Slappy McTrigger
My Own Safe Space
Dad still got him on that slide into the low port though. I was surprised I didn’t hear anyone holler “SAFE!”
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Been thinking this for a while. We should do it.
Yeah, I gotta fuss at Zack about that.
Yeah, I gotta fuss at Zack about that.
Last time we ran that classifier I slid, tore my brand new pants and my knee up. This time knee pads.
Of course @Matthew Wolff put the knee pad on his right knee then kneeled on his left.
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Yeah, well I gonna bring Tonya Harding and friends with me next time I shoot with him.
Us old people got tricks
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Fine, we’ll just call him Nancy and save the hassles
Fixed it.
Don't worry, they still don't look as bad as yers.
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But that looked way beyound 180 at the shooter. That should have been a DQ fest.
Are there any other videos that show a hopefully better understanding?
There was no 180. There was 2 posts at the start of the bay that were the DQ line. You could not shoot the stage with out breaking the traditional 180. I voiced my opinion but we shot it anyways.
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Yes. Nothing was on the bay to the top right. All squad members stayed behind a rope. It was "safe" but if I never shoot one again I'd be ok with it.
Wow..was that the top hill of the bay?
The “safe area” was/is in the direction of fire.
Damn, that would have become another range that I would have been banned from due to me voicing my opinion of that stage.
No.
There were a handful of targets on the opposite side of the course of fire from the safe area available through wall openings that would have broken the 180 in a legal USPSA stage. You were not shooting in the direction of the safe area, nothing was available that could have you shoot in the direction of the safe area. The commonly encountered start position with with targets requiring a wide as legal transition is often closer to the "safe area"/where people are waiting. The worst target here was no where near parallel to the roped border and certainly not towards the safe area. The RO and scorekeeper had to be on their toes, but I don't feel there was any abnormal safety concern. It was different for non 3-gunners, it was not legal for the game being played, that is all.
I understand that it was an “illegal” stage, but why was rule 10.5.2 ignored for everyone that shot it that way?
hlpressley
Member
I actually enjoyed that stage. It presented a new challenge not often seen in matches. Not great for hosing, which is likely why most didn’t care for it...
I dunno man, I drug out the ol' book, now I'm not even sure it was "illegal", I'm probably missing something, which is why I typically don't argue rules and don't care to RO.
Stage construction rules 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 2.1.4 all seemed to be satisfied.
10.5.2 says "the backstop" not a backstop, so does specific berm need to be specified as "the backstop" or could any suitable berm act as "the backstop" if unspecified? The competitor was not required to go beyond 90° to the median intercept of a substantial berm. "Up range" is only a condition in absence of a backstop, which is sort of comical as the only mention of "up range" in the glossary is contingent on the presence of a backstop.
However, I did not see anything about what is acceptable for specifying what the safe angles are, nor how to deal with violations. Is the WSB considered reasonable directions of a Match Official making violations of stipulations therein covered by 10.6.1?
@Beef15, starting with rule 10.5.2.
Then go to page 57 and define “backstop” and “berm”. Then the facing uprange and or down range.
If the right side berm is determined the back stop, there is your 90* median intercept.
If the backstop is defined by design or stage brief, then ther is your 90*.
Same as the left side.
http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/126945-180-rule/
Post #14 may shed some light from Troy
This definitely raises some curiosity, and looks like a 180 could never be broken untill seriously dug into
Then go to page 57 and define “backstop” and “berm”. Then the facing uprange and or down range.
If the right side berm is determined the back stop, there is your 90* median intercept.
If the backstop is defined by design or stage brief, then ther is your 90*.
Same as the left side.
http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/126945-180-rule/
Post #14 may shed some light from Troy
This definitely raises some curiosity, and looks like a 180 could never be broken untill seriously dug into
FatboyFlash
Senior Member
From Troy back in 2011
No such thing as a roaming 180, and if some state match or other called it that, they were wrong.
The 180 can be shifted to be parallel to the back of the course of fire, especially if the stage is set into the corner and designed to be shot "diagonally", but just because you have a corner there doesn't mean it moves. The way that stage is laid out, the 180 is parallel to the backstop.
Troy
No such thing as a roaming 180, and if some state match or other called it that, they were wrong.
The 180 can be shifted to be parallel to the back of the course of fire, especially if the stage is set into the corner and designed to be shot "diagonally", but just because you have a corner there doesn't mean it moves. The way that stage is laid out, the 180 is parallel to the backstop.
Troy
Slappy McTrigger
My Own Safe Space
Not sure those first few “hits” made minor!
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