Medication and sleep

Amitriptyline is used to treat symptoms of depression. Amitriptyline is in a class of medications called tricyclic antidepressants. It works by increasing the amounts of certain natural substances in the brain that are needed to maintain mental balance.
(googled it.)
Edit, I know you're not depressed but meds are often use off-label for things....ask me how I know....lol.
 
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Amitriptyline is used to treat symptoms of depression. Amitriptyline is in a class of medications called tricyclic antidepressants. It works by increasing the amounts of certain natural substances in the brain that are needed to maintain mental balance.
(googled it.)
Edit, I know you're not depressed but meds are often use off-label for things....ask me how I know....lol.
that sounds like it!
But Im not bummed out at all. I met a wonderful woman, I was having a great summer till the wreck and missing hockey, everything is a o k
 
It didn't necessarily get prescribed for depression. Hydroxyzine is also technically considered an "antidepressnt" but is also prescribed for a grab bag of other stuff, from anti-itching to a sleep aid. I've taken it as a sleep aid, but it kept me groggy all the next day, so it was a no-go for me.
 
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Let me be clear - Im not depressed and never had issues sleeping before this.
I was prescribed this because of recurring headaches since my accident.
It sucks. I dont think I hit my head or anything, but for over two months Ive gotten the same headache. Same place, just droning on. Though, and i may have mentioned earlier, it's not been as bad the last week. Well, until this afternoon, but maybe that's due to last night's 'sleep'

Ive never had a prescription that lasted more than a week before, just stuff like tamiflu or a zpack etc
I dont like taking medicines

The medicine is Amitrip...something.
I just want to be normal again.
Reading much/for very long gives me a headache...I freaking love to read! I miss it.
I miss hockey.
Headaches could be from sensitivity to light over long periods or looking at a screen or from a nerve pinch from the accident.
 
I asked the girl, she said she 'doesnt think Im getting fatter' ... but some shirts i wore when we first met are a little tighter now. F my life.
I freaking hate this. If I would have left work a minute earlier or two later then maybe none of this ever happened.
 
Headaches could be from sensitivity to light over long periods or looking at a screen or from a nerve pinch from the accident.
Ive used blue light glasses for a while and they've been GREAT for reducing headache. But some days it just hits me hard.
 
A suggestion that works for my wife is CBD oil (no THC).
CBD oil didn’t work for me, I get couple hours of sleep at night but since I work from home and in control of my schedule I take at least an hour nap in the afternoon.

There is still THC in CBD oil and once a certain level of saturation is achieved everyone is possible to test positive for marijuana by urine. There are several legal cases currently in the courts on this very subject. I believe it was a teacher in Union county tested positive and was fired currently has a case pending.
 
WEe've been told that if there is any trace of THC we'll lose our job, and since I have a bus license I get tested a few times a year
 
Please read, I only had the sleep problem twice...when I didnt take it. ....but yes.
 
that sounds like it!
But Im not bummed out at all. I met a wonderful woman, I was having a great summer till the wreck and missing hockey, everything is a o k
I hope your noggin gets back with the normally scheduled program soon....I know this must all be immensely frustrating for you!
 
I’ve never taken anything for depression or sleep but I never seem to sleep. Once I start to snore I wake myself up immediately. It goes on all night. My sleep happens in nap form after working for about fours while sitting in a recliner.
@BlackGun if you haven’t been tested for sleep apnea, you need to be. The above sounds like it. You’re falling asleep, start snoring and likely stop breathing, and your body wakes you due to the lack of oxygen getting to your brain. Sometimes you fully wake (often with a jerk like you’ve been startled) and sometimes just enough to start breathing again before drifting deeper and repeating the cycle.
 
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Let me be clear - Im not depressed and never had issues sleeping before this.
I was prescribed this because of recurring headaches since my accident.
It sucks. I dont think I hit my head or anything, but for over two months Ive gotten the same headache. Same place, just droning on. Though, and i may have mentioned earlier, it's not been as bad the last week. Well, until this afternoon, but maybe that's due to last night's 'sleep'

Ive never had a prescription that lasted more than a week before, just stuff like tamiflu or a zpack etc
I dont like taking medicines

The medicine is Amitrip...something.
I just want to be normal again.
Reading much/for very long gives me a headache...I freaking love to read! I miss it.
I miss hockey.

MICRO, and I mean MICRO, dose of LSD. Not enough to hallucinate. Known to help headaches/migraines/cluster headaches and in a lot of situations keeps them from coming back even in chronic sufferers


Also, try red or green leaf Kratom. Red is best either in low dose during the day or higher once you’re at home for the evening as it’s not uncommon to cause drowsiness. Aids with headache (And pain) relief and you’ll have some vivid dreams.

