Keep it simple

[dadebonz1]

I was brought up on the basics;single shot 22l,single shot shot 12 ga.. The Marines introduced me to the ,M16A1the 45 cal pistol,M60,and 50 cal M2. I have owned a Remington 270 for deer,a 12 ga. for small game etc. I just gone down the rabbit hole with "modern" arms. I have a Keltec Su16A a rossi rs 22,and a "home defense shotgun. I have been following this forum and others. My main question is all the ad ons for an ar-15 etc. Why do people on youtube rag on one firearm or another. To me if you are familiar with your weapon its all good. Its like adding all the bells and whistles to a pick up. Are any of the accouterments really helpful? No judgement just curios.

 

[CHRIS_WNC]

There is a lot of money to be made in the gun garnish industry.
Most of it is absolutely not required. Some of it is actually useful.

I like simple for some stuff. I like high tech for others.

CHRIS

 

[Catfish]

You have to ask before you add anything 'did I see the need first or did I see the gizmo first?'

 

[dadebonz1]

There is a lot of money to be made in the gun garnish industry.
Most of it is absolutely not required. Some of it is actually useful.

I like simple for some stuff. I like high tech for others.

CHRIS

So I noticed alot of money. foward stocks, lights,lasers, pistol grips etc. The gun garnish industry;I like that. Sometimes I think all the stuff is a crutch for lack of true marksmanship IMHO

 

[dadebonz1]

ts been 20yrs since I purchased a firearm. My 270 with a plain 3x9 scope was about as high tech as I could afford. Now T can't pick out a scope. It is fun though. I'm way down the rabit hole not for accesories but for riffles,and When I get my permit a side arm or two. I had a Roger redhawk in 357.

 

[NCFubar]

To me the only things an AR needs is good sights (BUIS and/or red dot), a reliable weapon mounted light (verify your target) and sling (it’s a holster for a long gun) for weapon retention in various situations. After that I personally feel other “stuff” adds weight and snag points ... but that’s just me.

 

[Jeppo]

I guess I’m in the other camp. I like making a firearm “my own”.

 

[dadebonz1]

your a better man than I am I wouldn't know where to begin looking through. You also must be an animal to tote that thing.

 

[Jeppo]

You also must be an animal to tote that thing.

It was difficult until I modified a camera stabilizing rig.

 

[dadebonz1]

but of course. you use apple products.

 

[Mitch Rapp]

I like that...the gun garnish industry indeed lol.
Personally, I dont see the need for most of that stuff, but who am I to criticize what someone else likes/wants/thinkstheyneed. Their gun, their money, their business.
As far as aftermarket stuff goes, if we're only talkin long guns, thats actually pretty limited for me.
A good optic, buis, and a TacLight. Personally, that's all I think is needed...but I upgrade the trigger in a few as a matter of preference.

 

[dadebonz1]

I like that...the gun garnish industry indeed lol.
Personally, I dont see the need for most of that stuff, but who am I to criticize what someone else likes/wants/thinkstheyneed. Their gun, their money, their business.
As far as aftermarket stuff goes, if we're only talkin long guns, thats actually pretty limited for me.
A good optic, buis, and a TacLight. Personally, that's all I think is needed...but I upgrade the trigger in a few as a matter of preference.

I'm not out to criticize,just wand to know whats going. Is a $3000 AR that much better? I can't see how but would like to know. I'll admit I aquired my present firearms due to semi prepping. I feel what I have is adequate I'm not storming Iwo Jima.

 

[BatteryOaksBilly]

Brownell's makes 1,500 things for an AR..I'm not sure you need them All...Clint Smith

You will fight with what's in it and on it..Clint Smith

Put all the crap you want to on it But remember you gonna have to carry it..Clint Smith

 

[dadebonz1]

Brownell's makes 1,500 things for an AR..I'm not sure you need them All...Clint Smith

You will fight with what's in it and on it..Clint Smith

Put all the crap you want to on it But remember you gonna have to carry it..Clint Smith

Its bewildering for an Iron sight Marine. I hope I never have to fire in anger again;but it seems to be going that way. The reason I have a Keltec? it looks nothing like an AR. Hopefully I'll be incognito for a while.

 

[BatteryOaksBilly]

Its bewildering for an Iron sight Marine.

So's Clint Smith

 

[dadebonz1]

So's Clint Smith

Mr Smith sound like a very reasonable person.

