My first suppressor experience, or screw hollywood.

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I hope I don't get too much hate for this, but if anyone wants to hear a first-time suppressor buyer/user experience.. here it is.

Short version: I paid a lot of money and waited a long time for something that is overall "what was I thinking spending all this money and time?"

Long version:

I bought my suppressor in June 2016, just before the 41f ruling and in line with everyone else who sat on the fence. I bought it from jksuppressors, who have been good through the painful experience of a 10-month wait.

I bought Griffin Armament Optimus. This was the one-can-to-rule them all. I know some people will say you need one suppressor per firearm that you want to suppress, but that's $200 tax stamp (and wait) for each one. Some people also buy a swavorski. Maybe you can shoot more than one gun at a time, but I'm not that advanced. The guns I plan on using with it are:
  • .22LR (turns out my 10/22 has a fake threaded flash hider)
  • 9mm (I've got a Walther PPX with a threaded barrel, my sub2k gen1 doesn't have threads)
  • .223/5.56 (My FS2000 has a suppressed setting as does my Adams Arms SHTF gun)
  • 300BLK Pistol and Rifle
  • AR-10
I bought the A2 mount as well. This means out of the box(es), I can suppress all the above, as the Optimus comes with a pistol mount (Neilson device), a taper mount for 5/8-24, and the A2 will cover any .223 with a standard(ish) flash hider (the FS2000 doesn't use a standard A2, but it fits well). The optimus has three different lengths depending if you're shooting pistol (short) all the way to 300WM with the full configuration, with the A2 being a 'mid' length.

Why did I want a suppressor:

1) It's highly regulated so it must be awesome (same paperwork as machine guns and hand grenades)
2) I hunt. With 300 BLK or 308 are going to be able to double some dang deer.
3) Shooting at me casa. I live in the county so I'm allowed to shoot, the neighbors won't even know.
4) Pew pew pew!
5) Did you watch Mark Wahlberg's "The Shooter"? I recycle my 2L soda bottles, so I had to do something.

I waited 10 months. I mean, it was really 9, but then the guy I bought it from was three hours away, so he had to mail it. Translation- two more forms to fill out, including having to inform my 2A hating local sheriff.

Jeremy was great to deal with (and had what I wanted- the Optimus), a fast/quick communicator, and had the accessory I needed (A2 blast shield), and had a great price. But it was muey frustrating buying it, and not being able to see it, and then waiting even longer for the additional forms to clear since he was several hours drive away.

It arrived Friday (June 13th to 21 April) and I took it out today to shoot after the 2-gun match. I spent last night assembling the truck full of guns to try it out (9mm pistol, FS2000, AR-15, AR-10, 300 BLK rifle). I had subsonic 9mm (147gr, 950 fps) and 300BLK (220gr remington).

My wife came to observse as she's been listening to me gripe about the delay and the damn gubmit and now finally 2A freedom!

Medium story: she decided to keep her hearing protection in for about everything.

Hollywood are a bunch of assholes. Yes, it is MUCH quieter. But it is not quiet. It sounds like a gun going off. It's still loud, just won't hurt your ears. .223 with normal ammo you still should wear hearing protection. The 9mm subsonic was relatively quiet, as was the 300 BLK and 308.

That's it. It still sounds like a gun. It goes BANG. Just that you don't have to cover your ears.

Yes, it was obvious even though I technically picked the right suppressor, I don't have a clue when it comes to how quiet they are. I've been with guys who shoot suppressors, but it was at a match and we still wore hearing protection (required) and I figured they were shooting supersonic.

I am disappointed. I"m glad I bought ONE suppressor that covers everything I need, but I had way over-hyped what a suppressor actually does. There you go, if you haven't bought one yet, do more field research than I did.

Cheers!
 
I tell everybody I know looking for their first 5.56 can that they need to shoot one first, or they'll have the exact experience you describe.

Plenty of people around with cans that would be more than willing to demonstrate them for anybody looking.

147gr 9mm and 22LR are where it's at...plus 300BLK subs.

