Kyle Rittenhouse 17 year Old Shoots 3 kills 2....

Combat Diver said:
10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia There are two types of militias. Organized and unorganized. Organized is the National Guard and Naval Militia. Those from 17-45 yo are part of the unorganized militia.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section246&num=0&edition=prelim

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When I asked David Zuniga of Tactical civics, "was the National Guard the organized militia of the several States"...this was his response.

"Nope. Not even on their best day!

First, the National Guard is composed exclusively of volunteers who sign enlistment contracts; whereas “the Militia of several States” are organizations not formed by contracts into which citizens voluntarily choose to enter, but instead based on compulsory enrollment of every able-bodied adult American.

Secondly, members of the National Guard don't supply their own firearms, ammunition and accoutrements; or keep that equipment in their personal possession at all times in their own homes. The Militia must!

Third, the National Guard may be called into the service by the feds for other purposes than the three that we stipulate in the Constitution. Beginning with Woodrow Wilson, presidents have even called National Guardsmen to be dispatched overseas to 'deploy' as mercenaries in totally illegal 'wars' (foreign adventures for banks and oil companies).

Fourth: when called into so-called 'federal' service, the National Guard can be incorporated as units of the federal armed forces; but the Militia can never be incorporated as units of the regular armed forces *under any circumstances*, because the Militia and the regular armed forces are constitutionally distinct -- actually mutually exclusive! -- establishments.

Contrast U.S. Constitution Art I, Sec. 6, Clauses 12-14 with Clauses 15-16, and also see Art II, Sec 2, Clause 1.

Fifth: when called into 'federal' service, the National Guard can come under the orders of the officers of the regular armed forces; whereas other than the president (and only when the Militia are “called forth” for one or more of the three constitutionally explicit purposes), officers of the armed forces can never command constitutional Militia.

On this aspect, read U.S. Constitution, Art I, Sec 8, Clause 16.

'National Guard' was created out of illegal whole cloth by Congress. But Congress can NEVER have any control, or make any laws, respecting the Militia, because that is OUR institution, and has been in existence since before we created Congress! See?"
 
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Think the last time Volunteer Militias were called to active service and used in a foreign war was the 3 Regiments of Volunteer Calvary, 1-3 rd. They were called up for deployment during the 1898 Spanish American war. COL Leonard Wood was the commander and his deputy was LTC Teddy Roosevelt of the 1st VCR. This was the only Regiment of the three to see action in Cuba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Riders

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Combat Diver said:
Think the last time Volunteer Militias were called to active service and used in a foreign war was the 3 Regiments of Volunteer Calvary, 1-3 rd. They were called up for deployment during the 1898 Spanish American war. COL Leonard Wood was the commander and his deputy was LTC Teddy Roosevelt of the 1st VCR. This was the only Regiment of the three to see action in Cuba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Riders

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And the first use of a belt fed machine gun in our military during combat. And the machine gun was privately owned by a family member of the unit that donated it.
 
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chiefjason said:
And the first use of a belt fed machine gun in our military during combat. And the machine gun was privately owned by a family member of the unit that donated it.
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Yes, 2 Colt 1895 Potato Diggers in 7x57mm Mauser. Also last use of Richards Gattling guns in combat by the US Army. Both were used side by side to support the Rough Riders charging up San Juan and Kettle hills. In 1896 Richard Gattling installed first electric motor on his gun. I've got a electrically driven, mechanically fired Mk44 Minigun sitting 5 feet from me right now.


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Yes, 2 Colt 1895 Potato Diggers in 7x57mm Mauser. Also last use of Richards Gattling guns in combat by the US Army. Both were used side by side to support the Rough Riders charging up San Juan and Kettle hills. In 1896 Richard Gattling installed first electric motor on his gun. I've got a electrically driven, mechanically fired Mk44 Minigun sitting 5 feet from me right now.


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rdinatal said:
That's both 'cool' and 'scary as heck'.
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Only scary for the other side. CD is one of the good guys. :D
 
Combat Diver said:
Yes, 2 Colt 1895 Potato Diggers in 7x57mm Mauser. Also last use of Richards Gattling guns in combat by the US Army. Both were used side by side to support the Rough Riders charging up San Juan and Kettle hills. In 1896 Richard Gattling installed first electric motor on his gun. I've got a electrically driven, mechanically fired Mk44 Minigun sitting 5 feet from me right now.


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Can you bring that home?
 
Combat Diver said:
Yes, 2 Colt 1895 Potato Diggers in 7x57mm Mauser. Also last use of Richards Gattling guns in combat by the US Army. Both were used side by side to support the Rough Riders charging up San Juan and Kettle hills. In 1896 Richard Gattling installed first electric motor on his gun. I've got a electrically driven, mechanically fired Mk44 Minigun sitting 5 feet from me right now.


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According to the placard in the display case, this Gatling was used in 1946 to prove the concept of the electrically powered Gatling system for aircraft guns. This is at the Cody museum.

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AP reports Kyle will not face any gun charges in IL, the rifle was in WI legally owned.

