Joe Biden’s Gun Agenda Could Cost AR-15 Owners $3.6 Billion in Taxes for Guns They Already Own

BloodRunsThicker said:
Just shoot them in the leg while using said AR. (Does that make them less evil guns?)
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medially, higher up in the leg where the leg meets the groin. much harder to stop the bleeding or get a TQ in place.
don't blame me for human anatomy. i didn't design it.
 
The last I checked assault weapons bans and magazine limits have withstood legal challenges to their constitutionality. I don't expect that to change.

I expect that a universal background law which prohibited any private sales would pass muster in the eyes of the court as well.

What apparently has changed or soon will is the ability for every gun manufacturer to be sued every time some one gets shot with their gun.

Technically the only laws that are unconstitutional are those laws the court deems are unconstitutional.

I'm not sure where the court stands on leg shooting.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
You do realize that california actually passed gun requirements that are impossible to comply with, and the court let it stand all the way up through the CA SC, right?
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Yep, it's like people keep thinking these 'government programs' have to work, or be feasible to implement, or have any measurable results or return in money spent. Once you get over that thinking, then life gets easier.
 
Brian K said:
Even if it does pass, just say no.


That's just as retarded now as it was the first time some liberal waste of oxygen first thought it up. Can you imagine what would happen if manufacturers were suddenly accountable for how their products were used - or abused? Autos, tobacco, alcohol, tools, aircraft, DRUGS?
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That's exactly why companies hire the best lawyers available, writing hold harmless clauses in contracts, forming LLC companies (limited liability corp) , et al. Negligence is sometimes deliberated six ways from sunday.

I have an uncomfortable feeling going forward, that lots of private citizens will need the best lawyers available. The cops are laying the groundwork here in defending themselves.
 
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Jayne said:
Yep, it's like people keep thinking these 'government programs' have to work, or be feasible to implement, or have any measurable results or return in money spent. Once you get over that thinking, then life gets easier.
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They tell us the programs failed because they did not do it the right way, Socialism failed because it was not Democratic Socialism. o_O
 
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California instituted an on-line registration scheme for 'assault rifles' and I can see the same thing happening with Biden's plan. They can make a distinct NFA category for semi-auto arms and charge a nominal fee of $5 or $10 per firearm. For magazines, they could register each one by manufacturer and description and issue a stick on serial number for each magazine. California's system was done with pictures and filling out an on-line form. Anyone registering a firearm that didn't meet the registration criteria got a visit from CA DOJ agents.

I'm not saying I agree with any of this, just saying it is doable if the democrats want to push it and use up their political capital.
 
rufrdr said:
California instituted an on-line registration scheme for 'assault rifles' and I can see the same thing happening with Biden's plan. They can make a distinct NFA category for semi-auto arms and charge a nominal fee of $5 or $10 per firearm. For magazines, they could register each one by manufacturer and description and issue a stick on serial number for each magazine. California's system was done with pictures and filling out an on-line form. Anyone registering a firearm that didn't meet the registration criteria got a visit from CA DOJ agents.

I'm not saying I agree with any of this, just saying it is doable if the democrats want to push it and use up their political capital.
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
 
bondjamesbond said:
So it's not about the money.
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They don't need to get your money this way, they'll just raise taxes and take it directly from your paycheck. No need for you to figure out how to get a money order to pay for some lame .gov registration scheme.
 
This coming from a window licker, who went on national TV, advising America to give up their dangerous semi automatic weapons in favor of double barrel shotguns. Then doubling down on the stupid and advising them to, in a time of need, to run outside and illegally empty them into the air, rendering them useless.

