MI SoS bans guns 100ft from polling places - lawsuits are starting

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It's not NC... but it's a pattern that will get here.

SoS has unilaterally decreed that OC guns are no longer allowed at polling places, dropoff places, or 100ft around. There is NO law to support this. It flies in the traditions that have been part of MI voting for a long time. I've OC'd while voting because some of the polling places have actual laws against concealed carry (e.g. schools) but OC was always allowed because the immediate voting area and polling place itself was considered part of the state, not a secure area, and entered a special category of laws when you were going to or coming from voting.

And yes, multiple gun groups are already throwing money at lawyers to fight this IMMEDIATELY.

Here's the really dangerous part - Imagine you go to OC, but they tell you you can't wear a gun - you've already broken the law just to find out... so maybe you go lock it up in the car... except that some municipalities have started passing laws against locking your gun in your car. So that's 2 laws you've just broken.

It's 100% obvious who they're trying to suppress...

DET NEWS LINK Lansing — Michigan is prohibiting the open carry of guns within 100 feet of polling places amid fears of voter intimidation during the pivotal Nov. 3 election, prompting criticism from the National Rifle Associationand the possibility of a lawsuit from Second Amendment advocates.

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson sent guidance to local election officials on Friday — 18 days before Election Day — to clarify that the open carry of firearms on Election Day in polling places, clerk’s offices and absent voter counting boards is banned.

"The presence of firearms at the polling place, clerk’s office(s), or absent voter counting board may cause disruption, fear or intimidation for voters, election workers and others present," the new guidance says.

"Absent clear standards, there is potential for confusion and uneven application of legal requirements for Michigan’s 1,600 election officials, 30,000 election inspectors, 8 million registered voters and thousands of challengers and poll watchers on Election Day," it adds.

The National Rifle Association said Friday the directive would "do nothing to improve public safety."

"Any criminal or agitator intent on committing an illegal act isn't going to pay attention to this directive," NRA spokeswoman Amy Hunter said. "Therefore, this ill-conceived action only eradicates the right to self-defense by law-abiding Michiganders."

Benson, who cited her role as the state's chief election official, is working with Attorney General Dana Nessel and Michigan State Police Director Col. Joe Gasper to ensure "Michigan voters are safe and secure when voting by informing local law enforcement agencies and ensuring that the ban on openly carried firearms is enforced statewide," according to a statement from her office.

“Fair, free and secure elections are the foundation of our democracy,” Benson said. “I am committed to ensuring all eligible Michigan citizens can freely exercise their fundamental right to vote without fear of threats, intimidation or harassment.

"Prohibiting the open-carry of firearms in areas where citizens cast their ballots is necessary to ensure every voter is protected."

In an episode that aired Thursday, Nessel told Showtime's "The Circus" show that she and law enforcement throughout the state had the responsibility to be prepared for "every potential scenario," including protecting voters and the tabulation of the ballots.

Facebook post. "These areas ARE NOT designated 'gun free zones.' Yes, Democrats want to take your guns and your Second Amendment rights away."

Consultation advised
The Michigan Sheriffs Association is advising elected sheriffs across the state to consult with their corporate counsels and local prosecutors about Benson’s decision, said Matt Saxton, CEO and executive director of the association.

Law enforcement agencies were still waiting on guidance from the attorney general on the matter as of Friday morning, Saxton said. Nessel's office said the directives were being sent out throughout the day Friday.

"It kind of puts law enforcement in the middle of this issue,” Saxton said. “Currently, law enforcement will have to follow the laws of the state of Michigan pertaining to polling stations and whether guns are allowed or not allowed.”

While Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-home and business closure orders were still in place, some sheriffs said they would not enforce the orders because they believed they were unconstitutional. The Michigan Supreme Court ended up ruling that they were.

Benson's guidance comes eight days after federal and state officials last week initially charged 13 men in an alleged kidnapping plot of Whitmer that included plans to storm the state Capitol and potentially do physical harm. At least two of the suspects openly carried weapons during anti-lockdown protests at the Capitol in the spring.

Six individuals face federal charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping, which is punishable by up to life in prison. Seven who are believed to be members and associates of a Michigan militia known as the Wolverine Watchmen have been charged under the state's anti-terrorism law, a 20-year felony. The charges were unveiled on Oct. 8.

