It took 'em 4 days to go WROL

Good luck to those looters piled on the trucks and hauled away...:( probably not going to end well for them!
 
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Counterproductive to loot a store for food and then destroy food in the process.
 
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And we're told a majority of Millenials in the US are in favor of socialism!
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Dont believe the hype, there are a TON of conservative kids out there. A TON.

Actually, the more we see this on the news (and we watch a news program many days so they can see what's happening in the country and world), the more they realize how messed up socialism and communism is!
 
Someone posted a comment somewhere, I don't think here. I think on another forum's political section that was spot on. It said something like this...

The reason us older farts rail against socialism, communism, and all its variants is because we remember the wall falling in Berlin 30 years ago. We remember the news of the tyranny, pictures of empty shelves in the markets, the poverty...

Today's young people born in the 90's were born just a decade prior to the financial collapse of 2008. They saw the ugly underbelly of capitalism at its worst.

I think this explains a lot of what we are seeing in the news today.
 
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Someone posted a comment somewhere, I don't think here. I think on another forum's political section that was spot on...

The reason us older farts rail against socialism, communism, and all its variants is because we remember the wall falling in Berlin 30 years ago. We remember the news of the tyranny, pictures of empty shelves in the markets, the poverty...

Today's young people born in the 90's were born just a decade prior to the financial collapse of 2008. They saw the ugly underbelly of capitalism at its worst.

I think this explains a lot of what we are seeing in the news today.
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What, they don't have history books any more?
 
HMP said:
Dont believe the hype, there are a TON of conservative kids out there. A TON.

Actually, the more we see this on the news (and we watch a news program many days so they can see what's happening in the country and world), the more they realize how messed up socialism and communism is!
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Hype? LOL, I don't think so. Google "millenials" and "socialism" and you'll find articles/polls/studies going back to at least 2016 which claim that 51+% of millenials now favor socialism over capitalism. Heck, there was one of those articles on drudge's home page earlier today. There may be tons of conservative kids where you're from, but they're in the minority compared to the rest of the country.
 
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Hype? LOL, I don't think so. Google "millenials" and "socialism" and you'll find articles/polls/studies going back to at least 2016 which claim that 51+% of millenials now favor socialism over capitalism. Heck, there was one of those articles on drudge's home page earlier today. There may be tons of conservative kids where you're from, but they're in the minority compared to the rest of the country.
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Honest question - how many polls do you take part in?
How many polls said Trump had no chance?

My point in simple - polls/reports etc arent always accurate or include everyone.
Youre right, maybe my blinders are on due to my location, but I have a hard time believing a majority are pro-socialism.
 
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What, they don't have history books any more?
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Hey, brother, I don't make the news. I just read it. ;)

I thought that explanation of how a whole generation might feel the way they do made a lot of sense. Doesn't make it right, but at least adds some level of explanation to the otherwise inexplicable.
If somebody has a better explanation I am all ears.
 
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This is the deepening of socialism that Maduro referred to a few years back. Now the genocide can commence as planned
 
So it seems the question becomes it is better to fight and die when you are fat, happy and strong, or wait until the commies starve and disarm you for years? :confused:
 
fieldgrade said:
Hey, brother, I don't make the news. I just read it. ;)

I thought that explanation of how a whole generation might feel the way they do made a lot of sense. Doesn't make it right, but at least adds some level of explanation to the otherwise inexplicable.
If somebody has a better explanation I am all ears.
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We're told people think history began when they were born; I guess there may be something to it. But Dear God, every damned thing I've experienced in my long and misspent life has reinforced the notion that free markets, personal responsibility and minimal government produce the best results. Nothing else even comes close. How can people miss this if they have eyes? I blame the public education system and the people who voted for those school boards. Don't get me started...
 
Red Marley said:
We're told people think history began when they were born; I guess there may be something to it. But Dear God, every damned thing I've experienced in my long and misspent life has reinforced the notion that free markets, personal responsibility and minimal government produce the best results. Nothing else even comes close. How can people miss this if they have eyes? I blame the public education system and the people who voted for those school boards. Don't get me started...
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My youngest son (just graduated from business school magna cum laude) had to write a screed on why he "strongly supports free markets" in a scholarship application to one of the UNC campuses.