Without a can, I wear plugs and muffs...with a can, just plugs.
 
I agree. 9mm/22LR cans are great, 556/308 cans are alright.

If you have the option to built your own and save 75% of the overall cost then that makes an "alright" suppresssor great since you have 1/4 cost in it.

Otherwise it would be wise to stay away if you have high expectations on sound reduction.
 
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I see benefits in truly slow projectiles with suppression. Suppression for what I do was noy worth the headaches or the money. Deer still run when you shoot at them. If you are far enough away there is probably benefit, but I hunt 100 yds and under in most cases.

The OP has a legitimate complaint. Sorry buddy. I feel yah.
 
I kinda sorta feel the same way..and I have 3 cans in the safe. I bought the .22 and .30 cans pretty much at the same time (from @TARHEELSTATE , excellent service).

With the Specter II, .22lr bolt guns are stupid quiet and the .22lr AR is tons of fun. Probably the best performing can I have.

The AAC 762-SD .30 cal was disappointing on .308 and 5.56 because....duh....they're supersonic. So, it pretty much lives on the 300BLK full time. I'm happy with the performance there, but it's not as sexy as I thought it'd be.

Both of those cans had the paperwork approved in 93 days, so the wait wasn't horrible.

I did a Form 1 9mm last year with about a 10 month wait. It took so long that I kinda forgot about it. I knew this was going on a 9mm AR SBR. It works, it's quiet, but like the OP I'm not sure I'd do it again.

Now....the SBR stamps all that and a bag of chips.
 
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That is the precise reason I have not gotten a suppressor yet. I think subsonic 300blk would come close to meeting my Hollywood expectations but I'm still on the fence.
 
Optimus...... very quiet rimfire........so-so with subsonic handguns rounds and subsonic 300 blackout (but still needs hearing protection with short barrels IMO), so-so for rifle rounds - definitely still need hearing protection. I was told to get a can with one purpose..... (ex rifle, handgun, or rimfire, ect) and this seems to be true. I like my Optimus, but if I had to do it over again, I would have passed.
 
Well yea, they publish DB levels for a reason... I'd much rather shoot my guns suppressed than not suppressed. Yea you still want hearing protection with supersonic rounds but there is less pressure and it IS quieter. No, it's not a mouse fart. If you can't reload you won't get the most out of it.

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Heres my thoughts on the Optimus:

For a 9mm can, its heavy. My G17 needs Suppressor height sites, but the weight balance sucks. On the CZ Scorpion, it was awesome. Sound? Even with supers, it was comfortable shooting, and Subs was awesome.

300blk. It was fine with subs, the action cycle still loud.

22lr. My FVSR is retarded quiet.
 
Have you tried it on your 308 bolt gun with heavy subsonic rounds?
 
Elenaidan said:
I see benefits in truly slow projectiles with suppression. Suppression for what I do was noy worth the headaches or the money. Deer still run when you shoot at them. If you are far enough away there is probably benefit, but I hunt 100 yds and under in most cases.

The OP has a legitimate complaint. Sorry buddy. I feel yah.
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What's the legitimate complaint? That the suppressor can't break the laws of physics?

I shot three rifles on the range yesterday: two 5.56s and one .308, all were suppressed. Three lanes down was a guy with an FAL and a three chamber brake. That thing was rattling people's fillings loose on the line. I'll take suppressed over that any day

Clearing a house with a bunch of guys popping off rounds near you...

Suppressors are awesome
 
I had the opposite experience. Maybe I spent way too much time watching YouTube videos and reading forums while waiting for my rugged surge and obsidian though. I am pleasantly surprised by both. I shot my 20" AR with the surge and didn't need plugs. My glock 17 with 165 gr was stupid fun /quiet even with the short config.

22 cans are where it's at thought. My fv-sr with a can is quieter the most pellet guns.

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I wonder.. anyone here been 500 yards away from the dangerous end of a gun that is outfitted with a suppressor shooting standard loads?

I don't think many could answer that, God Bless you if you can answer. You know from the crack, but does it give range and direction?