 

[Scrubber3]

I'm not out to criticize,just wand to know whats going. Is a $3000 AR that much better? I can't see how but would like to know. I'll admit I aquired my present firearms due to semi prepping. I feel what I have is adequate I'm not storming Iwo Jima.

The current firearms market is no place to guage actual firearm values. Having said that, a cheap AR isn't something I'd trust when I need it most because I've gone down that rabbit hole. The current ARs i own are a BCM RECCE with a Trijicon ACOG RCO, and an LMT patrol with Colt A2 carry handle. Both have streamlight weapon lights on them and both have VTAC slings.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. I promise. There are some boutique makes that can be real pricey. No need for those unless you are an IG model as they don't offer anything other than looks.

I wish I had a dime each time this was asked

 

[dadebonz1]

The current firearms market is no place to guage actual firearm values. Having said that, a cheap AR isn't something I'd trust when I need it most because I've gone down that rabbit hole. The current ARs i own are a BCM RECCE with a Trijicon ACOG RCO, and an LMT patrol with Colt A2 carry handle. Both have streamlight weapon lights on them and both have VTAC slings.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. I promise. There are some boutique makes that can be real pricey. No need for those unless you are an IG model as they don't offer anything other than looks.

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Thats what I'm interested in. The Trijicon it self is boucoup bucks;the rest of your rig from what I have read is top of the line also. Just a question but does one need a weapon like that? Do you expect to have it last for a long time in lets say combat? I really don't know and curious about peoples opinions.

 

[Grim]

I own the one's I have because I see them not only as a firearm, but also as an investment.

This is 16 pounds of "I don't want to carry it anywhere"

 

[Grim]

Though many have similar features, there are some nice to have touches that some manufacturers do that aren't really necessary.

Lighter, but still a pig.

 

[Grim]

Its bewildering for an Iron sight Marine. I hope I never have to fire in anger again;but it seems to be going that way. The reason I have a Keltec? it looks nothing like an AR. Hopefully I'll be incognito for a while.

My father is also an iron sight Marine. While he qualified with irons on a 20"x40" target, I let him use my MR762 which is capable of 0.45MOA at 550 yards (that's a group of 2.5" or roughly the size of a racquetball).

What you run on your rifle depends on the application. I wouldn't lug the MR762 for house clearing.

 

[dadebonz1]

My father is also an iron sight Marine. While he qualified with irons on a 20"x40" target, I let him use my MR762 which is capable of 0.45MOA at 550 yards (that's a group of 2.5" or roughly the size of a racquetball).

What you run on your rifle depends on the application. I wouldn't lug the MR762 for house clearing.

Thats why I'm curious. Do you shoot competitive? If so why an ar? Is your AR .233? Like I said I'm new to the game of modern firearms,competitions etc. My .270 was pretty good for a beanfield shooter.

 

[JBoyette]

Just because its made, does not mean you need to buy it.

 

[Grim]

Thats why I'm curious. Do you shoot competitive? If so why an ar? Is your AR .233?

I want to shoot competitively, right now I'm still in the learning my equipment phase. I have two precision rifles (HK MR762 and Sig Sauer SSG3000) both are .308. I bought the MR762 (semi-auto) to give me the ability to make precise shots at distance quicker than that of my bolt rifle (Sig Sauer SSG3000). I have taken a couple of precision rifle courses, and have data to 1000 yards with the SSG3000, and to 550 with the MR762.

As for the MR556, it'll be my home defense rifle. It is chambered in 5.56. I also need to seek carbine class training with it.

 

[Grim]

Here is the Sig Sauer SSG3000. Not a lot of bells and whistles on it.

 

[Scrubber3]

Just a question but does one need a weapon like that?

My friend, the answer is always yes. Yes. And yes again.

Hopefully, my combat days are over. If not, then i know my rifles will work whenever I call upon them. I don't skimp when it comes to weapons or tires. Your life is literally riding on one and could very well depend on the other to function when needed. I don't want mediocre in either case.

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[dadebonz1]

1. I want to shoot competitively, right now I'm still in the learning my equipment phase. I have two precision rifles (HK MR762 and Sig Sauer SSG3000) both are .308. I bought the MR762 (semi-auto) to give me the ability to make precise shots at distance quicker than that of my bolt rifle (Sig Sauer SSG3000). I have taken a couple of precision rifle courses, and have data to 1000 yards with the SSG3000, and to 550 with the MR762.
   
   As for the MR556, it'll be my home defense rifle. It is chambered in 5.56. I also need to seek carbine class training with it.

