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A mother of three in South Carolina said she used her firearm to protect her family when a stranger tried to enter her house.
Ashley Jones told FOX Carolina she heard someone banging on the door of her home in Anderson County around 6 a.m. Thursday.
“Something just came over me, and I got calm. My heart slowed down and I got focused. I told myself if he comes in here, you can’t let him get past your doorstep. You have three young children to protect." - Ashley Jones
Something to remember when folks say "you're paranoid", or "It'll never happen to you"
"I never thought I'd have to shoot that gun... ever"
https://www.foxcarolina.com/i-would...cle_c7cda65b-e84e-5238-830d-dff2e796e138.html

I enjoyed the thug's "Oh SHHHHTTT!!" reaction.
 
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Wait, did I miss something between, he got shot, ran off and he's in the hospital in stable condition?
 
Oh man, I hope I have the calmness necessary if I need to shoot someone. She must have been freaked out when the banging on the door started!
 
Grits said:
Looks like she winged him. Better aim next time.

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What I meant was, he checked himself into the hospital?? He was found and arrested in the vicinity??
 
georgel said:
What I meant was, he checked himself into the hospital?? He was found and arrested in the vicinity??
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She had already called 911 and cops arrived in time to arrest them.

A lot of unanswered questions and a bad charge unless SC allows 1st degree Burglary in broad daylight.
 
Grits said:
Millie I thought of you when I first saw this.

The targets you've posted would have given this thug a dirt nap.

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Nice of you to say so...but when confronted with an a*hole wanting to harm me, would I be able to keep my cool like this young lady did? She was spectacular, from what I could see!
And I hope the guy doesn't die, because then she'll have even more trauma to deal with than having her door kicked in, her family threatened, and the fact that she shot a guy.....I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and I feel bad for her, while at the same time very glad she did what she had to do.
 
Millie said:
Nice of you to say so...but when confronted with an a*hole wanting to harm me, would I be able to keep my cool like this young lady did? She was spectacular, from what I could see!
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I don't know this lady's background, but for most people, it comes down to training. I call it the Rolodex effect. If you run into a scenario and you've rehearsed that or a similar scenario, then you have a reference card in your personal rollodex of responses. If the scenario is unfamiliar to you, you can freeze or have your response delayed because you don't have a card for that. Then you're trying to figure out what a good response is and panic starts creeping in. And you already have adrenaline coursing through your veins. That's one reason I advocate practicing in competitions like IDPA, not for the tactics, because they are usually wrong, but for practicing gun handling skills under stress. This is especially true if you can find a group that's less "gamey" more casual and fun rather than a group that's all rules and points. I used to love the group up in Wilkesboro. Their motto was, "Shoot till you're happy." Some "practice" groups are this way.
 
Stress fire training is good stuff. Run your ass off, do some sprints, throw in 20 burpees, and then have someone scream at you while you're firing at a hostage style target from 7yds.
 
georgel said:
I don't know this lady's background, but for most people, it comes down to training. I call it the Rolodex effect. If you run into a scenario and you've rehearsed that or a similar scenario, then you have a reference card in your personal rollodex of responses. If the scenario is unfamiliar to you, you can freeze or have your response delayed because you don't have a card for that. Then you're trying to figure out what a good response is and panic starts creeping in. And you already have adrenaline coursing through your veins. That's one reason I advocate practicing in competitions like IDPA, not for the tactics, because they are usually wrong, but for practicing gun handling skills under stress. This is especially true if you can find a group that's less "gamey" more casual and fun rather than a group that's all rules and points. I used to love the group up in Wilkesboro. Their motto was, "Shoot till you're happy." Some "practice" groups are this way.
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I'd like to stretch myself, but I think competitions are way out of my zone right now. I'm still a bit "uncertain" just going to the range. Lol. That's about all I can handle at the moment, but I do want to take some training at Apex, I read about a class in January that might be good for me to try.
 
