MagLULA sues Amazon over counterfeits.

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Bought one last summer. First one.
Read all the Amazon reviews/complaints about the knock-offs..clicked over to Midway and bought the real thing there. Midway only orders these direct from Maglula.
IIRC the price was within $5 of the Amazon junk, and Midway likes us.

FYI- Got neon yellow. So much easier to find floating around in a range bag and much easier to orient on a black mag.
 
That probably explains the canceled scorpion one I had ordered for xmas.
 
I really hope they are successful!
 
Friday said:
Bought one last summer. First one.
Read all the Amazon reviews/complaints about the knock-offs..clicked over to Midway and bought the real thing there. Midway only orders these direct from Maglula.
IIRC the price was within $5 of the Amazon junk, and Midway likes us.

FYI- Got neon yellow. So much easier to find floating around in a range bag and much easier to orient on a black mag.
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miss the same for Trijicon RMR. Almost bought that I. Amazon till I read all counterfeit reviews. and that’s a $450 product
 
Got all my Magpul stuff from PSA and Lula's from Midway.
 
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Unfortunately, Maglula has a slim chance of winning or coming out successful in any way. I discovered, investigated, documented, and tracked counterfeits (indistinguishable to untrained person) and knock-offs (generic brand) on Amazon for my company, then handed it over to our legal team. It cost millions to fight these sellers and Chinese mfg’s, but Amazon has little risk as there is case law that protects them.
Essentially, Amazon can say “we didn’t make the fake product, we can’t control every single product sold on our marketplace, it’s against our rules to sell fakes.”
As a manufacturer or patent owner, you can flag each offending product but these sellers will just create new accounts or new listings meaning it’s a game if whack-a-mole. We had to make a case to the CBP and federal judge that our product’s counterfeits could potentially be used to harm Americans and therefore they should ban the importation of any questionable items. This took 2yrs to do.
I could talk about this for days, but Amazon and eBay counterfeits are a HUGE problem that many have no clue about.
 
My agency provides training for our anti-counterfeiting task force for North Carolina. Magpul was a brand represented a year ago with a rep and product. Anything and everything is being counterfeited and Amazon, Craigslist, eBay, Etsy, Alibaba, etc, etc. are all major conduits. I mean, we're talking even rolling papers and roach bait for pete's sake. Everything. NewEra sportswear had a rep a couple of years ago come to the training event, and the money companies are having to spend on anti-counterfeiting technologies is astounding, meaning we have to pay that much more for the actual product as consumers.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
I got one from Amazon in Nov, it was the only Maglula I’ve seen. How can one tell if it’s fake?
I did notice the packaging was very thin.
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Straight up call Maglula and ask. Tell them who (the actual vendor) you bought it through and how can you tell if it's legit. They should be able to walk you through the steps to determine, but then they may not ( many of the anti-counterfeiting technologies and techniques are classified and they will only release the info to LEOs or 'brand investigators'). If the vendor on Amazon isn't a registered Maglula distributor, they'll automatically assume it's counterfeit.
 
rdinatal said:
Can a brick and mortar store be sued selling counterfeits?
If 'yes' then Amazon and other Internet only stores can.

Just my opinion on this ...
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Actually, it depends. We found counterfeits in a major National retailer and because they bought the inventory from someone posing as an inventory liquidator, they had plausible deniability.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
Actually, it depends. We found counterfeits in a major National retailer and because they bought the inventory from someone posing as an inventory liquidator, they had plausible deniability.
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With that many counterfeits I'm sure there's some evidence that Amazon turned their head to make profit.

A product is made in China but the company that owns said product does not manufacturer in China. Did Amazon even check? It's Amazons Web Site. I build applications that sends off an emails as a response. All the information about companies are online and the data is accessible by APIs.
 
rdinatal said:
Can a brick and mortar store be sued selling counterfeits?
If 'yes' then Amazon and other Internet only stores can.

