Marine Corps replacing Trijicon RCO...

So...they are switching from the ACOG to the VCOG so they do not have a point of aim shift when adjusting through the optic's magnification range...only adjusting point of aim on target, same as they would do with irons.
 
Derek8404 said:
Basically it’s a renamed VCOG. Smart move, much better choice that the ACOG.
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I mostly agree

What’s the difference in unit cost? Were they being properly taught the bindon aiming concept? Just like not every soldier needed an ACOG or Aimpoint, not every Marine needs a VCOG. Front line troops? Hell yes. I’m down for that

It will make it easier to tune the optic for particular engagements, will double the max magnification for PID situations and (hopefully) improve combat effectiveness


Unrelated: are line units in the Marines still being issued suppressors or did that not take off like I hoped it would?
 
11B CIB said:
I mostly agree

What’s the difference in unit cost? Were they being properly taught the bindon aiming concept? Just like not every soldier needed an ACOG or Aimpoint, not every Marine needs a VCOG. Front line troops? Hell yes. I’m down for that

It will make it easier to tune the optic for particular engagements, will double the max magnification for PID situations and (hopefully) improve combat effectiveness


Unrelated: are line units in the Marines still being issued suppressors or did that not take off like I hoped it would?
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This is only going to go to the line units, and no, they never made any progress getting cans issued. The scout sniper platoon Marines have had them for a long time but not the regular platoons.
 
11B CIB said:
I mostly agree

What’s the difference in unit cost? Were they being properly taught the bindon aiming concept? Just like not every soldier needed an ACOG or Aimpoint, not every Marine needs a VCOG. Front line troops? Hell yes. I’m down for that

It will make it easier to tune the optic for particular engagements, will double the max magnification for PID situations and (hopefully) improve combat effectiveness


Unrelated: are line units in the Marines still being issued suppressors or did that not take off like I hoped it would?
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Suppressors were a trial, I don't know that they were invested in pushing it corps-wide. COTS versions of the 1-8x optic are about a grand; of course, you know they are getting them cheaper per unit.

I do not know if they are going to infantry units only, or all units.
 
Here is the Trijicon news release :

Trijicon VCOG® 1-8x28 Selected as USMC Squad Common Optic...

https://www.trijicon.com/community/post/trijicon-vcog-1-8x28-selected-as-usmc-squad-common-optic


Wixom, MI — Trijicon, Inc., global provider of innovative aiming solutions for the hunting, shooting, military, and law enforcement markets, is pleased to announce the selection of the Trijicon VCOG (Variable Combat Optical Gunsight) 1-8x28 riflescope as the U.S. Marine Corps’ Squad Common Optic (SCO). The $64,000,000 contract award will begin with delivery of units in 2020. Trijicon will manufacture the SCO at its Wixom, Michigan factory.

“Our warfighters deserve the very best equipment in defense of our nation. The Marine Corps’ SCO evaluation process was extremely rigorous, and we are honored that the VCOG was selected to continue the tradition of battle-proven riflescopes that the Trijicon ACOG began in 2004 as the Marine Corps’ first Rifle Combat Optic,” said Stephen Bindon, Trijicon President & CEO.

Specifically designed for Close Quarter Battle and long distance marksmanship, the Trijicon VCOG 1-8x28 is forged from a nearly indestructible 7075-T6 aluminum housing and is waterproof to 66 feet. The first focal plane reticle allows subtensions and drops to remain true at any magnification. Featuring ruggedized electronics, the VCOG includes eleven user-selectable brightness settings, including two night vision settings. An integrated dial fin allows easy rotation through the magnification range, and a near-constant eye relief means no head or stock position adjustments are needed. An integrated mounting adapter eliminates the need for conventional ring mounts, allowing users to quickly and easily mount the VCOG to any rail system.

“We introduced VCOG 1-8x28 to the commercial market in early 2019, but its design was inspired by requests from our warfighters. During design, development, and testing, we constantly challenged ourselves to produce a scope that would deliver the performance necessary in the most punishing of conditions,” said Chuck Wahr, Trijicon’s Global Vice-President of Sales & Marketing.

Trijicon is proud to count among its users every branch of the U.S. military, Special Operations Forces, U.S. Government agencies, state and local Law Enforcement, and many of America’s allies.
 
Chuckman said:
Suppressors were a trial, I don't know that they were invested in pushing it corps-wide. COTS versions of the 1-8x optic are about a grand; of course, you know they are getting them cheaper per unit.

I do not know if they are going to infantry units only, or all units.
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1-8 VCOGs are closer to $2k for us common folk ($1870 at optics planet), but I agree that DoD will be getting them muuuuch cheaper
 
Not sure adding variable power to the equation doesn’t open up for Murphy to show up. Marines can destroy bowling balls ... ACOG’s are pretty simple and damn robust. Adding the extra parts, especially moving parts, also adds another point of failure.
 
