Just answer this so we can move on:

Who is saying the mask is for others safety but considers a vented mask safe in this specific statement? Who is telling you this?

That's all I want to know. I'm not even arguing for or against masks here!
 
some_kid6 said:
I didn't ask where you stand. I asked who you were referring to in the post that started this mess and what your credentials were as a medical professional. You didn't answer either question. Don't even bother with the credentials. Just answer this so we can move on:

Who is saying the mask is for others safety but considers a vented mask safe in this specific statement? Who is telling you this?

That's all I want to know. I'm not even arguing for or against masks here!
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I've been hearing the outcry about masks from the beginning of this engineered panic, with N95s being referenced by all the talking heads.

Now, for your reading comprehension lesson, my "credentials" are that I am a medical laboratory technician, or MLT ASCP if acronyms are your thing, with the ASCP denoting my certification by the American Society for Clinical Pathology.
 
JimB said:
But that’s my question, why do you choose not to wear one? Not some hypothetical crap about how lower O2 levels might affect blah blah blah or similar, but for you specifically, why do you not choose to wear a mask when there seems to be no significant cost and some potential benefit?
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Because I don't believe the narrative about Covid. Notice how now the sheep are getting used to being in confinement they're pushing the cashless agenda again?
 
Crazy Carl said:
I've been hearing the outcry about masks from the beginning of this engineered panic, with N95s being referenced by all the talking heads.
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Ok so talking heads. Got it. Did they say a vented mask was safe?

Crazy Carl said:
Now, for your reading comprehension lesson, my "credentials" are that I am a medical laboratory technician, or MLT ASCP if acronyms are your thing, with the ASCP denoting my certification by the American Society for Clinical Pathology.
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No need to be rude. I asked to elaborate because I didn't know what that meant or if it was an actual title.
 
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JimB said:
but is there more to the argument than that you just don’t wanna wear one?
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Not sure if you're just trying to be contrary, but I can say that it makes it damn impossible to read lips, and makes understanding mealy mouth, mumbling millennials even more difficult. I've yet to wear one while cutting line or pounding stakes in 92degree heat and 88% humidity, but that doesn't sound particularly healthy either. I could also probably muster up enough claustrophobia to lose my faculties while having to wear one for an extended amount of time.
 
Not just being contrary for the heck of it, really think that most folks don’t have a good reason for choosing not to wear a mask. Lots of echo on this topic, from all sides.

I have no independent basis for saying if masks and social distancing help slow transmission, like you I just know what I’ve been told. Similarly I don’t have any independent basis for saying if the goal of slowing transmission is beneficial either to me as an individual or to society, like you I take the statistics and conclusions that are presented, try to read between the lines, and end up with something that supports the position I wanted to take from the beginning.

I will hypothesize that a rigorous risk analysis would show that a rational person would, at this time, elect to wear a mask before electing to carry a firearm.
 
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