Green leaf is a medium between red and white leaf (White is more of a stimulant effect and I haven’t used it because of this). Better for during the day use to avoid being sleepy at work, etc
 
MICRO, and I mean MICRO, dose of LSD. Not enough to hallucinate. Known to help headaches/migraines/cluster headaches and in a lot of situations keeps them from coming back even in chronic sufferers


Also, try red or green leaf Kratom. Red is best either in low dose during the day or higher once you’re at home for the evening as it’s not uncommon to cause drowsiness. Aids with headache (And pain) relief and you’ll have some vivid dreams.

Green leaf is a medium between red and white leaf (White is more of a stimulant effect and I haven’t used it because of this). Better for during the day use to avoid being sleepy at work, etc

That Kraton stuff looks like barf. You be crazy man.

@HMP a business associate of mine used to get cluster headaches and he used some pepper spray up the nose thing. He said it burned like hell for a few seconds, but got rid of the headaches. Hot peppers cure everything. They are always the answer. Start making scrambled eggs every morning with a bunch of hot peppers in there. No headaches and likely no colon cancer.:D
 
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That Kraton stuff looks like barf. You be crazy man.

@HMP a business associate of mine used to get cluster headaches and he used some pepper spray up the nose thing. He said it burned like hell for a few seconds, but got rid of the headaches. Hot peppers cure everything. They are always the answer. Start making scrambled eggs every morning with a bunch of hot peppers in there. No headaches and likely no colon cancer.:D

It’s a green powder (or capsule). I prefer the powder simply due to cost ratio. Mix with water and pound it down. It’s bitter but not so bad it’s unbearable
 
You should see if your work tests for the presence of shrooms and lsd
Both of those have a lot of history/research backing them up as effective for headaches/migraines at doses well below the psychedelic levels
Not surprisingly, antidepressants work on related neurotransmitter systems, which is probably why you got given a bottle of them.
Of course I'd never advocate using illegal controlled substances, but if I was you and I wanted to get through the day without my headache meds messing up my life, I might look into "Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS" out of curiosity.

sigh, I miss research.
 
You should see if your work tests for the presence of shrooms and lsd
Both of those have a lot of history/research backing them up as effective for headaches/migraines at doses well below the psychedelic levels
Not surprisingly, antidepressants work on related neurotransmitter systems, which is probably why you got given a bottle of them.
Of course I'd never advocate using illegal controlled substances, but if I was you and I wanted to get through the day without my headache meds messing up my life, I might look into "Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS" out of curiosity.

sigh, I miss research.
Tim Ferriss much? Aren’t spores legal? If so are they available for purchase locally?
https://maps.org/

[URL]https://fungi.com/[/URL]
 
Let me state that shrooms or lsd etc will never be used
Ive made a vow to never consume/use narcotics, I cant do that.
Next Wednesday I have appointment with Neurologist, Im curious how it goes and will keep you all updated.

I want to say THANK YOU so much for the many PMs that I received. This community...wow.
Those who take the same stuff, those with ideas to help etc
Yall are great.
 
"...but boss, I know what the urine test said, but the acid was just for my headaches.... really! "
 
@BlackGun if you haven’t been tested for sleep apnea, you need to be. The above sounds like it. You’re falling asleep, start snoring and likely stop breathing, and your body wakes you due to the lack of oxygen getting to your brain. Sometimes you fully wake (often with a jerk like you’ve been startled) and sometimes just enough to start breathing again before drifting deeper and repeating the cycle.
I know you are absolutely right. My breathing is like gasping for air. I have not taken my thyroid medicine in 6 months with nothing to do but show up and give a blood test to verify correct dosage. I have gained 20 pounds recently. I feel like crap and when you feel like crap you go further down hill exercising less. My kneck has gotten 2 sizes larger. My tongue also (ladies don’t get excited). I need to eat better and take the thyroid pills on time and consistently. That alone should help some with the snoring and gasping for oxygen.
 
I know you are absolutely right. My breathing is like gasping for air. I have not taken my thyroid medicine in 6 months with nothing to do but show up and give a blood test to verify correct dosage. I have gained 20 pounds recently. I feel like crap and when you feel like crap you go further down hill exercising less. My kneck has gotten 2 sizes larger. My tongue also (ladies don’t get excited). I need to eat better and take the thyroid pills on time and consistently. That alone should help some with the snoring and gasping for oxygen.
people with larger necks (even if you aren’t overweight) are predisposed to apnea. I’m on synthroid too for an under active thyroid, due to them killing off too much of it years ago to treat hyperthyroidism.

edited to add: I am overweight also, need to drop a significant amount of weight, working on that now. But the Dr who put me on cpap therapy several years ago mentioned that I had likely needed to be on a machine most of my adult life (even when I wasn’t overweight) due to my neck size and the fact my throat was shaped oddly which made it easier for it to collapse shutting down my airway.
 