WAUKEGAN, Ill. (AP) — A 17-year-old accused of killing two protesters days after Jacob Blake was shot by police in Kenosha, Wisconsin, will not face charges in his home state of Illinois, prosecutors said Tuesday.

An investigation revealed the gun used in the Kenosha shooting was purchased, stored and used in Wisconsin, the Lake County State’s Attorney’s Office said. There is no evidence the gun was ever physically possessed by Kyle Rittenhouse in Illinois, it said.

Rittenhouse of Antioch, remains held in a juvenile detention center in Lake County without bond due to pending criminal charges in Kenosha. Rittenhouse is due back in Lake County court on Oct. 30 for an extradition hearing.

His arrest has become a rallying point for some on the right, with a legal defense fund that has attracted millions of dollars in donations. But others see Rittenhouse as a domestic terrorist whose presence with a rifle incited the protesters.

Defense attorneys have portrayed Rittenhouse as a courageous patriot who was exercising his right to bear arms during unrest over the shooting of Blake, who is Black.
 
He may be better off. Out in public, he might be a higher risk. Depends on his conditions, I guess.
 
SCOOP: Man Who Fired First Shots Behind Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha Has Been Charged

Joshua Ziminski, 35, has been charged with disorderly conduct and use of a dangerous weapon for firing his weapon during the incident on August 25.

According to the charging document, obtained by The Gateway Pundit, while investigating the shooting by Rittenhouse, Kenosha detectives obtained videos in which Ziminski “was holding a black handgun, which he was holding in his left hand, pointing downward. Detective Howard reports that in reviewing multiple other videos, he was able to see the defendant and Kelly Ziminski, in and around multiple other people on the streets, and the defendant was seen holding the handgun down at his side in said videos.”

“In another video, the defendant and Kelly are seen walking near a fire in the area of the Ultimate Gas Station lot. In later video, the defendant’s right arm is seen on the video, which is taken near 63rd Street and Sheridan Road, in the City and County of Kenosha, State of Wisconsin. Detective Howard reports the defendant’s arm pointing the gun upward towards the sky,” the document explains. “Detective Howard observed a muzzle flash emit from the handgun, and heard a gunshot at the same time. In another video, the defendant is clearly seen at that same location. The defendant is seen walking in the same area, holding his right arm upwards, and firing off one shot from his handgun. The defendant and his wife are then seen leaving the area. Several other people are in the nearby vicinity when the defendant fires the handgun.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...hots-behind-kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-charged/


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georgel said:
He may be better off. Out in public, he might be a higher risk. Depends on his conditions, I guess.
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I don't know...his enemies may be at a higher risk. Judging by the way the young fella handled himself, I'd say he's an AR ninja. Lol
In all seriousness though, I hope they're taking extra caution while he's in the pokey, PC and such. Jails and prisons don't really house our finest citizens, and if someone was looking to get a big payday on a hit, or make a name for themselves. This would be their chance, and a whole lot of shady characters would jump at the opportunity. Green dot cards have made some of the most trusted prison guards into criminals. I've witnessed this myself.
Money talks, and...well you guys know the rest. May the good Lord keep him safe.
 
nypost.com

Kyle Rittenhouse ordered to be extradited to Wisconsin for Kenosha shooting

An Illinois judge Friday ordered local teen Kyle Rittenhouse – who is charged in the shooting deaths of two protesters in Kenosha, Wisc. – to be extradited across the border to stand trial on homic…
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An Illinois judge Friday ordered local teen Kyle Rittenhouse – who is charged in the shooting deaths of two protesters in Kenosha, Wisc. – to be extradited across the border to stand trial on homicide charges.
 
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rdinatal said:
nypost.com

Kyle Rittenhouse ordered to be extradited to Wisconsin for Kenosha shooting

An Illinois judge Friday ordered local teen Kyle Rittenhouse – who is charged in the shooting deaths of two protesters in Kenosha, Wisc. – to be extradited across the border to stand trial on homic…
nypost.com nypost.com

An Illinois judge Friday ordered local teen Kyle Rittenhouse – who is charged in the shooting deaths of two protesters in Kenosha, Wisc. – to be extradited across the border to stand trial on homicide charges.
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Show of hands. Who here thinks he’s going to get a fair trial?

If there were ever a time for a militia to muster, this is a good contender.
 
noway2 said:
Show of hands. Who here thinks he’s going to get a fair trial?
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Wisconsin Prosecutors Drop Charges Against First Shooter in Order to Prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse​

Oct 16, 2020
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Wisconsin Prosecutors Drop Charges Against First Shooter in Order to Prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ On October 13, 2020, the Gateway Pundit broke the story that the person who fired the first shot the night Kyle Rittenhouse was forced to defend his life, Joshua Ziminski, was arrested and charged. The man who fired the first shots from behind Kyle Rittenhouse...
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Is this leagal? said:
Guilty till proven innocent?
I've seen these things drag on for years.
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What have you seen drag on for years, Waiting for trial or extradition hearing? If waiting on an extradition hearing no you haven't seen it drag on for years. They are usually completed fairly quickly unless you are fighting extradition like in this case. In which one of two things will happen he gets a hearing and is found to be a fugitive because another state has issued valid warrants or the other state issues a governors warrant and just comes and picks him up. This criminal trial once in Wisconsin will be stretched out for years with pretrial hearings and motions on both sides State and Defense delaying the actual trial so while yes they sometimes take time you don't see who is actually delaying the trial.
 