Just my opinion on this ...
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Absolutely. Does that mean one would be successful winning the suit? Questionable. It will depend on the quality of the investigation. Boutique stores are the most likely to be less than honest about selling counterfeits than the national chains. From 'boutique' stores downward into the 'bodegas' and flea markets is where a lot of the counterfeiting shows up in terms of goods. It's rampant.

Most 'national' chains take great care to keep bad stuff out of their supply chains, but sometimes, counterfeits get into the system, and then it can take a while for the counterfeits to be discovered and eliminated.

Some great information/links on counterfeiting/IP theft:
https://www.sosnc.gov/divisions/trademarks/trademark_counterfeit_enforcement
 
Just food for thought. The Chinese have been shipping in counterfeit electrical supplies like GFCI’s for years and nobody cares. You think anyone cares about mag loaders and magazines? Nothing will change. Go pay a few bucks more from a better source than Amazon. I had a couple Amazon gift cards from Christmas and felt dirty using them. Screw Bezos.
 
I've gotten some knockoffs that I knew were knockoffs. Didn't really affect my valuations of the original company. If I could afford a $250 Atlas bipod I would have gotten one, but I got the $25 CVlife ones instead but know they're not 'duty-ready'.
Same with the Harris knockoffs for .22 rifles.
 
rdinatal said:
With that many counterfeits I'm sure there's some evidence that Amazon turned their head to make profit.

A product is made in China but the company that owns said product does not manufacturer in China. Did Amazon even check? It's Amazons Web Site. I build applications that sends off an emails as a response. All the information about companies are online and the data is accessible by APIs.
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Absolutely. Amazon has little-to-no incentive to get the counterfeits off. They get a healthy cut of all products sold on the site, so if a a fake sells, more money for Amazon. Legally, they just have to show an effort to reduce and combat counterfeits, and have done so but in a weak manner IMO. They’re pretty smart, they could do a lot better.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
Absolutely. Amazon has little-to-no incentive to get the counterfeits off. They get a healthy cut of all products sold on the site, so if a a fake sells, more money for Amazon. Legally, they just have to show an effort to reduce and combat counterfeits, and have done so but in a weak manner IMO. They’re pretty smart, they could do a lot better.
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Have you ever shopped Ebay? :D
 
Am I the only one that doesn't use Amazon just because I absolutely despise their delivery drivers?

I've had 3 or 4 of those turds nigh about run over me while I'm standing in the street.
 
premise said:
Am I the only one that doesn't use Amazon just because I absolutely despise their delivery drivers?

I've had 3 or 4 of those turds nigh about run over me while I'm standing in the street.
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I love the Amazon drivers who come to our house. They have always been courteous, they leave the packages where the delivery instructions say to. Unlike my mailman who can’t seem to put a letter in the damn mailbox or leave packages at the door, he just dumps them in the middle of the driveway.
 
SnowRooster said:
I love the Amazon drivers who come to our house. They have always been courteous, they leave the packages where the delivery instructions say to. Unlike my mailman who can’t seem to put a letter in the damn mailbox or leave packages at the door, he just dumps them in the middle of the driveway.
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Oh, they might be nice once you get them away from the steering wheel, but they drive like maniacs around Charlotte. I'm sure it has something to do with delivery metrics or some such.

We had a rural route USPS carrier that I watched roll down her window and toss a very expensive ribbon microphone into my yard while it was raining.
 
SnowRooster said:
I love the Amazon drivers who come to our house. They have always been courteous, they leave the packages where the delivery instructions say to. Unlike my mailman who can’t seem to put a letter in the damn mailbox or leave packages at the door, he just dumps them in the middle of the driveway.
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+1, although our mailman is responsible as well.

premise said:
Am I the only one that doesn't use Amazon just because I absolutely despise their delivery drivers?

I've had 3 or 4 of those turds nigh about run over me while I'm standing in the street.
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Damn, and they keep missing?
Hum, Low Point Value.
 
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