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Let me state that shrooms or lsd etc will never be used
Ive made a vow to never consume/use narcotics, I cant do that.
Next Wednesday I have appointment with Neurologist, Im curious how it goes and will keep you all updated.

I want to say THANK YOU so much for the many PMs that I received. This community...wow.
Those who take the same stuff, those with ideas to help etc
Yall are great.
Just because the government has scheduled things like MDMA, LSD, etc doesn’t mean there aren’t benefits to them outside of the “getting high” scene. That’s why micro dosing is the key. You don’t hallucinate.

This stemmed from people who were desperate for help, since migraines and cluster headaches are so extremely debilitating, and there are no real treatments for cluster headaches besides pure oxygen and that only reduces the amount of hours in duration.

Since these substances are Schedule I here in the US (and we all know how the Gov classifies things makes perfect sense) a hospital in Switzerland is in its second phase of clinical trials of micro dosed lysergic acid.

You may have taken a vow against narcotics but in minuscule amounts that don’t provide a high/trip/etc, it acts as a medication. Not telling you to take it by any means, just letting you know there’s more to this stuff than the DARE “this is your brain on drugs” propaganda would have you believe.
 
that sounds like it!
But Im not bummed out at all. I met a wonderful woman, I was having a great summer till the wreck and missing hockey, everything is a o k

Tricyclic antidepressants are not used for antidepressants any longer. They work, but they are very unstable in that population. One of the off-label uses now is for headaches, and for that population, it can work great. A couple of other examples are trazodone and doxepin, both classic (i.e., 'old') antidepressants, but no longer used for depression, but now commonly used for sleep issues.
 
Let me state that shrooms or lsd etc will never be used
Ive made a vow to never consume/use narcotics, I cant do that.
Next Wednesday I have appointment with Neurologist, Im curious how it goes and will keep you all updated.

I want to say THANK YOU so much for the many PMs that I received. This community...wow.
Those who take the same stuff, those with ideas to help etc
Yall are great.
not even a problem fam. i got you.
last i checked, by strict definition "narcotics" are opioids that make you drowsy ... narc- being from the greek word for stupor, morphine being named after Morpheus, the greek god of sleep - all that root word stuff. the law likes to use "narcotic" to describe all sorts of things it doesn't apply to.
Shrooms and lsd are NOT narcotics and fall into the category of psychedelics/psychotropics, words stemming from the greek for bringing about the mind, or acting on it.
But you do you. Just remember that most illegal drugs are illegal because of politics, benefits and history be damned. Weed is still a schedule 1 drug, which is even more double illegaler than crack and meth, because officially it has a high potential for abuse and no medical usefulness - even though there are volumes of literature on its usefulness, low addictive potential, and the FDA has approved marinol/dronabinol - which has has an active ingredient of d9-THC - the exact thing that people breed weed to have high concentrations of. Yup, weed is worse for you than crack and meth, and anybody who disagrees has the DEA to answer to.
The drug you're being given now has some of its highest affinity for receptors and transporters involved in the seroronin pathways - which is what shrooms and lsd also act on (how they act on it is a whole different issue and you get into a whole mess of pharmacodynamics real fast). I'm not telling you to do evil drugs, i'm just saying you should look at MAPS and their stuff to learn something new - after all, they do generally have a booth at the Society for Neuroscience conference...
 
@DrScaryGuy please understand me not using drugs does not have to do with it being illegal. I dont drink, that's legal, but it's a choice i made almost two decades ago, I chose straight edge as a lifestyle and not looked back brother
Google it, if youre inclined.
But, again, it's not about it being illegal or legal, just my personal preference
 
I do not know this for sure ... only heresay from a co-worker so take it with a grain of salt ...

If you are having trouble falling asleep or other sleep type problem do you use your compute, tablet or phone right before going to bed? There is some study (which we all know study’s can be biased or even rigged) that says the light source of many personal devices emits a certain type or wave of light of blue light (blue light from computers has shown to cause eye strain and cause headaches with extended use) can interfere with the product of melatonin at normal levels which can make it harder to fall asleep.