Besides, a 22LR subsonic without a can does not give it's position away from 200+ yards.
 
Lucky13bullets said:
Suppressing anything that is not a subsonic round is just mental masterbation
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I don't agree. My range has (had) baffles that bounce muzzle blast right back in your face. After shooting suppressed from those benches I don't ever want to shoot without again. They're re-building the benches as I type this so who knows what I'll see when it's done, but a suppressor dramatically improved my range time with any rifle.
 
I'm kinda amazed someone went through all the time and expense without actually trying one first.

That said, being around people with suppressors is kinda one reason I don't own one yet. I see all of the benefits, and will probably still get one someday (need a good host) but I learned early that super sonic rounds are still very loud. I learned early that a 30db reduction just takes a standard rifle round from "wow I'm deaf" to "wow, that is unpleasant" if not wearing hearing protection.

Now...suppressed pistols can be the sweetness.


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I'm just over here waiting to see if YHM will release the Turbo this decade, unless something changes it will be my first suppressor.
I have however shot a few 5.56 suppressors, and others. Not Hollywood quiet, won't prevent hearing damage, but it will be reduced, especially if unprotected, which I'm prone to do when hunting. With protection it's just more pleasant and easier on neighbors/bystanders.

What's impressive, IMO, is subs from something other than a semi auto, especially big ones. Action noise and gas/pressure out the back is quite a racket when it isn't drowned out by muzzle blast.
 
Beef15 said:
I'm just over here waiting to see if YHM will release the Turbo this decade, unless something changes it will be my first suppressor.
I have however shot a few 5.56 suppressors, and others. Not Hollywood quiet, won't prevent hearing damage, but it will be reduced, especially if unprotected, which I'm prone to do when hunting. With protection it's just more pleasant and easier on neighbors/bystanders.

What's impressive, IMO, is subs from something other than a semi auto, especially big ones. Action noise and gas/pressure out the back is quite a racket when it isn't drowned out by muzzle blast.
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If you don't want to wait on the Turbo, a Recce 5 is also very light weight and one of the best performing 5.56 cans on the market

Lucky13bullets said:
Sounds like you need to find a more pleasant range to shoot at
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Range design makes a big difference on concussion returned to the shooters

I was shooting here yesterday and my suppressed rifles really got a lot of attention. I don't normally shoot there but wanted to stretch my Ultramatch out to 300 (was making consistent head shot hits with my 3x ACOG so I was happy there, and re-doped my other rifles after some other changes)

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Until a guy pulled out his 300 WEATHERBY MAG. It felt like the walls were pulsing out. He dumped his brass in the bucket...wish I'd snarfed it up. $2/case at Midway. He ran a lot of people off
 
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11B CIB said:
What's the legitimate complaint? That the suppressor can't break the laws of physics?

I shot three rifles on the range yesterday: two 5.56s and one .308, all were suppressed. Three lanes down was a guy with an FAL and a three chamber brake. That thing was rattling people's fillings loose on the line. I'll take suppressed over that any day

Clearing a house with a bunch of guys popping off rounds near you...

Suppressors are awesome
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The complaint of outrageous expense and over regulation compaired to the benefit gained
 
The suppressor does disrupt the report (the thump) and, seems to me at least, to mask the direction the round is coming from. As far as the range, that would involve far more variables than I want to experience again.
The supersonic crack is going to be the same with or without a suppressor.
HTH: Phil
VA_GENTLEMAN said:
I wonder.. anyone here been 500 yards away from the dangerous end of a gun that is outfitted with a suppressor shooting standard loads?

I don't think many could answer that, God Bless you if you can answer. You know from the crack, but does it give range and direction?

Besides, a 22LR subsonic without a can does not give it's position away from 200+ yards.
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VA_GENTLEMAN said:
I wonder.. anyone here been 500 yards away from the dangerous end of a gun that is outfitted with a suppressor shooting standard loads?

I don't think many could answer that, God Bless you if you can answer. You know from the crack, but does it give range and direction?