Yeah. Like I'm going to listen to anything that knuckle dagger has to say.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Most of the proposed control is going to depend on which parties control the House and Senate. I really think this is more important than the who is elected President.
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When Trump took over he had Both. Controlled Executive and Legislative branches. The Swampers were so pissed that he won they didn't help him do crap. So now with only the Senate at least in this election year They are afraid enough to put on a Show of trying to help us. I hate Democrats and I hate Republicans and I admire Trump for at least getting the Rs to have to pretend they are backing him. I hate these career Weasels worse than I hate China. At least China is always the same. They want to kill us at best and bankrupt us at least.
Please, Lord let me wake up the day After the election and all my fellow forum members on here say Look Billy You Were Worried For Nothing!!!
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
When Trump took over he had Both. Controlled Executive and Legislative branches. The Swampers were so pissed that he won they didn't help him do crap. So now with only the Senate at least in this election year They are afraid enough to put on a Show of trying to help us. I hate Democrats and I hate Republicans and I admire Trump for at least getting the Rs to have to pretend they are backing him. I hate these career Weasels worse than I hate China. At least China is always the same. They want to kill us at best and bankrupt us at least.
Please, Lord let me wake up the day After the election and all my fellow forum members on here say Look Billy You Were Worried For Nothing!!!
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Tell it, brother!
 
B00ger said:
Half of us dont even know all we got, so sure as heck no way the government going to magically figure it out.
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showed a good friend my safe yesterday. he said "looking kind of full, you need another one"
"the other one is in the other room, it looks the same"
I wouldn't bet all my guns on being able to remember all my guns.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Please, Lord let me wake up the day After the election and all my fellow forum members on here say Look Billy You Were Worried For Nothing!!!
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I don't have a flag pole yet, but i'm thinking of putting one up just so i can fly a flag upside down if things go south.
 
The gun laws that Biden & Harris plan on cramming down the American people’s throats will only affect the “sheep” that choose to accept them, that will be for each and every one of us to decide, but without getting into specifics on an open forum, I will say this.

If the “government” chooses to make me choose between “dying on my feet or living on me knees” I will plan accordingly, no, I am not suggesting that I am a “Billy bad ass” or an elite mall ninja, but if I’m going to be deemed a criminal by the very system that is supposed to preserve my God given rights to own & bare arms, I may as well go do criminal shit, and maybe, just maybe others will feel the same way and I won’t stand alone.
 
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I have said this time and time again.
Take any of your guns. Place them in the middle of an empty room. Lay your ammo next to it and a mag if it requires one. LOCK the door and seal the door.
No matter how long it lays in that room it will NOT get up, load it's self and do harm to any one.
Add a bow and arrows, large knife, axe, baseball bat a sword and a rock and all the items will be there in 1000's years or more if not disturbed by the hand of a human being and they will hurt NO ONE! If ALL human beings suddenly disappeared tomorrow, how long would they lay there.

So the point is all these are tools to accomplish a job. How they are used is the responsibility of the Human Being using that tool. NOT the Tool.
So to hold Winchester responsible for the misuse of a rifle they manufactured is as ridiculous as suing a company because you hit yourself in the foot with an axe, or cut yourself with a knife while cutting an onion while making dinner.

It comes down to this, human beings do Stupid things and hurt themselves and others, and you can't fix Stupid. Human beings do evil things for many reasons. Human beings have found ways through history to kill other human beings with more efficiency as time has gone by. Human beings are responsible for their own actions.

So the conclusion is PEOPLE kill PEOPLE and THEMSELVES, Not weapons, not tools.
 
If he were to pull a stunt like that, then I guess there's no incentive NOT to convert the lowers to accommodate a DIAS. $200 is $200, with all the same paperwork, right?

In the immortal words of Robert A. Heinlein (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress):

"I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
 
Hammer21b said:
Never! Have you seen them take up a 2A case lately?
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And then the lower court ruling stands and the family/friends/dogs/uncles etc. of anyone shot by a gun may now sure the manufacturer.

Product liability lawsuits of gun manufacturers seem a much bigger and more viable threat to 2A rights then a tax that may never see the light of day.

In fact I'm beginning to think the whole point of that provision is to make people forget how horrid and more likely to get congressional approval the rest of the proposals are.
 
