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Wasn’t a Family Dollar and some fabric softener this time, although it was right beside one. I’ve done business with this owner before. This is in Whiteville, NC

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You can see where they bent the window bars back.


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The storm was known to be coming for days, did he fail to reasonably secure his inventory? Did the looters break into a bunch of safes? Is it all covered by insurance? Need more info before I can decide if I care about his apparent misfortune.
 
Cheap steel.?
Dunno if its feesable, but if I owned a gun store medium to small or pawn shop inventory size. I would have rented a big ass penske truck loaded up the guns, and left the area.
The last thing I would want on my soul is a weapon that I was responsible for to be involved in a killing, Dont need that

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I am of the belief that it is not my responsibility to be unreasonably burdened by your weak moral fiber. Instead of blaming the owner, blame the thieves and instead of pussyazz slaps on the wrist, make stealing something to remember. Cut off a hand. Chop it clean off. Theft will decline precipitously.
 
JimB said:
The storm was known to be coming for days, did he fail to reasonably secure his inventory? Did the looters break into a bunch of safes? Is it all covered by insurance? Need more info before I can decide if I care about his apparent misfortune.
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That's right. It's the owners fault he was broken into and stolen from.
Forget all about the people who, you know, actually broke in and actually stole.

Aren't you the one who had some employees embezzeling a while back? Let's put this in a way you'll understand.
That was your fault. You didn't interview those employees well enough. You didn't have the correct controls over how and where business money was spent. You didn't properly review expenditures to catch it.
Never mind the people who, you know, actually stole from you. They are blameless because it's your fault you made the crime easy to commit.
It's your fault and I'm gonna need more info before I can decide if I care about your apparent misfortune.

There...do you see how utterly stupid all that sounds?
Quit blaming victims.


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draco88 said:
Quit blaming victims.
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I can almost agree, but there are times when the "victim" actually makes things so easy to steal that they can't be ignored by the thief. Leave your wallet on the hood of your car in a Wal Mart and see if it's there when you come back...

I'm not sure that some people can think about common sense things like locking a door or putting something valuable out of sight. If you and/or I owned the pawn shop we would have most likely taken more serious precautions knowing the magnitude of the impending storm and it's likely consequences.
 
If the shop owner had left his door unlocked, would you still put all of the blame on the thieves?
 
Geezer said:
If the shop owner had left his door unlocked, would you still put all of the blame on the thieves?
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Absolutely. I can think he's stupid, but the blame is on the criminal.
Just like @Bailey Boat up there....he gets his wallet stolen off the hood of his car at WalMart, I'm gonna think he's kinda dumb, but Im gonna blame the thief.
If someone breaks in his house and steals a tv and computer, I'm not gonna blame him for not locking up his valuables.

Blame criminals for crime.
 
JimB said:
The storm was known to be coming for days, did he fail to reasonably secure his inventory? Did the looters break into a bunch of safes? Is it all covered by insurance? Need more info before I can decide if I care about his apparent misfortune.
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I know when you enter the store while open the longguns are locked in by cable through the trigger guard behind the counter. There is prevention of jumping, grabbing and running with several while open. He is armed also. Most small pawn shops I know of pull their guns from the front cases and lock them in a gun safe in the back. There is little info or coverage on this case. Don’t know exactly what happened.

Anyway about any large typical fire proof 14 gauge or greater gun safe can be cut into with a 14 dollar tool from harbor freight within a few minutes. Check out YouTube. This was done because police couldn’t respond and they’d have enough time to do this. There is a lesson learned about window bars and safes. Can’t really on them. Can’t really on Security alarms especially during a disaster.

Almost no one thought towns not by rivers would flood this bad. Whiteville is lowland, but no river or major lake near it. After a wet July, we’d been in a drought like condition all of August and early September. Everything had dried up.

Could he have took them home with him? Maybe? Can’t blame him for not thinking about it though. I’m pretty sure where he lives he also had to evacuate his home for a while, would’ve been hard to drag a few hundred guns from your house in a hurry. Might have figured they where safer there. Who knows. I blame the criminal, and he learns a lesson. Hopefully insured. I Hate seeing anything stolen and society acting like this, even if the victim is covered.
 
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Given a choice between protecting his family and protecting his store - and I think it's a safe bet he had to make that choice - I know where he should have been.

The loss is regrettable but I don't believe in this concept of sticky responsibility which follows items from hand to hand. Barring any complicity he is not responsible for the actions of criminals, either in looting his store or future crimes committed with the stolen guns.
 