Besides, a 22LR subsonic without a can does not give it's position away from 200+ yards.
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I can't say I've done it and really thought about it. But, I've been places where people were shooting suppressed a decent distance away. You don't really have a feel for where it is coming from.

The blast at the muzzle is greatly reduced, so there's not a single sound from a stationary point to focus on. All you hear is the sonic crack which goes with the projectile.

You can read all kinds of examples of hunters describing how animals react. What you'll hear them tell is that often you'll have the animal(s) that weren't hit (assuming you either missed the only one, or there were more than one in close proximity) will run right towards you.

This is because the muzzle blast is basically gone, and they only hear the crack. On top of that, the crack is coming towards them and then appears to go past them, bouncing off trees, rocks, berms, etc "behind" them...and they run away from that noise which is in the direction straight toward the shooter.

I've posted this link a couple times ok various forums but will do so again for anybody that hasn't read it. It's a long read, but very educational. The article: Sound Suppressors on High Powered Rifles

A snippet that relates to your question:

The Supersonic Crack

Any projectile moving through the air at a velocity greater than the speed of sound (332 to 340 m/s or 1,089 to 1,114 fps in dry, 18 C or 65 degree F air, depending on who one listens to) will create a supersonic crack. Temperature, humidity and atmospheric pressure variations play a role in raising or lowering the speed of sound by a small percentage. In a firearm which lacks a substantial muzzle report (being fired over an open field) the sound resembles the loud tearing of a bed sheet.

Two sounds are actually created, one from the front of the bullet, and one from the rear. Near trees and buildings the sound waves come back as a distinct crack or pop each time the speeding bullet passes some object with a vertical, reflective surface. Once the muzzle report has been diminished the supersonic boom becomes dominant. Curiously, the sounds will now appear to come from the target area, rather than the rifleman's position. Sound moves through our atmosphere at a relatively fixed rate. A sound wave will typically strike one ear a bit before the other.

The human brain is capable of detecting the difference in time between sound impacting one ear and then the other in an increment of as little as one/six-millionth of a second. With time and practice we soon learn to use this ability to pinpoint the source of a sound very accurately. Because a suppressed muzzle report is relatively quiet, the uninitiated will automatically home in on the loudest sound, which in this case is a sonic boom reflecting from the target area. The intense, sharp sound of the bullet's passage will seem much louder than the muzzle report to someone close to the flight path. Indeed, a rapidly moving .308 bullet will sound louder than a .22 LR pistol, to someone who is positioned a few feet from its flight path.

So, you know where it ended up, but won't necessarily know where it came from. It's a sensation similar to being under water.
 
BigWaylon said:
I can't say I've done it and really thought about it. But, I've been places where people were shooting suppressed a decent distance away. You don't really have a feel for where it is coming from.

The blast at the muzzle is greatly reduced, so there's not a single sound from a stationary point to focus on. All you hear is the sonic crack which goes with the projectile.

You can read all kinds of examples of hunters describing how animals react. What you'll hear them tell is that often you'll have the animal(s) that weren't hit (assuming you either missed the only one, or there were more than one in close proximity) will run right towards you.

This is because the muzzle blast is basically gone, and they only hear the crack. On top of that, the crack is coming towards them and then appears to go past them, bouncing off trees, rocks, berms, etc "behind" them...and they run away from that noise which is in the direction straight toward the shooter.

I've posted this link a couple times ok various forums but will do so again for anybody that hasn't read it. It's a long read, but very educational. The article: Sound Suppressors on High Powered Rifles

A snippet that relates to your question:

The Supersonic Crack

Any projectile moving through the air at a velocity greater than the speed of sound (332 to 340 m/s or 1,089 to 1,114 fps in dry, 18 C or 65 degree F air, depending on who one listens to) will create a supersonic crack. Temperature, humidity and atmospheric pressure variations play a role in raising or lowering the speed of sound by a small percentage. In a firearm which lacks a substantial muzzle report (being fired over an open field) the sound resembles the loud tearing of a bed sheet.