Millie said:
I'd like to stretch myself, but I think competitions are way out of my zone right now. I'm still a bit "uncertain" just going to the range. Lol. That's about all I can handle at the moment, but I do want to take some training at Apex, I read about a class in January that might be good for me to try.
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Yew, you do have to get your basic gun handling skills down. Practice, practice, practice until it becomes second nature. Trigger time is important, especially in the beginning. Dry fire practice is just as important. I don't know what kind of gun you primarily carry/have, unless the revolver in your avatar is any indication, but snap caps are a good investment. Also, practice scenarios in your house. (With and empty gun. Don't want any oops!) Say, you're laying in your bed. You hear a noise coming from the front door. How will you investigate? Where is the gun? Can you acquire it in the dark? Can you check to see if it's loaded in the dark? If you're going to hunker down and call 911, where's the phone? Where will you sit, stand, kneel? Are you in a good defensible position? Is there anything you should change or move to block or clear a path? In your house, what at the likely entry points. Is there anything in you layout that blocks your view or creates a hiding place for a bad guy (BG)? Maybe that table should go in front of that window to make it more difficult to enter, at least without making a lot of noise. Play the bad guy. Walk around the exterior of your house. How would I get in? ;)
 
georgel said:
Yew, you do have to get your basic gun handling skills down. Practice, practice, practice until it becomes second nature. Trigger time is important, especially in the beginning. Dry fire practice is just as important. I don't know what kind of gun you primarily carry/have, unless the revolver in your avatar is any indication, but snap caps are a good investment. Also, practice scenarios in your house. (With and empty gun. Don't want any oops!) Say, you're laying in your bed. You hear a noise coming from the front door. How will you investigate? Where is the gun? Can you acquire it in the dark? Can you check to see if it's loaded in the dark? If you're going to hunker down and call 911, where's the phone? Where will you sit, stand, kneel? Are you in a good defensible position? Is there anything you should change or move to block or clear a path? In your house, what at the likely entry points. Is there anything in you layout that blocks your view or creates a hiding place for a bad guy (BG)? Maybe that table should go in front of that window to make it more difficult to enter, at least without making a lot of noise. Play the bad guy. Walk around the exterior of your house. How would I get in? ;)
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I found the revolver too hard on my hand and carry a Sig p238 now, wonderful gun! I do have snap caps. Now you've given me even more to think about than I already had, but yes, I get the need for practice and thinking things over and playing "what if" and thinking like the lowlife that might try to hurt me! Lol. My head may explode, but I'm trying to take in all the info.
 
Good on her! I wish her nothing but the best and I hope this dirtbag thug POS learned a little something from this encounter, I seriously doubt it though, but with any luck he'll run into someone with better aim the next go round!
 
Millie said:
I found the revolver too hard on my hand and carry a Sig p238 now, wonderful gun! I do have snap caps. Now you've given me even more to think about than I already had, but yes, I get the need for practice and thinking things over and playing "what if" and thinking like the lowlife that might try to hurt me! Lol. My head may explode, but I'm trying to take in all the info.
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Yeah, those Sigs are beautiful. If you still have the revolver, 148gr target wadcutters are mild, easy to shoot, accurate and effective load.
Better to think about those things now, so you won't have to later under stress. It seems like a lot, but it's really just a logics exercise and pre-planning. As you do them you will become more at ease. "If he comes in that back door, I'll be standing here behind concealment/cover with a clear shot. There's nothing for him to hide behind and the stove hood light I left on as a night light will make him visible to me, but I will be hard to see in the shadows beyond." (Until the flash of the muzzle blast. ;))
 
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Panic is a normal reaction to a problem with no forethought solution....Jeff Cooper
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Exactly. I personally know at least two people that have been directly involved in shootings where the perps died. One is a well known trainer and the other was my training buddy, a former SWAT officer in TN. Both of them recounted that they did not experience the responses normally associated with a shooting. No tunnel vision, no auditory exclusion, no post shooting jitters. They both attributed their non-standard responses to training, adequate and proper training. Most of the typical responses come from performance anxiety per se. Will I get this right? Will I miss? Will I die? Both my friends said the scenarios were familiar and they acted accordingly. "It was just another day at the range." It was automatic.

