Julie Golob: Barriers to Shooting Competition Too High

Interesting article, and the comparison to Crossfit was a good one. The cost comparison had them pretty close after things were added up. I feel that one of the big hurdles is getting people that would be interested to participate in their first few matches. After that they could determine if the cost of the sport is worth it.
 
I've been a fan of Julie for a while. Follow her on Facebook, even exchanged emails once. So she is ok in my book.

That said, I agree with her for the most part. But one issue is that in most locations venue is in short supply. Most sports, even casual ones, can be picked up just about anywhere. Golf courses, golf ranges, soccer fields, even fishing ponds and lakes are in pretty high availability. But many shooters just don't have easy access to shooting ranges, much less shooting ranges that host matches of any source.

Here in Winston the closest place that offers matches is PHA, and that's a solid 45. Pro-Shots does have some pistol matches, but even that is limited by space.

Where I will politely disagree with her is to the nature of the competitors. Every sport I have ever been involved in, even remotely, has snob. Whether they be "skill" snobs or "gear" snobs. But from my experience at the matches that I have attended is that the vast majority of competitors would give you the shirt off the ROs back if you needed it.

This may change the further up the "skill" level goes when it gets into area and national championships and the like...but those aren't designed for newbies anyway.




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Interesting article but I feel she has overlooked a few key points:

  1. Not everybody wants to compete or participate in an organized event/activity.
  2. Even lowering or nearly removing all financial and social barriers of entry to shooting sports, it will still be competing with all other leisure and Life activities. We all only have so much "free" time in our day/week
 
I think she's spot on. I would add that the worst part is matches take FOREVER.

A reason I dont do more, it just eats up so much of the day
 
A reason I dont do more, it just eats up so much of the day

How late do yours normally go? The matches I've shot (and I'll admit my exposure isn't all that great) have typically ended around noonish... any further time was due to travel or hanging out afterward, which is optional if time is a factor.

TBH, the convenience of having one close by rather than having to travel for one is a huge difference-maker for me, particularly when that aspect starts to push the time limitations.
 
I don't think it's a shock to anyone who shoots matches regularly that matches are unwelcoming to newbies, take a long time, and have complicated rules. Yet most of them fill up anyway.

Why post signs directing new folks in when the tent is already full? Most clubs that host matches don't have capacity to host more. Most regions around here don't have the room to open more clubs. The clubs that do exist and are profit driven can get more money for those days by being open to the public.

CrossFit can open a new box in every strip mall in America. We can't do that with shooting ranges. The closest thing is new indoor ranges and I wonder how they come out financially on matches. Blackstone in Charlotte offers some hope but I don't know anything about whether they make money vs having the bay open to the public.

New shooters get the shaft because there are no incentives to smooth their path in to the sport. Until the incentives change, the downstream consequences will remain the same.
 
I haven't shot competitions too long, and sanctioned only about eight months.

The only parallel to crossfit is both are things people do.

The outspoken part of the public hates ranges. The media mostly hates guns. You can open a gym in almost any vacant space with near zero complaints or political opposition. My drag racing buddies complain about having to travel all over to play too, I think motorsports have more parallels than crossfit.

What slowed me jumping into sanctioned matches? Exposure, finding them required scouring the internet, then figuring out how to sign up. Oh and getting signed up in minutes cause they fill fast as any concert, so not a whole lot of incentive to advertise and risk scrutiny.

When I got there no one welcomed me, I didn't care. A guy did see I was lost and got me straightened out, I thanked him. No one patted my back or praised my mediocre performance, I don't want them to. IMO that nonsense is killing America, people fail, competition exposes that most people suck, that is a hard pill for many to swallow most won't even try. On the flip side no one put me down, or gave me any impression I shouldn't come back, some have given me pointers here and there. I am not really outgoing, especially in the morning, so I'm sure I seem like a snob/prick/elitist or whatever to some folks.

Expense? Yeah ammo is a consumable and they don't give it away. Any stock mid/fullsize auto that isn't a 1911 is a competitive gun for Production or SSP, most "gun people" have one of those. So they need a holster, some pouches, and maybe 2 or 3 more mags, oh my.

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I can only speak to registered trap, registered sporting clays, and IDPA. (Note: eye and ear protection are need for all the shooting sports.)