Two sounds are actually created, one from the front of the bullet, and one from the rear. Near trees and buildings the sound waves come back as a distinct crack or pop each time the speeding bullet passes some object with a vertical, reflective surface. Once the muzzle report has been diminished the supersonic boom becomes dominant. Curiously, the sounds will now appear to come from the target area, rather than the rifleman's position. Sound moves through our atmosphere at a relatively fixed rate. A sound wave will typically strike one ear a bit before the other.

The human brain is capable of detecting the difference in time between sound impacting one ear and then the other in an increment of as little as one/six-millionth of a second. With time and practice we soon learn to use this ability to pinpoint the source of a sound very accurately. Because a suppressed muzzle report is relatively quiet, the uninitiated will automatically home in on the loudest sound, which in this case is a sonic boom reflecting from the target area. The intense, sharp sound of the bullet's passage will seem much louder than the muzzle report to someone close to the flight path. Indeed, a rapidly moving .308 bullet will sound louder than a .22 LR pistol, to someone who is positioned a few feet from its flight path.

So, you know where it ended up, but won't necessarily know where it came from. It's a sensation similar to being under water.
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Totally agree. My reply was more rhetorical. Points are that:
1. Suppressors limit the muzzle report for directional and distance when engaging targets.
2. Suppressors limit the muzzle report only. Ballistics are ballistics, travel 1114fps and you have a parabolic crack following the projectile.
3. Subsonic .22lr muzzle reports out of a long barrel are rarely heard downrange past 200 yards
4. They're cool, why not have one?
 
Gotta have a solid understanding of Subsonic vs. Supersonic as it relates to velocity and the peed of sound to truly understand where the benefits and expectations for silencers should be.

Suppressed bullets travelling faster than the speed of sound still crack that sound barrier making a sonic crack like a gun shot. If ammo is used that's below that speed of sound it won't crack that sound barrier making it much quieter but not Hollywood movie pew pew quiet.

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VA_GENTLEMAN said:
I wonder.. anyone here been 500 yards away from the dangerous end of a gun that is outfitted with a suppressor shooting standard loads?

I don't think many could answer that, God Bless you if you can answer. You know from the crack, but does it give range and direction?

Besides, a 22LR subsonic without a can does not give it's position away from 200+ yards.
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Sonic crack is omnidirectional so you'll hear impact followed by a snap from the Crack but it's tough to pinpoint direction since there's no muzzle blast following that snap.

It's amazing the difference in sound downrange versus up range. The 3 different elements are in reverse and have a different sound. If shooting steel you'll hear the fragments rain down after everything if downrange.

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Elenaidan said:
The complaint of outrageous expense and over regulation compaired to the benefit gained
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I guess it's relative because I thought it was a huge benefit for all the calibers I currently shoot, and others I'd like to suppress but haven't yet. Reducing the auditory signature of even supersonic calibers to make it less deafening, reduce concussion/muzzle blast for the shooter and bystanders, reduce/eliminate visual signature, and disguise shooter location are all benefits to me....not just "it's still loud".

It's obvious the suppressor can't reduce the supersonic crack of a supersonic round. So having the expectation of silence is really not the fault of the current state of NFA red tape. I hate the rigamarole but until it's gone, I'll continue to buy suppressors because to me, it's worth it. Obviously, others mileage may vary
 
Wahoo95 said:
Sonic crack is omnidirectional so you'll hear impact followed by a snap from the Crack but it's tough to pinpoint direction since there's no muzzle blast following that snap.

It's amazing the difference in sound downrange versus up range. The 3 different elements are in reverse and have a different sound. If shooting steel you'll hear the fragments rain down after everything if downrange.

