New Classifieds Rules Clarification, Specifically #3

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yeeyee said:
Example: https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/index.php?threads/springfield-range-officer-1911-45acp.159482/

This member would PREFER to sell to a "CPL" holder.

Does this fly? Shouldn't he either require or not require it?

Does this mean if this member gets a bite from a non-CHP
holding member he can hold out for a period of time in hopes
that a CHP holding member takes interest and then back out
of the potential sale with the non-CWP holder?

Thanks
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Sail/cell/sell/sale is at the seller’s discretion, is it not?

I interpret that to mean, he might drive farther for a CHP holder.

If he gets two simultaneous offers...it happens.. I sell stuff cheap, and one has a CHP, the other doesn’t, guess who gets it.
 
Cowboy said:
That's his choice to ask for more than required. That's how it's always been.
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Yes I understand that it is his choice. But I'm emphasizing on the word "prefer".

Should he be required to say,
"I require a CHP because I eat corn on the cob vertically"
or
"I do not require anything because I'm a gun and freedom loving American."?
 
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Price, place to meet, time to meet. These three things are necessary for a deal. Both the seller and the buyer can add any stipulations that they want. Any stipulations should be discussed and agreed to during the negotiation.
 
yeeyee said:
Yes I understand that it is his choice. But I'm emphasizing on the word "prefer".

Should he be required to say,
"I require a CWP because I eat corn on the cob vertically"
or
"I do not require anything because I'm a gun and freedom loving American."?
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You're overthinking what is a pretty simple thing dude. You have to realize it's really a new thing to have the ability to not ask for a chp. So people are still feeling it out for themselves.
 
yeeyee said:
Yes I understand that it is his choice. But I'm emphasizing on the word "prefer".

Should he be required to say,
"I require a CHP because I eat corn on the cob vertically"
or
"I do not require anything because I'm a gun and freedom loving American."?
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It’s all gray, man.
 
The entire ad is negated because NC doesn’t issue CPLs.

But if the seller is not requiring a permit, they shouldn’t have to state they’re requiring a permit. Appears he’d just rather sell to somebody that has one.
 
fieldgrade said:
It’s all gray, man.
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That's what I'm talking about. It's a gray area that should be specific.

If I message him and we come to an agreement (place, date, time, price)
and he comes back a few hours later and tells me that he has another buyer
that holds a CHP and would prefer to do business with him/her, is he in the
right because he covered himself with the word "prefer" because it was disclosed
in his ad?
 
yeeyee said:
That's what I'm talking about. It's a gray area that should be specific.

If I message him and we come to an agreement (place, date, time, price)
and he comes back a few hours later and tells me that he has another buyer
that holds a CHP and would prefer to do business with him/her, is he in the
right because he covered himself with the word "prefer" because it was disclosed
in his ad?
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I am no longer a mod in this saloon and dance hall, been years, but as Geezer stated clearly, if a deal has been made that satisfies “the criteria” then the seller can’t squirrel out, unless, as has been recently discussed, the buyer (or the deal, I guess) turns out to be sketchier than hell, and the seller decides he ought not.

So Yea, it’s all gray.

Speaking of, are you the one that got the emojis turned off?

Never mind, that was rhetorical.

Oh, and 42 deals. Time to pony up for a membership. Help keep the lights on.
 
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yeeyee said:
That's what I'm talking about. It's a gray area that should be specific.

If I message him and we come to an agreement (place, date, time, price)
and he comes back a few hours later and tells me that he has another buyer
that holds a CHP and would prefer to do business with him/her, is he in the
right because he covered himself with the word "prefer" because it was disclosed
in his ad?
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Using the word prefer holds zero weight. He either makes a deal with you or he doesn’t. If he does, he can’t back out and stick around here.
 
I could see a seller deciding not to sell to an unknown/ very low post count member if they do not have a CHP.

If the buyer is well known on the community with good feedback, the CHP component might not be as important to the seller.

Their preference on making the deal or not. Nothing to do with the rules, just input on their decision process.
 
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Tim said:
You know how I know we got the rules rewrite right?

‘Cause this is the only commentary we’ve had about it.
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Honestly not sure exactly what changed; but rules seem pretty straightforward to me. Make a deal; keep the deal.

A. I don't sell guns.
B. So far, I haven't seen anything for sale on here that has been close enough and caught my interest, so I have 0 purchases. I suspect this record will likely continue unblemished. . . .lol
 
fieldgrade said:
@yeeyee

Membership.

Skin in the game.

Complain about things you paid for.

Instead things you didn’t.
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I agree fully...but...at least he's not just a BST rat. He does post in other areas.
But, yeah, if youve done 40+ deals, that's only 50c a deal... pony up, bro.
 
BigWaylon said:
The entire ad is negated because NC doesn’t issue CPLs.
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That is incorrect.

Convert an IPL to a CPL​

To convert an Initial Professional License to a Continuing Professional License, an educator must have completed at least three years of teaching experience (either in North Carolina or verified experience from another state) and pass all NCSBE-approved, or comparable, licensure exams required for the license area(s).
Comparability of licensure tests is established as follows:
  1. The out-of-state applicant has taken a licensure exam(s) which satisfies one component of the licensure process in that State at the time the exam(s) was taken.
  2. The out-of-state applicant must meet, or exceed the test developer's recommended passing score regardless of the state's official passing score.
 
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The use of “prefer” gives the seller an option to sell to a well-known member who may not have a CHP whereas he otherwise would decline. But as others have said, once a deal is made, backing out because another buyer comes along with a CHP, or an extra $50, or lives 10mi closer, is still against the rules.
 
In the interest of transparency and clarity, the only change to rule 3 was removing references to Pistol Purchase Permits, which no longer exist.


New language:

Your Ad must include YOUR terms of sale. Essentially, what will you ask of a buyer to complete the deal.
For example:
- If you require a Bill of Sale
- If you intend make copies of Concealed Carry Permit, Identification, etc.
- Travel restrictions (time, distance, location, etc.) for Face to Face sales or shipping expectations if applicable


Old language:

Your terms of sale. Essentially, what will you ask of a buyer to complete the deal.
For example:
- If you require a Bill of Sale
- If you intend make copies of, or retain, Pistol Purchase Permit, Concealed Carry Permit, Identification, etc.
- Travel restrictions (time, distance, location, etc.) for Face to Face sales or shipping expectations if applicable

Not much really changed overall other than removing obsolete references to ad stomping and replying to ads, since that's no longer possible and combining multiple stickies into one.
 
fieldgrade said:
Speaking of, are you the one that got the emojis turned off?

Never mind, that was rhetorical.

Oh, and 42 deals. Time to pony up for a membership. Help keep the lights on.
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Nope, not me, I never cried about receiving a :mad: or :(.

BigWaylon said:
Using the word prefer holds zero weight. He either makes a deal with you or he doesn’t. If he does, he can’t back out and stick around here.
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Thank you, this is what i wanted to know.

fieldgrade said:
@yeeyee

Membership.

Skin in the game.

Complain about things you paid for.

Instead of things you didn’t.
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I've been thinking about it.

and I wasn't complaining, i was asking for clarification of a "gray area" word
 
I think I prefer to exercise my ability to ignore. Well I guess technically the software does it for me, but I get to click the button.
 
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