Little side note ... I’ve said for years not to watch the news, political BS or anything that makes your thoughts race an hour or so before bed ... watch something silly or such that you just veg out with to relax and not get worked up on ... maybe we should just turn on a nice soothing music source kinda like rain on a tin roof puts me out like a light.
 
I do not know this for sure ... only heresay from a co-worker so take it with a grain of salt ...

If you are having trouble falling asleep or other sleep type problem do you use your compute, tablet or phone right before going to bed? There is some study (which we all know study’s can be biased or even rigged) that says the light source of many personal devices emits a certain type or wave of light of blue light (blue light from computers has shown to cause eye strain and cause headaches with extended use) can interfere with the product of melatonin at normal levels which can make it harder to fall asleep.
iOS devices (I’m sure android based devices have a similar option) have something called “night shift” it’s under the display and brightness section of the settings, it takes out most of the “blue light” and replaces it with warmer tones. Exactly for the reasons you posted above. They’ve had it for a few OSs now. You can set it on a timer to come on automatically every night.
 
@DrScaryGuy please understand me not using drugs does not have to do with it being illegal. I dont drink, that's legal, but it's a choice i made almost two decades ago, I chose straight edge as a lifestyle and not looked back brother
Google it, if youre inclined.
But, again, it's not about it being illegal or legal, just my personal preference
i'm aware of the sXe kids.
My point is that you're okay with taking a pill your doctor says for a use that it was not originally intended and can have a lot of unintended side effects. meanwhile, there are other options that may work just as well without the side effects. To me, somebody who hasn't eaten meat in over 27 years, what you're saying is in line with people who claim to be vegetarians but still eat fish. and also some chicken sometimes. and a little bacon once in a while.
I hate taking any medicine, but sometimes i gotta go ahead and do it anyway because sometimes i gotta do what i gotta do. I'm not a fan of weed, but if i had a condition where thc could treat what ailed me with fewer side effects than a prescribed pill, i might considet it.
 
i'm aware of the sXe kids.
My point is that you're okay with taking a pill your doctor says for a use that it was not originally intended and can have a lot of unintended side effects. meanwhile, there are other options that may work just as well without the side effects. To me, somebody who hasn't eaten meat in over 27 years, what you're saying is in line with people who claim to be vegetarians but still eat fish. and also some chicken sometimes. and a little bacon once in a while.
I hate taking any medicine, but sometimes i gotta go ahead and do it anyway because sometimes i gotta do what i gotta do. I'm not a fan of weed, but if i had a condition where thc could treat what ailed me with fewer side effects than a prescribed pill, i might considet it.
You make a very valid point, but I just cant man
I HATE medications, I dont want to be on this (and hopefully wont be much longer, Ive had a pretty "good" week this week after Monday).
But I just cant get behind some of the other things like has been suggested.
Hell, Ive been offered stronger pain pills from docs and refused, like to keep to OTC.

I truly thank you for your time and efforts on suggesting things to me, sincerely. I just cant man, Im sure you understand.
 
I share here because I have met many of you, had some great conversation with many of you.
By my birthday, which is 11 days away, I'll be done with medicines.
Im playing hockey again...and not the beginner league with no contact at all either. Hockey.
Im reading.
I still wear my blue light glasses all the time on a computer and I think I'll keep that up, I dont mind it at all.

But last night, per my doc, I started to ween off this medicine Ive been on for a while. It's not the one that initially was on when I made this thread, thank God. That medicine F'd me up.
No, no more anti-depressant meds that screw you up/your sleep up if you miss a pill(s).
Just no more pills.
I kept pills everywhere. In my car. At girlfriend's house. In both bags I carry regularly. And then, of course, on the kitchen counter by the sink where I get my water.

Nah, Im wrapping this up. Almost a year of this.

And next Wednesday I have a phone call with someone that hopefully will be very important for me financially, cause these medical bills blow even with insurance. Ive paid out a grand or so and I got more to go.

I feel freaking good gents.
 
I've been taking a generic zquil for a couple years to sleep. I just discovered why my calcium level is up.... I really had to dig to find it but I've been taking 130mg of calcium a night.... sigh...

I can fall asleep in a split second but between 2-3 I will wake up with a start, mind racing and thinking about ridiculous crap. Nearly every night....

I'm going to have to ask the Dr. for something or suggestions that are NOT considered anti-depressants preferably. She won't prescribe anything habit forming. I can't say Melatonin doesn't help but it's not enough. I do a run/walk everyday between 2 and 3 miles depending on the time I have available. My job is pretty high stress. Managing my BP with lisinopril (114/66)

I didn't start drinking until I was 40 and it was just to help me sleep.
 
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