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You've probably seen this Wahoo, but I thought it pertained to your post

 
To me, interested in shooting competition mainly, suppressors are a complete novelty.
Completely useless for that.
Competition aside, a heavy tube hanging off my 9mm pistol is pointless and annoying. If I were an assassin whacking folks for the mob, I'd consider it a bit more.
As others have noted, no way to quiet down an AR to movie quietness.
Now all that said, it's not all bad:

I would never ever consider an 5.56 AR for home defense. Because the concussion and noise indoors is too great to me. BUT, with a decent can it becomes comepletely viable!
Sure, it cracks, but it is multitudes more pleasant to shoot an SBR with a can. Night and day difference. For military operators kicking down doors, I don't see how you could do it without one?
.338 Lapua? .308? Horribly loud. But pleasant with a thunderbeast can and it kills most of the recoil. Actually fired a .338 with no ears and it was pleasant!
.22 bolt guns? Pull a couple out, throw a couple cans on, have a pleasant conversation and plink golf balls up range. Super fun!
New shooters you say? It's the report and concussion that scares new shooters. A little .22 pistol with a can is the answer.

Subsonic 147gn 9mm and .22 can certainly be movie quiet. Or 300BO.

I only have a .22 can, but have friends with every type you can buy, so have tried a bunch.
Like full auto, they remain a novelty to me for the most part. But I do appreciate that there are some very useful uses for cans.

In my somewhat limited experience one can can't and won't do it all. I'd rather have two 500$ cans dedicated to specific calibers than one "do it all" 1200$ can.

I shoot a LOT and any reduction in noise and concussion is a huge plus. My dang AR rifles with brakes cause huge fatigue from shooting. Feels like somebody beat my head with rubber hoses after 2-300 rounds. Use plugs and muffs. God, muffs suck in the heat of summer!
 
NKD said:
To me, interested in shooting competition mainly, suppressors are a complete novelty.
Completely useless for that.
Competition aside, a heavy tube hanging off my 9mm pistol is pointless and annoying. If I were an assassin whacking folks for the mob, I'd consider it a bit more.
As others have noted, no way to quiet down an AR to movie quietness.
Now all that said, it's not all bad:

I would never ever consider an 5.56 AR for home defense. Because the concussion and noise indoors is too great to me. BUT, with a decent can it becomes comepletely viable!
Sure, it cracks, but it is multitudes more pleasant to shoot an SBR with a can. Night and day difference. For military operators kicking down doors, I don't see how you could do it without one?
.338 Lapua? .308? Horribly loud. But pleasant with a thunderbeast can and it kills most of the recoil. Actually fired a .338 with no ears and it was pleasant!
.22 bolt guns? Pull a couple out, throw a couple cans on, have a pleasant conversation and plink golf balls up range. Super fun!
New shooters you say? It's the report and concussion that scares new shooters. A little .22 pistol with a can is the answer.

Subsonic 147gn 9mm and .22 can certainly be movie quiet. Or 300BO.

I only have a .22 can, but have friends with every type you can buy, so have tried a bunch.
Like full auto, they remain a novelty to me for the most part. But I do appreciate that there are some very useful uses for cans.

In my somewhat limited experience one can can't and won't do it all. I'd rather have two 500$ cans dedicated to specific calibers than one "do it all" 1200$ can.

I shoot a LOT and any reduction in noise and concussion is a huge plus. My dang AR rifles with brakes cause huge fatigue from shooting. Feels like somebody beat my head with rubber hoses after 2-300 rounds. Use plugs and muffs. God, muffs suck in the heat of summer!
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My 9mm can weighs 9oz. Really lightweight

And to touch on the AR for home defense...I use a 10.5" and without a suppressor, it would be miserable. But I like it because of the 30 round capacity and easy reloading, as well as virtually zero recoil in the event my wife needs to use it. We are not in a place where penetration is a real concern like an apartment.

Shooting my suppressed ARs with tuned gas is very pleasant outdoors, and indoors only plugs are needed. If you're ever around Columbia, I'd gladly let you try them out
 
11B CIB said:
I guess it's relative because I thought it was a huge benefit for all the calibers I currently shoot, and others I'd like to suppress but haven't yet. Reducing the auditory signature of even supersonic calibers to make it less deafening, reduce concussion/muzzle blast for the shooter and bystanders, reduce/eliminate visual signature, and disguise shooter location are all benefits to me....not just "it's still loud".