Registered trap is fun. You get into a zen-like cadence shooting with a good squad. However, I was always worried about distracting other shooters on my squad. Trap shooters are mostly older, white, crotchety and overweight. (One of the tag lines in discussions about trap shooters goes "Eat your way to AA," which is the highest class in trap.) A registered shoot of singles, handicap and doubles can take all day, fees over $100 and 300 shells about $72. Guns range from a $500 870 trap model to specialty single-barrel trap guns well over $10,000. Trap is hard to shoot with a field gun, and a pump is hard to shoot for doubles. But the $500 870-TB trap model would serve one for a long time in singles and handicap, and won many a national shoot.

Registered sporting clays is fun and challenging. Many events are shot as "score your own," where you shoot in squads, somebody pulls the birds and somebody else scores, with help from the whole squad. There can be disagreements about lost or dead birds, timing of pulls, other rules issues, etc. Still the same demographic as trap. A 100 bird event runs $40 to $70, with a $10 break if there is a second 100 bird afternoon event. Add $24 per hundred for the cost of ammo. My preferred squad is breaking down because A doesn't want to shoot with B, B doesn't like C, and on and on. Guns range from inexpensive field guns to Krieghoffs and Perazzis costing well in excess of $10,000, and can go over $20,000 with expensive engraving. Many active shooters have carts to ride, and it takes a good truck to haul the cart and trailer.

IDPA has seemed like a younger, more inclusive crowd. It generally costs $20 to shoot, plus $20 +/- worth of ammo. A decent pistol can be had for $500, a used one for less. You need a good holster, and you're good to go. I've shot 5 matches, and have yet to see disagreement or disgruntlement. The shoots can be a little slow and time-consuming, with a lot of standing around and waiting to shoot, though helping paste up breaks the monotony.

These are my thoughts, and except for trap and clays, I don't have enough experience to comment more.
 
Until the past 7/8 years I have shot competitions all of my adult life. Skeet, trap, handgun and rifle. About 8 to 10 years ago there was a dramatic shift in the field of competitors and the venues. I always viewed the handgun comps as good training for the everyday carrying of a handgun for self defense purposes, and the flying sports as good practice for actual field hunting.

And then came the rule snobs. They felt like there wasn't enough rules and they weren't strict enough so here we go. It's gotten to the point that (as was mentioned before) the time required to cover all of the rules has become a burden. More so in handgun sports than anywhere else. Basically the rules (and the minutia thereof) have killed the spirit.

The flying target sports have pretty much remained basically the same (with minor tweaks) but Sporting Clay tournaments have gotten out of hand. Some of the target setters must think a shotgun is a damned rifle! The last SC shoot I attended had about 30% of the shots out of shotgun range. I wouldn't pull the trigger on a real bird at that distance so why set a target there?

Basically we have done this to ourselves, allowed rule changes that serve no real purpose except to add the already burdensome course of fire. Round counts have gone up (cost) number of guns has increased (3 gun) (cost) and things have gotten less safe. We have 3 gun at RCWA and there isn't a single time that there aren't several rounds leaving the bays due to increased need for speed. I have stopped going to the skeet fields on the days when they shoot 3 gun for that very reason.

These thoughts are mine and mine alone. You may not agree but these are my observations and actions.
 
My competitive experience is limited to skeet shooting and IDPA and I have always found the clubs and competitions welcoming. Maybe the USPSA shooters are different, but I doubt it.

I agree that it is difficult for the uninitiated to find the sanctioned matches . I also agree that the matches take a long time. For that reason my son and I have taken to shooting local matches more often. Usually this is an all day affair that begins with an hour and half to two hour drive, shooting, a meal, and then return. All in, about 8-9 hours, but I have played rounds of golf that take that long, and I won't even talk about my other son's baseball tournaments. If it is rewarding enough, then time is less of an issue.

Her comments on virtual matches is very interesting to me. In tournament baseball, teams play at multiple venues in the same tournament. That should certainly be possible in shooting, given the new scoring software and the ability to use the internet to collect scores. The only problem then becomes layouts, equipment and range space range to range.

Maybe the shooting associations should spend a little more time working with clubs to establish standard equipment lists and other minimum criteria that would accommodate virtual matches and provide club sanctioning at different levels based on their ability to participate in different levels of events. In this manner shooters could compete in a tournament at their local club, or a more local club.