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Feel sorry for the owner, not the thieves.

The BATF sent the following email to FFL holders ahead of the storm:

[email protected]
Sep 11 at 12:28 PM
This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Hurricane Florence is an extremely dangerous, major hurricane. The storm is projected to hit the North Carolina/South Carolina coast on Thursday causing significant hazards along portions of the Eastern Seaboard. ATF recommends that licensees in the storm’s path take the necessary precautions to protect life and secure your firearms inventory and records from flooding and other potential storm damage. In the event of damage, theft, or attempted theft, please contact ATF at 800-800-3855. Thank you.

You other license holders got one of these too, I assume.

I hope the owners insurance will cover the cost of items stolen.
But I think the ATF will consider the owner responsible for the firearms security.
 
I repeat; after the Tsunami in Japan there was not one case of looting. Apparently, ours is a different culture than the Japanese. I can also recall the LA riots. There was no looting in Korea town because the owners armed themselves and defended their property. There was no doubt in my mind before this tragedy struck that there was going to be looting.
 
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BudE said:
I repeat; after the Tsunami in Japan there was not one case of looting. Apparently, ours is a different culture than the Japanese. I can also recall the LA riots. There was no looting in Korea town because the owners armed themselves and defended their property. There was no doubt in my mind before this tragedy struck that there was going to be looting.
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Noticing the difference will get one labeled pretty quickly...
 
BudE said:
I repeat; after the Tsunami in Japan there was not one case of looting. Apparently, ours is a different culture than the Japanese. I can also recall the LA riots. There was no looting in Korea town because the owners armed themselves and defended their property. There was no doubt in my mind before this tragedy struck that there was going to be looting.
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That’s not entirely accurate...

Korea town WAS targeted heavily at first. Look up the killing of Latasha Harlins. 13 days after the Rodney King beating, Harlins, age 15, was shot and killed by a 51 year old Korean clerk who assumed she wasn’t going to pay for a bottle of orange juice she had. The clerk was tried for Voluntary Manslaughter, convicted and sentenced to probation. Roughly a year later, the light sentence for the Korean store owner was remembered after the Rodney King verdict

Well over half of all business vandalized or looted during the LA Riots were Korean....until K-Town realized the cops weren’t coming and they armed themselves.
 
BudE said:
I repeat; after the Tsunami in Japan there was not one case of looting.
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You’ve repeated it enough that I feel obligated to point out that it is factually inaccurate. There were hundreds of crimes committed in Japan following the tsunami, including looting. There was undoubtedly less than would have occurred in the US and most other countries, I believe that it is primarily a culturalal thing.
 
Geezer said:
If the shop owner had left his door unlocked, would you still put all of the blame on the thieves?
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You blame both... for completely different things.
The thieves are still thieves regardless of how they got in or how they got the goods.
The owner leaving the door open or making it too easy to steal is simply a careless dumbass who doesn’t deserve an FFL as it carries a huge responsibility.
 
JimB said:
You’ve repeated it enough that I feel obligated to point out that it is factually inaccurate. There were hundreds of crimes committed in Japan following the tsunami, including looting. There was undoubtedly less than would have occurred in the US and most other countries, I believe that it is primarily a culturalal thing.
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Can you direct me to a source that indicates looting in Japan subsequent to the Tsunami. I am aware that there is a vast criminal enterprise in Japan and I have no doubt there were crimes including murder following the tsunami.
 
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JimB said:
You’ve repeated it enough that I feel obligated to point out that it is factually inaccurate. There were hundreds of crimes committed in Japan following the tsunami, including looting. There was undoubtedly less than would have occurred in the US and most other countries, I believe that it is primarily a culturalal thing.
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I'm going to back up here. There must have been a case or two of looting. Has to have been. There are assholes in every society. However, my source, within the Japanese Embassy is not aware of any reported instances of looting. In many instances if food or water or some other essential was needed from a shop that was untended the money was left there.
 
BudE said:
I'm going to back up here. There must have been a case or two of looting. Has to have been. There are assholes in every society. However, my source, within the Japanese Embassy is not aware of any reported instances of looting. In many instances if food or water or some other essential was needed from a shop that was untended the money was left there.
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Yeah, all I have is published news reports, not the most reliable sources of information I admit, but then you set the hurdle at “not a single” so I felt pretty safe.
 
BudE said:
I'm going to back up here. There must have been a case or two of looting. Has to have been. There are assholes in every society. However, my source, within the Japanese Embassy is not aware of any reported instances of looting. In many instances if food or water or some other essential was needed from a shop that was untended the money was left there.
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The culture in other countries such as Japan dates back centuries and millenniums,
unlike the USA that is a very young republic that is a country of countries.
The concept of not taking what is not yours to take is often ignored.
 