It's obvious the suppressor can't reduce the supersonic crack of a supersonic round. So having the expectation of silence is really not the fault of the current state of NFA red tape. I hate the rigamarole but until it's gone, I'll continue to buy suppressors because to me, it's worth it. Obviously, others mileage may vary
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I feel yah brother. I agree we all have limits of tolerance for the cost and pain. All that whining I did earlier in the thread will not stop me from getting another one. Mostly because those that shoot with me or around me care about their hearing and the overall quality of the experience. I am half deaf and deer could care less if I am suppressed or not. So for me, ear plugs to prevent further damage is just fine.
 
11B CIB said:
My 9mm can weighs 9oz. Really lightweight

And to touch on the AR for home defense...I use a 10.5" and without a suppressor, it would be miserable. But I like it because of the 30 round capacity and easy reloading, as well as virtually zero recoil in the event my wife needs to use it. We are not in a place where penetration is a real concern like an apartment.

Shooting my suppressed ARs with tuned gas is very pleasant outdoors, and indoors only plugs are needed. If you're ever around Columbia, I'd gladly let you try them out
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Thank you!
Ive tried a few cans on 5.56 (down to 7.5") and I am already sold on that. Have an upper waiting on one right now. Just have to pick the can and the pay the man.

I don't doubt your 9mm can is light. But it's still not going to work for what I do mostly.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind having one laying around so I could use it for fun. Just not sure I want to pay for it! Just too many other things on the to buy list. I think if I ever build a 9mm AR that will be the crux....and a 9mm can would start to look necessary!
 
Elenaidan said:
The complaint of outrageous expense and over regulation compaired to the benefit gained
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Exactly. Sure it's quieter than unsuppressed. But I waited 10 months, there are whole government agencies dedicated to preventing people from getting a device which is good for protecting their hearing (and pissing other people off).

My truck is ridiculously loud without a muffler- common sense and courtesy would be that I have one. In fact, I'm required to have one. I don't get why I have to pay $1300 and wait a year essentially for the same thing for a gun.
 
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Exactly. Sure it's quieter than unsuppressed. But I waited 10 months, there are whole government agencies dedicated to preventing people from getting a device which is good for protecting their hearing (and pissing other people off).

My truck is ridiculously loud without a muffler- common sense and courtesy would be that I have one. In fact, I'm required to have one. I don't get why I have to pay $1300 and wait a year essentially for the same thing for a gun.
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You are preaching to the choir bro!
 
Even from watching youtube videos (not sponsored reviews) you get an understanding of how unhollywood a suppressor really is. I got a suppressor because my hearing is deteriorating. After years of loud music, headphones, shooting, etc, I have a pretty constant ringing in my ears. Plus my nephews flinch less making it a better experience for them.
 
My wife wants to graduate to shooting a .45 now. This is because I let her shoot mine with a can on it. With the can it tames the recoil and flash she is afraid of. Now she wants a Dan Wesson Discretion and has already ordered an Osprey .45 for it. So basically I will be getting a new can and a Dan Wesson by default. How can suppressors be bad?
 
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I usually post this rough video I made when these discussions come up. Shows how ammo plays a huge part of the equation. Mag is loaded in a 115/124/147 cycle. At least it gives an idea of the difference.

 
And a similar one with my 4.5" 15-22 SBR.

 
Forgot I had these two uploaded. 147gr in a Glock 23 (with LWD 40-9 conv barrel), without and then with Osprey.



M&P 22 without and then with Spectre.




Most of the other ones I tried to make that day had other people firing at similar times, so I don't post them often. I don't think I have one of the bolt 22LR, but need to make one.
 
.22 with a can, be it pistol, bolt gun or 10/22 is where it's at.

Rimfire can with a bolt gun and CCI Quiet rounds are movie quiet. Love that combo.
 
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If this hasn't been suggested run the can wet and shoot it again.

It makes a huuuuuge difference.
 
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