   
   RESPECT! takes

My friend, the answer is always yes. Yes. And yes again.

Hopefully, my combat days are over. If not, then i know my rifles will work whenever I call upon them. I don't skimp when it comes to weapons or tires. Your life is literally riding on one and could very well depend on the other to function when needed. I don't want mediocre in either case.

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I trained with the M16 A1 it mas mass produced and who knows where the ammo came from. You are correct buy the best you can afford. Tires I don't have much control over;but a rifle is only as good as the shooter. Semper Fi.

 

[dadebonz1]

I want to thank you for all the responses. Like I said I'm a noob as far as whats available and why all the choises. I learned alot today and would like to get more education. Again Thank you and Semper Fidelis.

 

[MacEntyre]

...but I upgrade the trigger in a few as a matter of preference.

You have more'n one? ???

 

[JBoyette]

Just a question but does one need a weapon like that?

@dadebonz1
On the surface that is a very dangerous question. Let me ask you this, do I have the right to tell you what kind of property you can own? Can I lobby the government and have them enforce laws that make you comply with what I think you should be allowed to own?

 

[dadebonz1]

@dadebonz1
On the surface that is a very dangerous question. Let me ask you this, do I have the right to tell you what kind of property you can own? Can I lobby the government and have them enforce laws that make you comply with what I think you should be allowed to own?

didn't mean anything negative. Just wanted to know peoples opinions. Like I mentioned I am new to the AR platform and all the accessories. I am very familiar with the M16.

 

[Daryl Turner]

If I was marching off to fight terrorists in Afghanistan or Somolia I would want the absolute best weapon available. My chances of shooting a coyote or fox in the hen house is at least a billion times more likely. I'm happy with my simple entry level AR15.

 

[Chuckman]

@dadebonz1 , I wasn't a Marine, but I was a corpsmen, and I also learned on rifles pre-optics. Then we transitioned to the Aimpoint and ACOG, and we (the Marines) never looked back. Now that I am, ahem, more mature (52 this Sunday), I cannot even begin to tell you how much I love having an optic (Trijicon MRO) on my AR for my almost-52 year-old eyes.

Things evolve, weapons evolve, tactics evolve.

>90% of the stuff out there for ARs is fodder for the non-serious user. You see most serious shooters using the same family or same types of products. @NCFubar is right: BUIS/optic, a light, a sling. That's it.

 

[Crazy Carl]

Any time I see an AR loaded with "garnish", I know its owner never had to carry one for a living.

 

[Charlie]

I have several AR rifles that I have set up in several different ways that I use for several different things. I also have different types of ammo that I use for several different application. I do like the ability to take stuff off or put it on quickly to meet the needs of the moment. I use different sighting systems, iron sights, scopes, or red dots, for different uses and generally have some method of mounting a light if I think I will need one. I have a bipod that I can put on several if I think I could need it. I do not put things on a rifle unless I think I will actually need them that day. I keep a sling and sighting system on each rifle all the time and have the other goodies available if they are needed. Carrying around stuff that I know I will not need does not appeal to me.

 

[NKD]

Just my opinions based on what I have learned:
-Most of the stuff you see guys doing with their ARs is because they hang out on AR15.com and parrot each other in every way.
They take pictures of their rifles to post on Instagram/gun forums. They buy stuff because it “looks good”. They have no idea how to actually run them well or even what they need or don’t need. They buy crap to stick on it because they saw somebody else do it. They are classic poseurs.

- The military provides arms for total low denominator newbs. Pretend what you want is footwear: do you look to the Army for your footwear? You vehicle? Your food? Your knives? Why would you look to them for what rifle to carry?
-if you want performance, ignore the military/police and look to competition, where crap/bs is exposed quickly and thoroughly. Competition is where rifle technology and shooting techinque is developed. Competition shooters are decades in front of the basic military. If you insist on looking toward the military arms, look to special operations: these dudes know what’s up. At least some of them. Because they are not the lowest common denominators.

But this is the most important part. The critical part. The part that truly matters:
A Knights rifle is better than an Anderson in every way.
But Pat McNamara will kill you dead with either rifle. And Jerry Miculek will beat you badly with either rifle.

And neither rifle will save you if you suck. It is the Indian, not the arrow.

 

[Mr. Bggs]

I like mechanical things that work with the least chance of breaking or falling apart. The most efficient way to get what i want without the added money,work,worry, etc.....