Looking for a new competition load.

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About to run out of my 115gr blue bullets with WIN 231 powder. I want to stick with that company and looking at getting either the new 125 truncated, but open to the other weights and powders as well. Will be shot out of a Glock 34. Thanks in advance.
 
I love the Blue Bullets.

I use the 147 RN over 3.2 grains of titegroup. Works well through my Glock, too.
 
Does the 231 burn sooty at lower charges with such a light bullet & no crimp?

With Coated bullets (no crimp), I find myself drifting to VV powders because they burn so clean.
I can give FMJ a good crimp so 231/HP38/Universal type powders are ok but with coated I like a cleaner powder.

I was told today, by a very experienced reloader, that he sees obvious throat leading in his CZ Tacsport Orange in .40, using 200gr Blues & 231. He swears he is only removing the bell and is seating them straight on the case (enough bell.)

I'm wondering if what he is seeing is actually the coating.
 
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My son shoots a G34 with 147 gn. RN Blue bullets over 3.0 gn. TiteGroup at 1.14 COL. Chrono'd at Virginia State Championship at 132 PF. My chronograph says they average 903 fps. Nice and soft, but has never failed to knock down steel, and with only one failure to feed since using it, and that was on a reload. I told him it was operator error, not the ammo. It is still a point of contention between us.

You have to be careful with lead bullets in Glock barrels. The twist is something like 1 in 9.8, and if run the speed up on lead, you can throw the bullet apart. We had that problem initially with 125 gn blues, and went to an after market barrel with 1 in 32 or something. Then went to 147s. WE have shot them through the glock barrel since then without any problems.

Of course the issue for us was making minimum power factor (125) with lighter bullets (requiring greater muzzle velocity). I target minimum PF + 5 so as not to fail chrono due to temperature or a change in crimp or seating depth.
 
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124 gr, 135 gr or a 147gr bullet over cleanshot powder. Thank me later
 
Hmmm...never tried cleanshot.
Tell me more.
Cleanshot is old style Accurate #2. It's a ball powder that meters like water. It has a burn rate similar to Titegroup, but burns so much cleaner. It's one of my favorite powders by far.
 
Cleanshot is old style Accurate #2. It's a ball powder that meters like water. It has a burn rate similar to Titegroup, but burns so much cleaner. It's one of my favorite powders by far.

This. Plus the guns temps are a bit cooler than with titegroup. I was going thru a bunch of fiber optic pieces with Titegroup.

Got to where I love the stuff with 40 minor loads and major loads. Perfect in 9mm and 45 acp.

Plus the price is excellent, $90 on the 5lbs out the door most places I get it. Has been found on site at local matches.
 
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Does the 231 burn sooty at lower charges with such a light bullet & no crimp?

With Coated bullets (no crimp), I find myself drifting to VV powders because they burn so clean.
I can give FMJ a good crimp so 231/HP38/Universal type powders are ok but with coated I like a cleaner powder.

I was told today, by a very experienced reloader, that he sees obvious throat leading in his CZ Tacsport Orange in .40, using 200gr Blues & 231. He swears he is only removing the bell and is seating them straight on the case (enough bell.)

I'm wondering if what he is seeing is actually the coating.
I never have issues like you are describing. But I do the ever so lightest crimp on my coated bullets.
 
My son shoots a G34 with 147 gn. RN Blue bullets over 3.0 gn. TiteGroup at 1.14 COL. Chrono'd at Virginia State Championship at 132 PF. My chronograph says they average 903 fps. Nice and soft, but has never failed to knock down steel, and with only one failure to feed since using it, and that was on a reload. I told him it was operator error, not the ammo. It is still a point of contention between us.

You have to be careful with lead bullets in Glock barrels. The twist is something like 1 in 9.8, and if run the speed up on lead, you can throw the bullet apart. We had that problem initially with 125 gn blues, and went to an after market barrel with 1 in 32 or something. Then went to 147s. WE have shot them through the glock barrel since then without any problems.

Of course the issue for us was making minimum power factor (125) with lighter bullets (requiring greater muzzle velocity). I target minimum PF + 5 so as not to fail chrono due to temperature or a change in crimp or seating depth.
Thanks for the reply.
 
@Mike Overlay what is your recommended load with cleanshot?

9mm... 147 gr coated lead...3.4 gr cleanshot @1.135 oal
135 plated (xtreme rnfp) 3.6 gr cleanshot @ 1.135 oal

40 minor...180 lead coated, 2.9 gr cleanshot @ 1.175 oal. (Stupid soft, front sight doesn't even lift out of the rear sight notch)

40 major. 190 L13 coated, 4.1 gr cleanshot @ 1.175ish. Or 180 precision delta jhp, 5.1 gr cleanshot at 1.180 oal. ( this one was chrono'd at Area 6 match, 959 fps, 962fps and 956 fps. 6 sd's. Extremely accurate round)

All these loads were shot out 5inch barreled double stacks 1911s (2011s) And one CZ75b
 
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9mm... 147 gr coated lead...3.4 gr cleanshot @1.135 oal
135 plated (xtreme rnfp) 3.6 gr cleanshot @ 1.135 oal

40 minor...180 lead coated, 2.9 gr cleanshot @ 1.175 oal. (Stupid soft, front sight doesn't even lift out of the rear sight notch)

40 major. 190 L13 coated, 4.1 gr cleanshot @ 1.175ish. Or 180 precision delta jhp, 5.1 gr cleanshot at 1.180 oal. ( this one was chrono'd at Area 6 match, 959 fps, 962fps and 956 fps. 6 sd's. Extremely accurate round)

All these loads were shot out 5inch barreled double stacks 1911s (2011s) And one CZ75b
Thanks for the info, will pick some up when I find it.
 
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