Catfish said:
I want to live in a world where that's normal. how do we make that happen?
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I grabbed a bag of corn from a local mill when they werent there. Left enough money to cover the product, tax and a little extra just in case.

Now in bigger areas I don't for see that happening but in smaller areas yea it happens.
 
bondjamesbond said:
Feel sorry for the owner, not the thieves.

The BATF sent the following email to FFL holders ahead of the storm:

[email protected]
Sep 11 at 12:28 PM
This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Hurricane Florence is an extremely dangerous, major hurricane. The storm is projected to hit the North Carolina/South Carolina coast on Thursday causing significant hazards along portions of the Eastern Seaboard. ATF recommends that licensees in the storm’s path take the necessary precautions to protect life and secure your firearms inventory and records from flooding and other potential storm damage. In the event of damage, theft, or attempted theft, please contact ATF at 800-800-3855. Thank you.

You other license holders got one of these too, I assume.

I hope the owners insurance will cover the cost of items stolen.
But I think the ATF will consider the owner responsible for the firearms security.
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Every FFL got that email. We also got a voice message from the ATF stating the same thing... The ATF will probably get them on failure to secure inventory and/or records.
 
Frick the ATF ! They can't even keep track of their own guns.
bondjamesbond said:
Feel sorry for the owner, not the thieves.

The BATF sent the following email to FFL holders ahead of the storm:

[email protected]
Sep 11 at 12:28 PM
This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Hurricane Florence is an extremely dangerous, major hurricane. The storm is projected to hit the North Carolina/South Carolina coast on Thursday causing significant hazards along portions of the Eastern Seaboard. ATF recommends that licensees in the storm’s path take the necessary precautions to protect life and secure your firearms inventory and records from flooding and other potential storm damage. In the event of damage, theft, or attempted theft, please contact ATF at 800-800-3855. Thank you.

You other license holders got one of these too, I assume.

I hope the owners insurance will cover the cost of items stolen.
But I think the ATF will consider the owner responsible for the firearms security.
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backwoodsshooter said:
I grabbed a bag of corn from a local mill when they werent there. Left enough money to cover the product, tax and a little extra just in case.

Now in bigger areas I don't for see that happening but in smaller areas yea it happens.
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Small rural town, but I know a farmer who told me: “here is the freezer that has x,y,z.. if you need meat and we’re not here grab what you need and we’ll settle up later.”
 
Hmmm I just lived through a direct hit
And now 7 days of continued no power
Finaly data on my phone
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Button Pusher said:
The culture in other countries such as Japan dates back centuries and millenniums,
unlike the USA that is a very young republic that is a country of countries.
The concept of not taking what is not yours to take is often ignored.
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Perhaps part of the problem is we mandate the forced removal of other people's rightfully earned property, taxes, to give to those who choose not to work, welfare. We have built a 'great society' of those who expect free to them handouts. Why would we expect them not to help themselves whenever opportunities arise?
 
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mechdriver said:
Perhaps part of the problem is we mandate the forced removal of other people's rightfully earned property, taxes, to give to those who choose not to work, welfare. We have built a 'great society' of those who expect free to them handouts. Why would we expect them not to help themselves whenever opportunities arise?
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It's more then just hand outs. They're been programmed or trained into believing that others owe them in general. There are some who even believe they are owed reparations.
 
SDIVER2006 said:
Cheap steel.?
Dunno if its feesable, but if I owned a gun store medium to small or pawn shop inventory size. I would have rented a big ass penske truck loaded up the guns, and left the area.
The last thing I would want on my soul is a weapon that I was responsible for to be involved in a killing, Dont need that

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Guns don't cause harm. If someone steals my gun I worry not about what they do with it, that's on them.
 
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noway2 said:
It's more then just hand outs. They're been programmed or trained into believing that others owe them in general. There are some who even believe they are owed reparations.
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Isn't 620,000 soldiers killed in The War of Northern Aggression a high enough price???
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
C A R E F U L, ya'll gettn Real Close to being IDed as RACCCISSSST.
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Naah... I'm a culturalist.
I suspect all types equally with: face tattoos, waist below their arse, sideways flat brimmed baseball hats (usually with stickers), forcing others to listen to cRAP, on the gubmnt dole when they're healthy and able bodied, cover their face in public, wearing Nikes, etc.
 
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