There are of course issues with this like backgrounds, weather, terrain, etc., that nothing can be done about, but her idea is thought provoking.
 
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Hmmm. If this is her appeal to design a new Shooting sport for new people....I like that idea in theory. But in practice, there is simply not enough range space available currently.
 
Hmmm. If this is her appeal to design a new Shooting sport for new people....I like that idea in theory. But in practice, there is simply not enough range space available currently.

Maybe I can offer an explanation. Club Members are a little more than tired of these matches that only occur on a weekend and occupy most, if not all of the available range space. It has relegated the Members to using lesser ranges (shorter distances and space) if they intend to shoot at all on that day. Since there are only 2 weekend days the member is now effectively shut out on that weekend. It has been my experience that the majority of the participants of these shoots are non members yet allowed to return time and time again without ever committing to becoming a member. The Members have begun to complain to their board of directors about these conditions and the expansion has been slowed.

Members
are what support the facilities and provide the space for these competitions. They provide (through the dues) the maintenance and upkeep that non members enjoy. The Members see this as an infringement on their rights as a dues paying Member. I hear people complain about the cost to join a club and not realize that someone is paying the bill for the facilities they enjoy for practically nothing.

Flame on......
 
Maybe I can offer an explanation. Club Members are a little more than tired of these matches that only occur on a weekend and occupy most, if not all of the available range space. It has relegated the Members to using lesser ranges (shorter distances and space) if they intend to shoot at all on that day. Since there are only 2 weekend days the member is now effectively shut out on that weekend. It has been my experience that the majority of the participants of these shoots are non members yet allowed to return time and time again without ever committing to becoming a member. The Members have begun to complain to their board of directors about these conditions and the expansion has been slowed.

Members
are what support the facilities and provide the space for these competitions. They provide (through the dues) the maintenance and upkeep that non members enjoy. The Members see this as an infringement on their rights as a dues paying Member. I hear people complain about the cost to join a club and not realize that someone is paying the bill for the facilities they enjoy for practically nothing.

Flame on......
So get on the club board and stop the matches.

At many clubs in my area, the matches bring in a decent chunk of change for the club.
 
Meh, super easy to get into competitive shooting and not really more expensive as any other hobby. I've seen guys with 20 guns say they can't afford it, WHILE THEY ARE SHOWING ME A NEW GUN THEY JUST BOUGHT!! Hahahaha! They could easily sell one of those guns and get set up reloading and cut their ammo cost in half, and shoot all they want to. You only need one decent gun to shoot competition with.
A 500$ G17/M&P/poly wondernine can be used in any pistol competition I have ever seen or been to outside of rimfire. You should already have a holster and mag pouches for it.

Haven't seen too many snobs. I have mostly met super generous awesome people shooting. The only "snobs" I see are top shooters at top matches who are interested in one thing: winning. They aren't there to make buddies. They aren't there to field your dumb questions/advice and have chit chats. They have a lot of time and money invested and are not doing it "just for fun". Go to a top golf/tennis/pool tournament and you will see that none of the players want to talk to you there, either! I rarely shoot these types of matches, but when I do I have learned to keep it real, and check myself and respect people.

Don't worry about any of that crap. Don't worry if you think you suck. Come to a match. Forget about winning and make this your goal: be open minded, listen, and have fun. This is how we all learned.
I have made a commitment to myself to help anybody that even shows a little interest, in shooting a match if I can. So, please contact me if you have the desire to shoot a match.

@Diverdad was my latest victim. He mentioned it in passing in a thread (that he was interested in matches) and I then made it my mission to PM him and get him out there. And, despite the fact that he is a very busy guy, he came out, did very well, and had a great time.

I promise you will, too. Your shooting will be improved and you'll find that running around shooting guns is so much funner than pasting up targets and wasting 100 rounds punching holes (You'll start to think of it as wasting, too)!

Plenty of excuses to not do it. But it's really fun and it will teach you a lot of good things about yourself, and will identify some weaknesses, too.

Just my opinions!
 
Maybe I can offer an explanation. Club Members are a little more than tired of these matches that only occur on a weekend and occupy most, if not all of the available range space. It has relegated the Members to using lesser ranges (shorter distances and space) if they intend to shoot at all on that day. Since there are only 2 weekend days the member is now effectively shut out on that weekend. It has been my experience that the majority of the participants of these shoots are non members yet allowed to return time and time again without ever committing to becoming a member. The Members have begun to complain to their board of directors about these conditions and the expansion has been slowed.