Cowboy said:
What have you seen drag on for years, Waiting for trial or extradition hearing? If waiting on an extradition hearing no you haven't seen it drag on for years. They are usually completed fairly quickly unless you are fighting extradition like in this case. In which one of two things will happen he gets a hearing and is found to be a fugitive because another state has issued valid warrants or the other state issues a governors warrant and just comes and picks him up. This criminal trial once in Wisconsin will be stretched out for years with pretrial hearings and motions on both sides State and Defense delaying the actual trial so while yes they sometimes take time you don't see who is actually delaying the trial.
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His lawyers don't want this to go away quickly and quietly. They are counting on a big show so they can up their rates on all their other clients. This kids life be damned.
 
The only way this 'goes away' quickly is if the kid pleads guilty.

With this case and all the drama and politics surrounding it there is no way that once the prosecutor charged him that they would let it go even if compelling evidence of self defense was shown. Any prosecutor that did drop the charges would be ending their career. If they had taken their time and done a complete investigation before charging him then they could have backed off, but not now. It's a bone in their teeth and they ain't letting go.

The longer the case takes to get to trial is probably going to result in a better final outcome for the kid. This isn't a criminal case anymore. It is political theater.
 
elirab said:
Any prosecutor that did drop the charges would be ending their career.
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Any prosecutor that puts their career above the fundamental right and wrong they swore to uphold needs to be at least removed from their position, if not more.
 
J R Green said:
His lawyers don't want this to go away quickly and quietly. They are counting on a big show so they can up their rates on all their other clients. This kids life be damned.
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This is not true at all. Look, I understand cynicism. I was willing on this board and its predecessor to be ubercynical and completely piss off the flag wavers and bible banging right (I consider myself one of them as well) by saying flat out they were being used by completely hypocritical forces on the right, who flacked for them at election time and then mocked them once in power on the DC cocktail circuit. It was EXTREMELY unpopular to tell them that THEY were the real problem, because they enabled the Bush and neocon cabal in the name of "but the other guys are worse."

So, I am familiar with cynicism and don't consider myself to be a starry eyed idealist here. I know that selfish self promotion should always be considered as a motive for activity....., ESPECIALLY when you are "entrusting" something valuable (like keeping yourself out of prison! :) ) to them.

However, I think you are really slandering Woods and company. These men have a history of standing up in the face of the deep state apparatus and defending little schmucks like me and you. Have they built a reputation, and consequent payroll from doing it? Certainly. But I sorta thought that is what we were all about.... ,freedom allows the best to come to the top and get rewarded for it. I see nothing wrong with that, nor do I see any reason to automatically assume that anyone who does so is just thinking about how many more zeroes this will add to their ledger. This is NOT always the case.


My take, anyway.
 
Cowboy said:
What have you seen drag on for years, Waiting for trial or extradition hearing? If waiting on an extradition hearing no you haven't seen it drag on for years. They are usually completed fairly quickly unless you are fighting extradition like in this case. In which one of two things will happen he gets a hearing and is found to be a fugitive because another state has issued valid warrants or the other state issues a governors warrant and just comes and picks him up. This criminal trial once in Wisconsin will be stretched out for years with pretrial hearings and motions on both sides State and Defense delaying the actual trial so while yes they sometimes take time you don't see who is actually delaying the trial.
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Extradition is done. His lawyers say they will appeal, which we should expect. The rough thing is that if there is a trial (and there is no reason the kid should not be cleared of all homicide charges without a formal trial!) the proper venue IS the location of the event. The problem is that you have an ag who is not a reasonable guy and there is a legit fear that he won't get a fair trial.

Pray for his lawyers, if you pray. They are good guys.
 
elirab said:
The only way this 'goes away' quickly is if the kid pleads guilty.

With this case and all the drama and politics surrounding it there is no way that once the prosecutor charged him that they would let it go even if compelling evidence of self defense was shown. Any prosecutor that did drop the charges would be ending their career. If they had taken their time and done a complete investigation before charging him then they could have backed off, but not now. It's a bone in their teeth and they ain't letting go.

The longer the case takes to get to trial is probably going to result in a better final outcome for the kid. This isn't a criminal case anymore. It is political theater.
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Whadya mean "IF"?


AR10ShooterinNC said:
Even if he is not convicted, his life will be hard.
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But he is alive unlike two of the three he shot. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
 
noway2 said:
Any prosecutor that puts their career above the fundamental right and wrong they swore to uphold needs to be at least removed from their position, if not more.
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Should be. Do you think that is how it really is?

The kid is going to have to deal with the system we have and not the one we wish we had.

Prosecutors don't like losing high profile cases even if they are wrong.
 
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