Micro dot for scope

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  1. Chuckman

    Chuckman Senior Member Sponsor

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    Thanks to @jmccracken1214 I have an 18 in precision AR upper. I was planning to sell or trade my 4.5-14 scope for a LPVO, now thinking about getting a microdot and mounting it to the top of my scope as is.

    Thoughts? Pro's? Cons?
     
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    I’ll be watching this thread as I’m considering doing the same thing since I have an extra RMR I’m not using right now. I’m thinking of using a offset mount and mounting it on the receiver under the front of the optic. My thoughts are, if the scope took a hard hit then the red dot would likely be useless too if it was mounted to the scope.
     
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    I like RMRs better than Docter brand; don’t have experience with Burris Fast Fires or Vortex Venom. Predominately my experience has been with piggybacked ACOGs versus offset with a scope.

    I would suggest a 50/200 zero unless your courses of fire that you’ll be using it with requires something else, although it should get you close

    Positioning forward or backward depends on ejection pattern, and scope ocular/objective lenses, how much rail space you’ve got, the MOA of the dot, your own eyes etc

    The smaller 1 MOA dots are probably going to be better than a larger 3.25MOA dot like you’d use on a pistol...

    I’m sure I’m missing something
     
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    I would definitely go with a 45 degree mount. You'll get a much lower height over bore offset than with a top of scope mount. Look at how high your elevation turret on your scope sits. Your line of sight on the micro RDS will have to clear that.

    I have an RMR on a 3x acog in an ADM qd mount that is lower than the factory mount. That RMR is about as high as I would want to go. Yours would have to be higher I would imagine.

    I'd recommend a larger dot. Will be faster to pick up especially as you are rotating your rifle from one optic to the other.
     
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    Definitely do an offset 45 mount. You can maintain a better cheekweld.
    Lots of these in competition.

    @jjwestbrook uses them a lot on his guns, as he shoots a lot off PCC and open/unlimited div 3gun where these are used a lot. Maybe he has advice.

    I’ve been looking at getting one too.
     
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    JBoyette Well-Known Member Vendor

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    I think its a waste of a rds.

    Any target within 15yds is body position with a rifle if its that fast of a shot.

    John
     
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    Chuckman Senior Member Sponsor

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    Can you elaborate? I'm thinking something non-magnified since my scope is 4.5-14. Will anyting under 50 yards not be cool with that minimum range on the scope?
     
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    I use the RMR on a 45 deg mount for competition. Have also used a delta point pro and a. Urris fastffire 3 with good resilts
     
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    I would put it to a timer.

    I know some will argue with me on this but i have found it faster on a shot clock to just shoot the near target at x power. Now granted at 8x+ its not as fast as -8x but the time it takes to rotate, aim, fire you could of just shot as is.

    What I do is use the Bindon aiming method.

    Get you a shot clock and see for your self. Or just look at Defoor Proformance and see how Kyle thinks a 2.5-10x is a LPVO. Lol
     
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    Now,

    I will say to counter my own point.....

    I have used a 45deg offset towards the outside dual RDS setup. Its the best ever for CQB. We were running dual T1's. Turning strong-strong corners, swapping to support shoulder, up stairs, this setup is for fast as hell free flow movement in a building / structure.
     
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    We used to train on reflexive/instinctive quick kills, meaning snapping to targets 25m and in, both eyes open and using a fixed front sight as the only reference point (if any). It was a tool in the toolbox, like if someone popped around a corner and it was a “take the time to aim and you die” situation

    In a competition, I think the offset RDS would be a huge benefit
     
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    The type of competition that one uses a 4.5-14x optic in, typically a RDS is just extra weight.

    Same token, i see its value as a duel use on a LPVO in 2 or 3 gun.
     
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    Yes, me too, with M4. When I qualled on the SAMR, we didn't shoot anything under 300 yards. So this is a new realm for me.

    If I could unload my scope, I'd get a 1-6 or 1-8 and red dot.
     
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    Like i posted, run a timer see if the idea pans out or not.

    When i wrote the 1st MOI for the SDM school we did snap shots like we are talking about now with the first two SDM upper systems.
     
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    Shot timer doesn't lie. Whatever is 1) quickest and 2) most repeatable is what you are looking for.

    I'm sure there is someone here that has the setup you are trying to replicate if you ask nicely enough.
     
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