Marines consider closing Parris Island & MCRD San Diego

Yes or No...

Is it true they have a STRESS card now?

That has been a rumor since I went through in 91. I don’t think it's true and probably similar to the pop rocks and coke stories.

Great post, and a time I wish we had a 'love' button.

I laughed out loud at the bolded/italicized/underlined. I think the phrase we used was something like "doing so much with so little for so long we can do anything with nothing." When I was with recon and they'd send us to multi-service school, they would tell us--unofficially--"rat fu@& any gear adrift..." We had Vietnam-era equipment, always the last to get new stuff. But we made do.

When I told my old man (a Vietnam veteran) that I had Vietnam era equipment he laughed and said "So that's where my issue ended up. They gave me WWII stuff"
 
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Obviously some people flunked high school English and weren't paying attention in boot camp either.
Titles are always CAPITALIZED. We earned the TITLE "Marine", therefore it should always be Capitalized when referring to a United States Marine. marine without the capital letter refers to sea life like whale poop at the bottom of the ocean.

Now you know. :)

Lol, I was typing on my phone while waiting to dump at the landfill. I went back and caught as many as I could.
 
First, I am not a fan off integrated training for many reasons (some of which you pointed out).

Second, I have mixed feelings about removing ANY military traditions, especially in the Marines and Navy (aside from my own service, I have skin in the game: my father, my grandmother, and several cousins have been in the Navy and Marines...and in this purpose, I do not hold distinction between the two).

That said, tradition is peer pressure from dead people, and while it holds a significant place, that simply cannot be an argument for why an organization or institution chooses to do something. In fact, arguing tradition is part of the downfall for many organizations, institutions, and cultures. So there must be a balance between tradition and evolution.

Having served and grown up on many fine Marine bases in base housing not fit for an animal (here's looking at you, Lejeune!), I err on the side of history and tradition, and based on my personal beliefs, I think it unwise to git rid of either PI or MCRD SD much less integrate in boot.

Regarding history, your first point is historically spot on (re: 'old breed'), but there remains historical ambiguity about 'devil dogs'; there are some sources that it was created by the mighty USMC PR machine (which, truthfully, is without peer....).

But here's a question: what makes a Marine, a Marine? Asking you to get philosophical. Core values? Esprit de corps? Narrow and rigid culture?
Devil dogs was a name given by Germans during WWI to those in the Corps; teudel hunden
 
Devil dogs was a name given by Germans during WWI to those in the Corps; teudel hunden

Yes, that's what everyone has thought, however there's been some indication that what we thought was not entirely accurate. I can happily send you the articles if you're interested.
 
Yes, that's what everyone has thought, however there's been some indication that what we thought was not entirely accurate. I can happily send you the articles if you're interested.
Sure, it would be nice if you could post it on here for everybody to see. Here is a link to the name’s history; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog# . This was also taught to me during boot camp 1968 so I would think the Corps would know their own past but then all things history have more than one side.
 
@OldNascar :

https://www.thoughtco.com/german-myth-teufelshunde-devil-dogs-1444315

https://www.stripes.com/blogs-archi...n-the-phrase-devil-dogs-1.130602#.X3XEsNpKiUl

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33737-the-usmc-devil-dog-conundrum/

https://www.realclearhistory.com/2017/05/31/the_legend_and_myth_of_039devil_dogs039_2491.html


While the conventional wisdom MAY be true; there's no reliable history that seems to prove it without a shadow of doubt. For the record, as the son and a grandson of Marines, the nephew and cousin of Marines, and having served the bulk of my own Naval service serving with the Marines, it's a great name for the Marines and certainly adds to the mythos of the Corps.
 
Sorry, I don’t see a thing that says there was no incident of the word being used as such but rather a question of the accuracy of the reporting; who cares. Mainly it was a PR exercise that carries weight to this day. No doubt they earned the name and as with any part of history once those involved are deceased out comes the doubters with their pens to cash in on another best seller.
 
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Sorry, I don’t see a thing that says there was no incident of the word being used as such but rather a question of the accuracy of the reporting; who cares. Mainly it was a PR exercise that carries weight to this day. No doubt they earned the name and as with any part of history once those involved are deceased out comes the doubters with their pens to cash in on another best seller.

Maybe, maybe not. Dogma dies hard in the Naval service.
 
While we have attachments to places as it has meanings to us, they are not absolute. Have gone thru the base closures in the Army in the 90s when the Army went from 20 active divisions down to 10. Lots of closures. That's why we put up statues at those and continue to drive on at other locations. 5th SFGA used to be at Ft Bragg then moved to Ft Campbell Ky. 10th SFGA was in Germany, moved to Ft Devens MA then to Ft Carson Co. The posts in Germany were originally in Bad Tolz and down the Alps in Lenngiries. Lenngiries closed when the Group moved to MA and only Tolz remained. Tolz later shut down in 91' and moved outside Stuttgart Germany. Now we're shutting everything down in Astan. Time marches on.


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