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The point is to either intimidate or bankrupt AR15 and other type of MSR manufacturers to take those firearms off the market. Intimidate the manufacturers with the threat of endless legal action with the full financial resources of local and state DAs into stopping the civilian sale and bankrupt those who don't go along. Couple that with the import ban that the democrats are pushing and the supply of new ARs and replacement parts dries up. Did I mention the firearms precursor legislation that the democrats are embracing? Anything that can be used to partially or fully assemble a firearm will have to go through an FFL
 
bondjamesbond said:
It would cost more to implement this "program" and enforce it than it could ever bring in.
So it's not about the money.
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Gun control has never been about money. It's always been about control...power.

In the world of politics, just the subject of gun control conveys immense political power to politicians, and on both sides of the issue.

Just like abortion and just like illegal aliens.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
When Trump took over he had Both. Controlled Executive and Legislative branches. The Swampers were so pissed that he won they didn't help him do crap. So now with only the Senate at least in this election year They are afraid enough to put on a Show of trying to help us. I hate Democrats and I hate Republicans and I admire Trump for at least getting the Rs to have to pretend they are backing him. I hate these career Weasels worse than I hate China. At least China is always the same. They want to kill us at best and bankrupt us at least.
Please, Lord let me wake up the day After the election and all my fellow forum members on here say Look Billy You Were Worried For Nothing!!!
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I've written a letter or two to representatives explaining how this constituent views things with respect to the behavior of my representatives.

I vote for representatives who most closely match up with my views, fully understanding that there's no way any representative will align with mine (and millions of of others at the same time) on everything. But there are core issues on which I brook little deviation from my own, if continued support from me is desired.

And I take an exceptionally dim view of flip-flopping or wishy-washy behavior on some issues.

I fully expect candidates who don't align with my own views to conduct themselves accordingly. However, the difference between an opposing candidate and a candidate I support is this: Whereas I fully expect to be gut-stabbed right up front from an opposing candidate, I do NOT expect to be BACKSTABBED from the one I support.

Which means this:

If I'm going to be stabbed by a representative, then I'd MUCH prefer it to be from someone from whom I KNOW it's coming from and NOT the result of backstabbing by someone who is SUPPOSED to be supporting my views.

SO...either change your ways or I'll work to vote your *ss out of office even if it means voting the opposition into it to accomplish it.

At least I'll know it's coming and will be able to better prepare myself to deal with it.
 
If they make AR pistols into AOW's, I want a 195$ rebate on the AR pistol I had SBR'd
 
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JohnFreeman said:
If they make AR pistols into AOW's, I want a 195$ rebate on the AR pistol I had SBR'd
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What $195 rebate? Same $200 to make an AOW as it is to make an SBR. 🤪
 
BigWaylon said:
What $195 rebate? Same $200 to make an AOW as it is to make an SBR. 🤪
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Question - an SOT doesn't have to pay the tax, right?
So if your buddy is an SOT, they can do it for free and you pay $5 transfer instead of @200 creation?
But then they don't pre-apply like you do - they'd have to do the work, file the registration, and then have you apply for transfer and hold it in their possession for a year or so?
how does all that work?
 
DrScaryGuy said:
Question - an SOT doesn't have to pay the tax, right?
So if your buddy is an SOT, they can do it for free and you pay $5 transfer instead of @200 creation?
But then they don't pre-apply like you do - they'd have to do the work, file the registration, and then have you apply for transfer and hold it in their possession for a year or so?
how does all that work?
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Correct. With the proper licensing, they could create an AOW and transfer it to you for $5.

wait is running about 6 months for most people right now, but yeah...
 
BigWaylon said:
Correct. With the proper licensing, they could create an AOW and transfer it to you for $5.

wait is running about 6 months for most people right now, but yeah...
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so your toys are taking up their valuable floor space that should be making them $X / sqft / per day. and you can't borrow it back home because it's still a registered NFA... laws are dumb.
 
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