They had cards in their rolodex for the situations that presented themselves and they acted in the way they were trained to deal with those scenarios. They worked as prescribed. No stress, no worries, just do as trained. They both slept fine that night.

Another way to look at panic, which includes "freezing", is that it's an OODA loop reset. Or as my GPS says when I go against it's directions, "Recalculating route."
 
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"Recalculating "
Perfect way to describe an OODA reset-
How well you trained and recover reign supreme.

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georgel said:
Yeah, those Sigs are beautiful. If you still have the revolver, 148gr target wadcutters are mild, easy to shoot, accurate and effective load.
Better to think about those things now, so you won't have to later under stress. It seems like a lot, but it's really just a logics exercise and pre-planning. As you do them you will become more at ease. "If he comes in that back door, I'll be standing here behind concealment/cover with a clear shot. There's nothing for him to hide behind and the stove hood light I left on as a night light will make him visible to me, but I will be hard to see in the shadows beyond." (Until the flash of the muzzle blast. ;))
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I do have the revolver, and don't want to give up on it, so I'll make a note of your ammo suggestion and try it out...when/if I get brave enough to try it again! I'm a little afraid of getting a big bruise again. LOL.
And I do think about what to do "if" this or that happens. It's not fun to think about, but I realize I have to, so that I don't freeze if someone busts in here. Almost any way they come in will cause a huge amount of noise, either from motion sensors setting the alarm off, window sensors going off, glass breaking, things they'd have to climb over, etc. I can also see the yard motion sensor lights at night when something/someone comes into the yard. Those have already turned someone around, coming up the driveway!!
 
Millie said:
I do have the revolver, and don't want to give up on it, so I'll make a note of your ammo suggestion and try it out...when/if I get brave enough to try it again! I'm a little afraid of getting a big bruise again. LOL.
And I do think about what to do "if" this or that happens. It's not fun to think about, but I realize I have to, so that I don't freeze if someone busts in here. Almost any way they come in will cause a huge amount of noise, either from motion sensors setting the alarm off, window sensors going off, glass breaking, things they'd have to climb over, etc. I can also see the yard motion sensor lights at night when something/someone comes into the yard. Those have already turned someone around, coming up the driveway!!
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The wadcutters I'm talking about are target loads, about as mild as you can get. But, their full diameter meplat cuts a nice big clean hole on targets and tissue. ;)

For example:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...38-special-148-grain-lead-wadcutter-box-of-50

ETA- Consider a replacement grip by Hogue. It can make a world of difference.
 
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georgel said:
The wadcutters I'm talking about are target loads, about as mild as you can get. But, their full diameter meplat cuts a nice big clean hole on targets and tissue. ;)

For example:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...38-special-148-grain-lead-wadcutter-box-of-50

ETA- Consider a replacement grip by Hogue. It can make a world of difference.
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Thanks, and the next time I get brave and want to try the revolver again, I'll try this ammo.
As for grips, the one on there is sort of squared off up where your thumb knuckle is, and thought it's rubbery, I think a more rounded one would help. (I'm probably totally wrong and was just holding the gun all wrong!)
 
Some years ago a woman in my community shot an intruder who broke into her home during the day. The woman had a snub 5 shot .38 and as the man advanced on her she walked backwards through the house and out the open sliding back door and shot and hit him 5 times. The perp's mother who was waiting outside ran into the house and dragged him out and into her car and then to the EM. Surprisingly the perp survived and the mother attempted to sue the homeowner, unsuccessfully thankfully. Both were charged and convicted of multiple crimes as they were wanted for similar home invasions that turned out better for them.

My wife's comments when she heard about it: just like Ginger Rogers, the woman had to shoot walking backwards in heels and still managed to hit him with all 5 shots!
 
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