A Wisconsin man who was arrested Thursday has been charged with material support of an act of terrorism, a 20-year felony.

Benson's election guidance also says, outside of 100 feet of a polling place, "if any person is acting in a way that would tend to intimidate, hinder or impede voters on the way to the polls," election inspectors should contact law enforcement.

The open carry of guns will be prohibited inside the state's polling places, in any hallways voters use to enter or exit them and "within 100 feet of any entrance to a building in which a polling place is located."

Voters may leave firearms inside their vehicles if they are parked within 100 feet of the buildings "if otherwise permitted by law to possess the firearm within the vehicle," the guidance says.

Concealed carry will be prohibited in any building that already prohibits it "unless an individual is authorized by the building," according to the guidance.

"Election inspectors should contact law enforcement immediately if these prohibitions are violated," the guidance says. "The prohibition on open carry does not apply to law enforcement officers acting in the course of their duties."

Embracing prohibition
The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan embraced Benson's guidance.

"The Supreme Court has long recognized that polling places should be an ‘island of calm,’ free from distraction and interference," ACLU of Michigan Executive Director Dave Noble said in a statement. "Therefore, just as people are not allowed to carry signs or pass out political literature within 100 feet of polling places, people should not be allowed to openly carry guns. Voting must be easy, accessible, and free of all barriers as it is the cornerstone of our democracy.”

Michigan Legislative Black Caucus Chairman and state Sen. Marshall Bullock, D-Detroit, hailed Benson's move as a way to protect minority voting rights.

“We support Secretary Benson’s decision in the wake of threats of violence from voices that espouse anti-government and white supremacist views, and who have been egged on with calls, dog whistles, and fear-mongering by people at various levels of government," Bullock said in a statement. "Ensuring that the right to vote is protected is wise and of paramount importance.”

President Donald Trump won Michigan in 2016 by 10,704 votes, his closet margin of victory nationally. But the Republican incumbent, who's being challenged by Democrat Joe Biden this fall, has raised concerns about the integrity of the upcoming election as absentee voting has been expanded because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

During the Sept. 29 debate in Cleveland, Trump urged his supporters "to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen."
 
The state of MI. The new Lexington and Concord.

There must be a brazilian hunting rifles in that state, and even the phuds are probably pissed.
 
The state of MI. The new Lexington and Concord.

There must be a brazilian hunting rifles in that state, and even the phuds are probably pissed.
I would imagine this is why the FBI is very publicly pushing useful idiots to form militias and get "caught" in their plot.
I can see stuff getting interesting there.
 
There's not many states in the US where the first day of deer season is a holiday.

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it's not officially a holiday. though it is considered movie day in many middle and high schools - for the students who show up.
 
Lawsuits won't matter, as we've seen even if the law is struck down (multiple times) they'll be able to continue to enforce it until all appeals, or "at least a few more weeks" by which time I won't matter any more.

It's an amazing time to be a tyrant, you don't even have to pretend to follow the rules anymore.
 
This could get dangerous for the SoS if someone is denied their right to vote because they showed up open carrying.

I would have taken the approach of just showing up, then suing in Federal court.
 
GOOD!!!! I want a ban on atf people also, 1000 yards from my firearms ...if I had any left form the accident ...
 
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This could get dangerous for the SoS if someone is denied their right to vote because they showed up open carrying.

I would have taken the approach of just showing up, then suing in Federal court.
don't worry, they are trolling for people who will be specifically injured by this and prevented from carrying into the polling place. And they are looking for a plaintiff who will make for an especially good publicity photo.

As for going anyway... that may be what people have to do - but that just tells us that the soap box hasn't worked, the ballot box is being denied, and the jury box is useless because the dictators say "i have other authority" and keep the police on their side...
 
yup. i meant to update last night.



MICHIGAN COURT OF CLAIMS AFFIRMS THAT SECRETARY OF STATE BENSON LACKS LEGAL BASIS TO PROHIBIT FIREARMS AT POLLING PLACES​
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Michigan Gun Owners (MGO), a 501(c)(3) Michigan non-profit organization dedicated to protecting the rights of Michigan citizens, as enumerated in the Second Amendment and Article 1, Section 6 of the Michigan Constitution, along with Michigan Open Carry (MOC) and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners (MCRGO) filed suit against Jocelyn Benson, Michigan Secretary of State for issuing an illegal and unconstitutional directive in an attempt to suppress the constitutionally protected rights of certain voters.