He did an outstanding job of being an apologist for capitalism in his answer.

That said, the question was asked in this context...

" Do you have a strong opinion about free markets?"

"If NO, click to next question"
If YES, please explain your position in 600 words or less in the space provided"

I counseled my son that it might be a trap, being a liberal public university and all, but it was a question from the business school. My own father ran into a "trap" question like this at UNC Chapel Hill in the early fifties, so this is not new.

My son's campus replied months later as scheduled with a form letter making some reference to the the diverse nature of all their applicants and why he wasn't receiving a scholarship (even though he ultimately graduated with a 3.87 GPA).

Hmmmmmm
 
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It always the US’s fault.
The world blames us for everything but then spend their lives trying to get here.

Sorry, we locked the doors, no room left.
 
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I really don't want to sound like the crusty old guy at the end of the bar, but people who haven't lived long enough to experience life don't have enough information to make good decisions, especially if they've been mis-educated. We've had it so good for so long, longer than many voters have lived, that they think our way of life is the natural order of things and will go on forever. It isn't.

I hope today's urban young people learn faster than the older ones shuffle off the planet, because if they don't, they will be shocked at how quickly the wheels come off. So far they seem unwilling to learn from what's right in front of them. I'm kinda glad I'm on the downhill side.
 
This is corruption at work, not socialism.

To be clear I am not a fan of socialism, not even the current American version. Capitalism and free markets are my preferred system.

BUT: Given Venezuela's natural resources socialism should have thrived. There is plenty of wealth to distribute... so where's it all going?
 
RM
Your exactly right kids now days have every thing handed to em on a silver platter all they have to say is I want it and mom and dad give it to em. There is no working for it like me and most of you on here did we learn to appreciate
things a lot more when you have to earn it.
 
It is a manufactured crisis, really it is. The daughter of Hugo Chavez is worth approx. $4 Billion USD not Bolivars.
 
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Red Marley said:
What, they don't have history books any more?
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Like..,real ones or the ones they put in schools?
Catfish said:
Given Venezuela's natural resources socialism should have thrived. There is plenty of wealth to distribute... so where's it all going?
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My guess it's going to Moscow in the shape of a pallet with gold bars on it.
 
Books? That's so nostalgic :)

It's not about what history they've seen watered down on the web, it's about what they've personally witnessed/experienced. And we aren't seeing a whole lot about Venezuela in the media.

Red Marley said:
What, they don't have history books any more?
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Darkhorse said:
RM
Your exactly right kids now days have every thing handed to em on a silver platter all they have to say is I want it and mom and dad give it to em. There is no working for it like me and most of you on here did we learn to appreciate
things a lot more when you have to earn it.
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So why did mom and dad decide to do that?
What the the Baby Boomer generation do differently that made them want to spoil their kids like that?
 
fieldgrade said:
Hey, brother, I don't make the news. I just read it. ;)

I thought that explanation of how a whole generation might feel the way they do made a lot of sense. Doesn't make it right, but at least adds some level of explanation to the otherwise inexplicable.
If somebody has a better explanation I am all ears.
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If one looks at the failures of AmeriKan crony capitalism and filters it through the lens of the millennials and projects what they see going forward, it becomes easy to see why they want to scrap the system in exchange for socialism.
 
Catfish said:
This is corruption at work, not socialism.
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Ah yes but the two go hand in hand. In every system where everyone has been equal, some have always been more equal than others. USSR, China, NoKo, Cuba, Venezuela.....always the people at the top get rich off the backs of their comrades.
 
HMP said:
So why did mom and dad decide to do that?
What the the Baby Boomer generation do differently that made them want to spoil their kids like that?
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I think baby boomer generation represented a shift in the way US parents raised their kids. I can think of a million reasons why, but there's not enough time/space here to go into it. I do remember growing up as a child of the boomer generation that I heard so many of them say so many times, "I want my kids to have it better than I did".
 
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BUT: Given Venezuela's natural resources socialism should have thrived. There is plenty of wealth to distribute... so where's it all going?
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I think this quote from Thomas Sowell sums up the answer to this pretty well..........