Members
are what support the facilities and provide the space for these competitions. They provide (through the dues) the maintenance and upkeep that non members enjoy. The Members see this as an infringement on their rights as a dues paying Member. I hear people complain about the cost to join a club and not realize that someone is paying the bill for the facilities they enjoy for practically nothing.

Flame on......
When I was shooting 2gun and Pistol at PHA they were getting about $300 a year from me, that's more than individual annual dues IIRC.
An 80 competitor match with a $20 entry generates around $1,600, figure what? -$600 monthly for targets, prop maintenance, and the handful of volunteers that get to shoot free or reduced, that's roughly $12k per year at a match a month, decent revenue only sacrificing part of a facility for about 24hrs a month, with several of those hours being non-shooting time. Sure its only a tenth of 800 members paying $150 annually, but it's $12k that doesn't get a vote either. Granted not every match runs 80 or $20, but I doubt there's many matches out there not making the host club money the members benefit from or running off more members than it gains through the exposure matches give.
 
If clubs would treat the matches as revenue driving events and not use 2 guys to run a whole match and depend on the competitors to "volunteer" to paste and ro squads, things would move better. Allow some members to off set a portion of dues in exchange for hours worked. Staff the match like an event with each stage having workers to run the stage and you can move more people through quicker. Example instead of pasting then grabbing your stuff and meandering to the next stage, you shoot and move. Keep it flowing. I would gladly join a club and work my ass off to offset some of my costs. If you can move more people through in less time, that frees the range up quicker and generates revenue. Example. If my work offsets 50$ in dues and i move 1 squad of 5 extra theough 1 match. Thats a 100$. Seems like a good deal for me and the club. Thats how we used to do it at my old club in maryland.
 
It's been great to see the uptick in competitive shooting at the local ranges. Rowan County Wildlife has a strong history of promoting the shooting sports by hosting multiple styles of competitions and as a member I encourage it.

What we really need:
More photographers at matches please!

And, if you can photoshop out beer bellies, all the better!
 
Maybe I can offer an explanation. Club Members are a little more than tired of these matches that only occur on a weekend and occupy most, if not all of the available range space. It has relegated the Members to using lesser ranges (shorter distances and space) if they intend to shoot at all on that day. Since there are only 2 weekend days the member is now effectively shut out on that weekend. It has been my experience that the majority of the participants of these shoots are non members yet allowed to return time and time again without ever committing to becoming a member. The Members have begun to complain to their board of directors about these conditions and the expansion has been slowed.

Members
are what support the facilities and provide the space for these competitions. They provide (through the dues) the maintenance and upkeep that non members enjoy. The Members see this as an infringement on their rights as a dues paying Member. I hear people complain about the cost to join a club and not realize that someone is paying the bill for the facilities they enjoy for practically nothing.

Flame on......

Your point about people complaining about the cost of joining a club brings up a point, and possibly not in your favor. The person complaining wants to join a club (quite likely) and WANTS to be one of those paying the bill for maintaining the facilities. I have found myself having to make the choice between joining a club, and not being able to afford the cost of competition (reloading, travel, time, etc.), or paying for participation in matches (in the hopes that enough other people participate also to make it worthwhile for the club that holds the match to continue doing so). Not to mention the waiting list I am aware of at some clubs. My personal view on the cost of joining a club is that while I know that the cost is necessary to keep the club running and benefit the members, I don't currently have the ability to become a member at any of the clubs that I am near.

On another point, I would imagine that the club members that are tired of the matches do not participate in the matches themselves. I understand that the shooting sports have several different aspects, not to mention that there are various types of hunting, so not everyone will be interested in all of the aspects. I personally have little interest in skeet and trap shooting, but would not begrudge those who do have an interest in same. I would also imagine that aside from USPSA and IDPA type matches, there are youth shooting matches (Boy Scouts, 4H, etc..) that occur on many of these ranges. No one I have met that belongs to a club participates in all of the activities that use the property the club owns. They deal with both those they do and don't participate in.

No flame here....
 
So get on the club board and stop the matches.

At many clubs in my area, the matches bring in a decent chunk of change for the club.

Yeap. The matches are what subsidize the
membership.

