NC Sheriff’s Deputy DESTROYS anti-2A arguments at 2nd Amendment sanctuary meeting

grungewehr39 said:
I consider having to "buy" my freedom in the form of "taxes" on SBR's, suppressors, and other NFA items unconstitutional.
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I was just wondering if it was something he said. I don’t think that was mentioned.
 
fieldgrade said:
I was just wondering if it was something he said. I don’t think that was mentioned.
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He states he will not enforce an unconstitutional law. What are his views on the few items i mentioned above? Will he arrest someone with a 10" SBR and no tax stamp? Lock up someone with a suppressor? In my opinion, banning or limiting anything like this is unconstitutional. And this could be a double edge sword in the long run. I thought the police didn't determine what laws to enforce. Should they have the "power" to not follow the laws posted?
 
grungewehr39 said:
He states he will not enforce an unconstitutional law. What are his views on the few items i mentioned above? Will he arrest someone with a 10" SBR and no tax stamp? Lock up someone with a suppressor? In my opinion, banning or limiting anything like this is unconstitutional. And this could be a double edge sword in the long run. I thought the police didn't determine what laws to enforce. Should they have the "power" to not follow the laws posted?
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Those are federal laws, maybe not state/county laws. What exactly does NC say about the ownership of said items?
 
DrScaryGuy said:
Those are federal laws, maybe not state/county laws. What exactly does NC say about the ownership of said items?
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That they’re worse than Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Seriously.

In NC, they’re considered Weapons of Mass Death and Destruction and are illegal to own with a few exceptions. One of those exceptions is if they’re registered via IRS Tax Code...which happens to be the NFA ‘34.
 
BigWaylon said:
That they’re worse than Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Seriously.

In NC, they’re considered Weapons of Mass Death and Destruction and are illegal to own with a few exceptions. One of those exceptions is if they’re registered via IRS Tax Code...which happens to be the NFA ‘34.
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I figured it was something like that. I remember looking before I moved down here and figuring i'd have no major problems.
Up in MI it was somewhat similar - each item had to be approved by the ATF.

Unnecessary duplicate laws, since the only way to legally get them was that way - but somebody gets to say they protected the children!
 
DrScaryGuy said:
I figured it was something like that. I remember looking before I moved down here and figuring i'd have no major problems.
Up in MI it was somewhat similar - each item had to be approved by the ATF.

Unnecessary duplicate laws, since the only way to legally get them was that way - but somebody gets to say they protected the children!
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Doesn’t MI have one of those weird additional requirements where you also have to register SBRs (and maybe even SBSs) as a pistol if it’s below a certain OAL?
 
BigWaylon said:
Doesn’t MI have one of those weird additional requirements where you also have to register SBRs (and maybe even SBSs) as a pistol if it’s below a certain OAL?
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Yep. Things that can be fired in a configuration under 26" have to go on the pistol registry as well. It used to be anything uner 30"... So I have a mossberg 500 with a folding stock, an SBR AR, a beretta CX4, a walther p22, and a 590 AOW that are all "pistols" in MI. I would have bought a few more fun guns to list as pistols, but when they changed the law to 26" on jan 1 2013, sandy hook had just happened and prices shot way the F up.

Anyway ... That means since you can operate an 11.5" SBR AR without the muzzle device and stock, and it comes in at about 25.5", it has to get registered.
However, that means under MI law, your SBR is still a pistol so you can drive around with it loaded in your passenger seat. If you go camping in bear/lion country up in the UP, you can go heavy in and out of vehicles.

ALSO, because the pistol registry form, the MI RI060, has spaces for the name of the buyer and the seller - if you build your own, you're not technically the buyer OR the seller. The state police tell you you need to just put your name in both, or list "self made" for one of them, or do whatever you can to get your gun registered... HOWEVER, that would technically be knowingly submitting false information on a state legal document - a felony. Failure to register a pistol is a civil infraction that is punishable by a $250 fine. also also, people with concealed pistol licenses from other states are exempt from the pistol registry... so if you have another state's out of state carry license AND a michigan concealed pistol license, you can ignore the whole registry fiasco (backed by a published AG opinion).

The good folks at MI open carry, MI gun owners, and MI coalition of responsible gun owners are all working to get those stupid laws straightened out, but it wasn't easy with the last RINO governor and it's much harder with the extra-dem governor right now.
 
That Deputy is here in Davidson County. It's his boss that's reputed to personally phone and congratulate each new CHP holder.
 
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