“The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.”

― Thomas Sowell
 
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Catfish said:
This is corruption at work, not socialism.

To be clear I am not a fan of socialism, not even the current American version. Capitalism and free markets are my preferred system.

BUT: Given Venezuela's natural resources socialism should have thrived. There is plenty of wealth to distribute... so where's it all going?
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What is the difference between corruption and socialism in practice? :D
 
@rantingredneck That doesn't explain anything... Capitalism shares that trait.

And socialism works well enough in places you didn't mention

For the record I don't like socialism and I very much prefer free market Capitalism. I just don't buy the "Socialism Bad" trope w.r.t. Venezuela because I think they are failing for other reasons. Mainly a corrupt authoritarian government.
 
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Capitalism (not corporatism) allows for the free exchange of goods and services and the opportunity to advance your financial standing through labor and exchange.
Socialism by it's very nature is a command economy. It is force. Full Stop.

With force there will always be someone wielding the levers of said force, and they will not go hungry.

If your assertion that socialism works is based on European/Scandinavian models, that is not socialism. They have robust social welfare programs funded by high taxes on a capitalist system of private enterprise. And many of those programs are starting to fray..... (British healthcare as an example...)
 
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I agree, that capitalism shares the same negative trait. Ok, @rantingredneck just posted as I type. Are you saying we have corporatism? Look at "executive" compensation compared to that of the people who actually do the work. These days, with bailouts and other forms of corruption, you can't even honestly say they (executives) take the risk. They'll still take or get theirs and screw thousands of workers in the process.

Socialism only works in a very homogenous society, like Sweden prior to importation of all those African savages. It won't work here.

Nazi Germany was a cross between capitalism and socialism, in that private industry, profit, investment, etc were all good things but the company needed to benefit the realm and the people too. Profit alone, for the individual, wasn't enough.

It became a power house that almost conquered the industrialized world.
 
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rantingredneck said:
With force there will always be someone wielding the levers of said force, and they will not go hungry.
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again... how is that different than what we have today in America? I still haven't heard anything to support the argument that socialism is ruining Venezuela. I see it as the tool, not the cause.

Again: I don't like or want socialism. I like free markets and capitalism. and honest debates.
 
rantingredneck said:
Socialism by it's very nature is a command economy. It is force. Full Stop.
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I think you're mistaken there... The only difference between what we have right now in America and "true socialism" is the tax rate. We're livin' the dream since FDR and The New Deal.

Again: I don't like or want socialism. I like free markets and capitalism.
 
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HMP said:
Honest question - how many polls do you take part in?
How many polls said Trump had no chance?

My point in simple - polls/reports etc arent always accurate or include everyone.
Youre right, maybe my blinders are on due to my location, but I have a hard time believing a majority are pro-socialism.
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Short answer, it depends. Overall Americans aren't warm on socialism: https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...ity-of-americans-say-the-would-not-vote-for-a

Young people like AOC, Bernie, etc., and as a demographic, they are warm to socialism: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-warming-to-socialism-over-capitalism-polls-show

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-pol...ism-b051907a-87a8-4f61-9e6e-0db75f7edc4a.html

Not just Millennials and Gen Z, but Democrats in general: https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/democrats-positive-socialism-capitalism.aspx

I think we are a long way from Venezuela. Like, not even in the starting gate. BUT....the fact that people vote for Bernie, AOC, et al., and the growing voting bloc of the demographic who support those people and those ideas, it's only going to get legs and grow.

Definitive, no. A warning sign, most definitively.
 
Catfish said:
again... how is that different than what we have today in America? I still haven't heard anything to support the argument that socialism is ruining Venezuela. I see it as the tool, not the cause.

Again: I don't like or want socialism. I like free markets and capitalism. and honest debates.
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When Hugo Chavez took over control of Venezuela's economy, he literally walked around Caracas with cameras in tow naming the private industries and businesses that the state would be taking over.

When Trump, Pelosi, AOC, Bernie, whoever the idiot of the day is, starts doing that and actually pulls it off. You'll be right.
 
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