One range I visit once a month gets $240.00 a year from me. In return I get less than 5 hours of visitation time and at most 6 minutes of shooting per visit.
 
Meh, super easy to get into competitive shooting and not really more expensive as any other hobby. I've seen guys with 20 guns say they can't afford it, WHILE THEY ARE SHOWING ME A NEW GUN THEY JUST BOUGHT!! Hahahaha! They could easily sell one of those guns and get set up reloading and cut their ammo cost in half, and shoot all they want to. You only need one decent gun to shoot competition with.
A 500$ G17/M&P/poly wondernine can be used in any pistol competition I have ever seen or been to outside of rimfire. You should already have a holster and mag pouches for it.

Haven't seen too many snobs. I have mostly met super generous awesome people shooting. The only "snobs" I see are top shooters at top matches who are interested in one thing: winning. They aren't there to make buddies. They aren't there to field your dumb questions/advice and have chit chats. They have a lot of time and money invested and are not doing it "just for fun". Go to a top golf/tennis/pool tournament and you will see that none of the players want to talk to you there, either! I rarely shoot these types of matches, but when I do I have learned to keep it real, and check myself and respect people.

Don't worry about any of that crap. Don't worry if you think you suck. Come to a match. Forget about winning and make this your goal: be open minded, listen, and have fun. This is how we all learned.
I have made a commitment to myself to help anybody that even shows a little interest, in shooting a match if I can. So, please contact me if you have the desire to shoot a match.

@Diverdad was my latest victim. He mentioned it in passing in a thread (that he was interested in matches) and I then made it my mission to PM him and get him out there. And, despite the fact that he is a very busy guy, he came out, did very well, and had a great time.

I promise you will, too. Your shooting will be improved and you'll find that running around shooting guns is so much funner than pasting up targets and wasting 100 rounds punching holes (You'll start to think of it as wasting, too)!

Plenty of excuses to not do it. But it's really fun and it will teach you a lot of good things about yourself, and will identify some weaknesses, too.

Just my opinions!
I'm working this weekend but I'm supposed to be off the following 2, I hope.
 
What we really need:
More photographers at matches please!

And, if you can photoshop out beer bellies, all the better!


Haha Rowan usually have 2 or 3 people taking pictures at the USPSA match. My photos normally just add 10pts. to social media classification scores. Unfortunately I don't know how to photoshop or I would probably do it.
 
I don't know Julie well, but at least well enough to say "hi" when I see her at a match or at the SHOT show. I have always seen her and excellent ambassador for shooting sports and a pretty insightful person in the firearms marketing area. I both agree and disagree with the "barrier to entry" arguments. I would like to hear a little more about her proposed solutions to becoming more inclusive.

My take on barriers to entry to most shooting sports (financial and otherwise)
  1. Money: shooting is expensive, but still far less than other hobbies like motorcycles, skiing, boating, bass fishing. Hell, even golf is more expensive.
  2. Ranges: as has been noted previously, building a new range facility is a lot more problematic than building a new bowling alley. Unless you are lucky enough to be a member of a range reasonably near to your home, practice can be difficult. I do not mind driving a couple of hours to shoot a match, but doing that to practice regularly is not practical.
  3. Lack of interest: not all firearms owners are interested in competing, or in shooting, or even gaining in skill with their firearms... owning the gun and holding a CCW is enough for them
  4. Time (or lack thereof): this is tough for most, but shooting doesn't take any more time than any other hobby that one does seriously. Lack of time has certainly cut into my shooting opportunities over the last few years.
  5. Ego: this is a big one for male shooters. We all tend to think that we were born with natural ability to shoot, fight, drive, and lay pipe like a porn-star. It hurts when someone makes it obvious that we weren't. Cops are the world's worst for this attitude!
  6. Intimidation: this is a big one for female shooters. They are just intimidated by the other shooters, and the new environment. This is where basic manners and friendliness of participants is a big help.
  7. Difficulty: if matches were easier, they might attract more shooters... and if marathons weren't so damn long, more people could complete one. I am personally not in favor of "dumbing down" the difficulty level in order to gain participants. I like to do things because they are hard. This might be a place where new shooting sports specifically aimed at lower skill-level shooters would be an asset.
  8. Lack of a mentor: there are a surprising number of people who would like to compete, but need someone to take a little time to explain equipment, rules, and procedures. This is another place where we could improve our efforts.
 