On October 16, 2020, Jocelyn Benson issued a directive ordering all local election officials to post signage at the entrance of the building where the polling place is located, as well as at entry of the room of the polling place. This signage states that the open carrying of a firearm is prohibited in a polling place.

Today, Michigan Court of Claims Judge Christopher Murray affirmed our argument that Secretary Benson lacks legal basis to make up her own rules/laws where firearms at the polls are concerned. Judge Murry granted our request for immediate injunctive relief, meaning Benson's edict is invalid and is not enforceable.

Michigan Attorney General, Dana Nessel has already issued a statement indicating that the defendants intend to file an immediate appeal to today's ruling, thus further wasting tax payer's dollars on trying to circumvent the Legislative Branch of government in their ongoing attempt to allow the Executive Branch to create their own laws and rules.

We sincerely hope that there will be no incidents of actual voter intimidation at the polls, or worse yet, violence of any type. We do not condone the use of firearms for illegal purposes of any kind. However, we are very pleased with the Court of Claims ruling today, protecting the rights of LAW ABIDING citizens of Michigan. We will continue to fight the Executive Branch's push to circumvent the Legislative Branch and restrict/revoke the rights of law abiding citizens by appealing this decision.

Finally, we want to THANK all of the folks that have made generous donations to our Legal Fund. We cannot do this without your support! The fight isn't over just yet, however.​


Donations for Michigan Gun Owners Legal Fund can be made at https://home.migunowners.org/donate/
 
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I'm not too torn up about this. Remember a couple of years ago when the Black Panthers were standing at the polling areas with their AR's? Trying to intimidate the little old ladies from voting Republican?
 
I'm not too torn up about this. Remember a couple of years ago when the Black Panthers were standing at the polling areas with their AR's? Trying to intimidate the little old ladies from voting Republican?
There were already laws in place to prevent voter intimidation and what they did was already illegal.
This is an order from a runaway (D) state govt, which has already been scolded by the courts for other orders that exceed their power, aimed at inconveniencing people who carry daily (R). Not too long ago there was a political rally planned in NC that had to be cancelled because none of the would-be-attendees were going to show up unarmed in this climate, and showing up armed is illegal.

This order is a sly attempt at voter suppression and is an illegal act by the government.

Don't fudd on me now.
 
I'm not too torn up about this. Remember a couple of years ago when the Black Panthers were standing at the polling areas with their AR's? Trying to intimidate the little old ladies from voting Republican?

Because a group of Black Panthers (or any other group) standing there flexing their biceps and cracking their knuckles wouldn't be intimidating enough?
 
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Lawsuits won't matter, as we've seen even if the law is struck down (multiple times) they'll be able to continue to enforce it until all appeals, or "at least a few more weeks" by which time I won't matter any more.

It's an amazing time to be a tyrant, you don't even have to pretend to follow the rules anymore.

Two-way street...

Amazing time to be a free citizen, for the exact same reason.
 
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There were already laws in place to prevent voter intimidation and what they did was already illegal.
This is an order from a runaway (D) state govt, which has already been scolded by the courts for other orders that exceed their power, aimed at inconveniencing people who carry daily (R). Not too long ago there was a political rally planned in NC that had to be cancelled because none of the would-be-attendees were going to show up unarmed in this climate, and showing up armed is illegal.

This order is a sly attempt at voter suppression and is an illegal act by the government.

Don't fudd on me now.
So you think that Republicans are seeing this and saying "I really want to go vote but not without my gat." "That'll show em".
 
MI....the same place that earlier today mandated that restaurants keep a log of your name, phone number and time in/out when going to a restaurant.

I'm headed there in a couple weeks for the steelhead run....not sure it's worth it.
 
Those panthers will be joined by the other commies next Tuesday around here....Philly. The mayor just removed non lethal options for the police so this should get interesting.
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pretty big difference between standing at the polling place in a menacing manner and just going about your business, which happens to be voting, with a holstered firearm on your hip. why do i need to forgo one right to exercise another?
 
pretty big difference between standing at the polling place in a menacing manner and just going about your business, which happens to be voting, with a holstered firearm on your hip. why do i need to forgo one right to exercise another?
there are lots of court rulings in many jurisdictions that say you don't have to. unfortunately they never seem to apply at the right times or nobody cares.
 
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