Bear with me here guys, I have never used an ACOG but I do have a Trijicon 1-4x24 on one of my ARs and that is similar to what I see of the VCOG operationally.

Now knowing that many times Marines are not smart enough to lay down when they die. Why do we need to add more controls that must be manipulated in a high stress situation.

Why must we need the R hand to come off the trigger to adjust for range when the reticle seems to be graduated for >600 meters already.

I am not trying to a smart ass. When I was shooting and ducking at the same time I had to compensate for range by adjusting POA.

Maybe I just need the coloring book they give these guys for instructions!
 
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BatteryOaksBilly said:
$64 Million for 19 Thousand units=$3,368 each??? Help an old man out...what am I missing???
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I imagine the difference would be all units coming with lens caps/kill flash units, possibly upgraded QD mounts, modified turret caps with the wire braid to prevent loss like you see on the RCO ACOGs, that type of thing. Good possibility they’re getting a unique reticle and other items.

Ben Jefferson said:
Now knowing that many times Marines are not smart enough to lay down when they die. Why do we need to add more controls that must be manipulated in a high stress situation.

Why must we need the R hand to come off the trigger to adjust for range when the reticle seems to be graduated for >600 meters already.
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Reaching up with the non firing hand to adjust magnification is a split second operation. Much faster and less involved than a mag change which they seem to do just fine during combat

All it takes is training on the optic and they’ll be fine
 
I have a Trijicon 1-8x28 that I got new for $980 delivered including tax. It is a great optic. They appear to be on clearance at opticsplanet now for $870. Normal price until recently was $1150ish IIRC. Anyway, at 870 they are a steal.
I suspect they want to sell a lot of VCOGs at 1900 without competing with themselves.
 
11B CIB said:
I mostly agree

What’s the difference in unit cost? Were they being properly taught the bindon aiming concept? Just like not every soldier needed an ACOG or Aimpoint, not every Marine needs a VCOG. Front line troops? Hell yes. I’m down for that

It will make it easier to tune the optic for particular engagements, will double the max magnification for PID situations and (hopefully) improve combat effectiveness


Unrelated: are line units in the Marines still being issued suppressors or did that not take off like I hoped it would?
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wouldnt suppressors be very disadvantageous to marine units with overheating? Front line marines work, to my knowledge, is a rather heavy “fire” operation.
 
Sigequinox220 said:
wouldnt suppressors be very disadvantageous to marine units with overheating? Front line marines work, to my knowledge, is a rather heavy “fire” operation.
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Special operations units using suppressers in training and in combat have been going pretty hard for almost two decades.

Having “BTDT” in a couple line units, I wish we’d had suppressors.
 
bigfelipe said:
Does this mean we can get cheap mil-surp ACOGs..?
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LOL, I have visions of boxes at DRMO.... but seriously, hell yeah I'd be down for a surplus ACOG....

@11B CIB we had units that had suppressors, and certain attached personnel with suppressors. I agree, it can absolutely be done. The Corps had that test unit outfitted with suppressors and backed off. To me it seemed like a no-brainer.
 
ew, surplus ACOG's. yes please. I have one with the red horseshoe reticle on my M4orgery. Love it.
 
bigfelipe said:
Does this mean we can get cheap mil-surp ACOGs..?
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And how much will Trijicon charge to refresh them? I know it depends on the model and illumination type ... and I’ve heard everything from no charge for original owners to over $500 but then internal were also replaced along with the tritium vials so it was pretty much a new ACOG.

I could almost see Trijicon taking the old miltary ACOG’s, refurbishing them and selling them as such ... and those military ACOG’s that don’t go thru that program get major charges for refresh. Trijicon would lose big bucks if they did their current type repair/replacement service.
 
My Trijicon 1-8 Accupower is a heavy beast, but I really like it as a do everything optic for a .300BO since the max range is about 400. Makes me wonder what the services are projecting as the next theater they need to be prepared for by obtaining these. The talk has been about getting better ammo/better rifles for Chineese/Russian body armor. Is this a piece of that puzzle or a different concern altogether?
 
Ive seen surplus acogs go for $400 or so after the sale had ended. I'd pay that for a used one . Great optics .
 
Timfoilhat said:
My Trijicon 1-8 Accupower is a heavy beast, but I really like it as a do everything optic for a .300BO since the max range is about 400. Makes me wonder what the services are projecting as the next theater they need to be prepared for by obtaining these. The talk has been about getting better ammo/better rifles for Chineese/Russian body armor. Is this a piece of that puzzle or a different concern altogether?
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The MC is shifting ("pivoting" they call it) to near-peer adversaries, and being forward-deployed.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/ne...rines-will-get-the-gear-to-make-it-a-reality/

https://thediplomat.com/2013/05/the-us-marine-corps-in-the-pivot-to-the-pacific/
 
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