If clubs would treat the matches as revenue driving events and not use 2 guys to run a whole match and depend on the competitors to "volunteer" to paste and ro squads, things would move better. Allow some members to off set a portion of dues in exchange for hours worked. Staff the match like an event with each stage having workers to run the stage and you can move more people through quicker. Example instead of pasting then grabbing your stuff and meandering to the next stage, you shoot and move. Keep it flowing. I would gladly join a club and work my ass off to offset some of my costs. If you can move more people through in less time, that frees the range up quicker and generates revenue. Example. If my work offsets 50$ in dues and i move 1 squad of 5 extra theough 1 match. Thats a 100$. Seems like a good deal for me and the club. Thats how we used to do it at my old club in maryland.
I'm not sure that this would work. I don't see how bringing in staff only would speed up a match enough to offset any money that the staff would need to be paid. You already have RO's on every squad and everybody is already pasting.
 
Any sport competition is expensive. Period. To be competitive you have to be willing to invest tons of time and money. There are people that just do it for fun, they go weekend, after weekend and lose and are happy losing.
But to some people that function sucks, so you either "invest" and up your game or you stop "donating" altogether.
Thats why these things are so cyclical. People get excited and get involved, lose like crazy and give up.
 
I won't try to address all the specific points up to here but I will say that the shooting sports are probably the primary way that we grow interest in and acceptance of shooting in the public at large, because it's FUN (and they saw it on TV!). Not for everyone but enough to make a huge difference. And the demographics at most matches I see are much younger and more diverse than your typical range membership roster. Plus, any practice with marksmanship and gun handling is positive in my book. The club matches and things like rimfire 2gun are very friendly to newer/younger shooters, and much less intimidating than "real guns".

Yes, matches take range time, and ranges are in short supply.

WE WON'T GET MORE RANGES AND WE WILL LOSE OUR 2A RIGHTS IF GRUMPY OLD MEN RUN EVERYONE ELSE OFF "THEIR" RANGES UNTIL THEY ALL DIE OFF!!!

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If clubs would treat the matches as revenue driving events and not use 2 guys to run a whole match and depend on the competitors to "volunteer" to paste and ro squads, things would move better. Allow some members to off set a portion of dues in exchange for hours worked. Staff the match like an event with each stage having workers to run the stage and you can move more people through quicker. Example instead of pasting then grabbing your stuff and meandering to the next stage, you shoot and move. Keep it flowing. I would gladly join a club and work my ass off to offset some of my costs. If you can move more people through in less time, that frees the range up quicker and generates revenue. Example. If my work offsets 50$ in dues and i move 1 squad of 5 extra theough 1 match. Thats a 100$. Seems like a good deal for me and the club. Thats how we used to do it at my old club in maryland.
I kind of like this idea. Run it like a golf course either with individuals or sets of participants. A ranger at every hole and "caddies" to take care of the minutiae.

If I could go out and run through in an hour or even play a couple rounds that would be cool. Then drinks at the clubhouse!
 
I kind of like this idea. Run it like a golf course either with individuals or sets of participants. A ranger at every hole and "caddies" to take care of the minutiae.

If I could go out and run through in an hour or even play a couple rounds that would be cool. Then drinks at the clubhouse!
Well not quite that luxiourious. For a pistol match for example. Have a guy on the timer, a safety guy to give the stage brief, write down the score and herd cattle. You have one other person that floats between say 2 stages that are close by. The squad carries the score sheet to the stage. When a shooter is done the timer guy does the score. He is the only one to score. He calls it out. Then 2 guys paste up real quick. If your the first shooter your stuff is ready to go before the last guy shoots. After the last guy shoots, he packs up and you guys head to the next stage. No milling around, no bs. The shooters stay engaged and on point. The workers work and shooters shoot. Combine that with smart squad building and a match can roll fairly fast.
 
I'm not sure that this would work. I don't see how bringing in staff only would speed up a match enough to offset any money that the staff would need to be paid. You already have RO's on every squad and everybody is already pasting.
Get the shooters away from pasting or scoring or any of that. They shoot and keep their gear together and ready to move. Get everybody accustomed to a brisk pace and it flows. Kinda like golf, i suck at golf but i play fast. It can be done. I have seen matches run at a good pace where everybody has fun and gets done by lunch.
 
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