New Questions: Lee Classic Turret Press - Cowboy Loads

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I thought I should take the time to reply to the forum as to what decisions I made on reloading, and how it all turned out! First of all, thanks again for all of the great advice. I finally decided on the Lee Classic Turret Press Kit and Lee Carbide 38 special 4-die set. I mounted the press on a 3/4" piece of hardwood and bolted it to my (old) computer desk. I bought a 9 oz. jug of Trail Boss powder and am using CCI small pistol primers. I loaded my first 50 rounds this past Sunday afternoon, and 100 more this morning while waiting on the hurricane (Michael leftovers). At this point I am averaging about 50 rounds per hour, but I am really taking my time to make sure everything is right.

I am impressed how easy the Lee Turret press is to use, and how quickly you get used to the "feel" of the unit. It came with the Lee Auto-Prime system, which works great once you get the feel of it. I am pretty close to 100% when adding primers to the primer pocket with the auto prime. An overhead light helps me confirm that primers are in the pocket properly. As far as seating the primers, I have also learned how much force to use to seat the primers. Again, it took a number of rounds to learn that feel, but now it is a very positive feel. Spent primers drop down a catch-tube and can be dumped periodically.

My press came with the Lee Auto Drum powder measure. I used the Lee powder measure balance that came with the kit to set the powder measure to the proper load. I also used a small Hornady digital powder scale to double check the calibration of the Auto Drum. So far, I have found the Auto Drum to be very repeatable from charge - to - charge. I dropped 34 charges yesterday, weighed each one and found the accuracy to be (target weight) +/_ 0.1 grain. I purchased a small bore light, strapped it to the turret frame and positioned the light so that I can positively see each charge from the Auto Drum. This works well for me. I just have to lean forward slightly to see the powder charge in the case. So far I am visually checking 100% of the powder charges, realizing this takes time and slows down the process.

I am using .38 caliber 125 g Black Poly Coat TCFPBB HI-TEK bullets purchased from Red River Bullets. I used Georgia Arms .38 Special 125 grain RNFP cowboy loads as a pattern for OAL. The Georgia Arms cowboy rounds fed 100% in my rifle so far, so I thought that OAL would be a good starting point. I am trying to make an exact duplicate.

Fired off 15 or so of the rounds, and they worked. SUCCESS!

So, after 150 rounds I am certainly not a pro, but I am learning and making progress. And I cannot describe "how much fun this is". Thanks again for all of the help and advice in getting me to this point.
 
Thanks for sharing; looks like you are well on your way. The Georgia Arms ammo is good but I’ve always thought it was a little warmer than necessary. How do your Trail Boss loads compare.

I worked up a .45 Colt load for use in a rifle for Wild Bunch. I had a handful of Georgia Arms 200 grain cowboy loads that the label claimed were at 750 fps. I chrono’d them in a 20” rifle and they were pushing almost 1100 fps. They’d probably do less out of a pistol but not much.

Come shoot with us in SC sometime!
 
How do your Trail Boss loads compare?

Come shoot with us in SC sometime!

I've only shot a few of my own handloads so far. I only copied the OAL of the Georgia Arms. I think my reloads with Trail Boss are not as stout as the Georgia Arms, but I do not have a chronograph. I don't know if you can post load data here or not, but I used 3.4 Trail Boss. I didn't say 3.4 what! Could be 3.4 truckloads. You get the drift. I got my loading info off of SASS Wire. I was hoping that this amount of TB powder would physically prevent a double charge, but I can get two charges in a .38 special case, but no room left for the bullet.
 
Come shoot with us in SC sometime!

I shot my 2nd cowboy match today. This is really a fantastic hobby. A great way to spend a Saturday. My best times today were about 10 seconds better than anything I shot in the 1st match. Making progress, but still making stupid mistakes!!! The SxS shotgun is the real challenge to me. My best time so far, by the way, was about 50 seconds. Not too bad for a noob.
 
There’s some satisfaction in using ammo you made to shoot a match. Keep posting; I’m happy to read of your progress.
 
Congrats!

In my opinion, the LCT is a great press. Unless a new reloader has specific needs, I generally recommend the LCT as a first press.

Hard to go wrong with Trailboss in 38 special. You won't get stout loads with it, though. Some powder measures have a problem with it, but I think the Lee measures with the elastomeric wipers work better with difficult powders than a lot of the more expensive measures.

Welcome to the addiction. :)
 
I have a couple of questions regarding the Lee Classic Turret press. (1) on the first stage, which is sizing - decapping - priming, occasionally the decapping pin is pushed up. This requires removing the die, loosening the collet, resetting the pin and then tightening the collet and reinstalling the die. I have had this happen as often as 4 times per 100. Today I did 100 rounds and had no issues. Does anyone know what exactly causes the pin to back out of the collet? I did notice on the 4 failures that I had yesterday, the old primer was never pushed out of the primer pocket. It also happened on 4 different manufacturers of spent brass. I started tightening the collet really tight, and it does not happen as often, but still occasionally happens. (2) the auto index feature works OK, but it does not stop exactly where it should each time. On the decapping station and the powder station, I have to take my left hand and move the turret a slight amount forward to match the turret to the shell holder. I have tried the procedure in the instructions to make the advance to next stage work properly, but nothing ever changes. Anybody have any ideas about this auto index adjustment?

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.....(1) Does anyone know what exactly causes the pin to back out of the collet? I did notice on the 4 failures that I had yesterday, the old primer was never pushed out of the primer pocket. It also happened on 4 different manufacturers of spent brass. I started tightening the collet really tight, and it does not happen as often, but still occasionally happens.

It is designed that way so that whenever it meets too much resistance, it will push out instead of bending or breaking. Could be your problem is the brass not being all the way into the shell holder (mine has that problem a lot with 9mm). If you start to feel too much resistance, don't force it, check to see that the case is all the way in. Also check to make sure the pin isn't bent slightly, causing it to miss the flash hole. Also, you don't need to take the die out, I've adjusted the decapping rod while on the press. Just put a case in the shell holder and run the ram all the way up, that will hold the decapping rod in place while you tighten the collet. Use one wrench to hold the die, another to tighten the collet.

(2) the auto index feature works OK, but it does not stop exactly where it should each time. On the decapping station and the powder station, I have to take my left hand and move the turret a slight amount forward to match the turret to the shell holder. I have tried the procedure in the instructions to make the advance to next stage work properly, but nothing ever changes. Anybody have any ideas about this auto index adjustment?

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Thanks for the comments. And thanks for the suggestion about resetting the pin while the die is in place. I will try that. I have tried adjusting the index with the instructions that you posted many times, and have yet to see the index position change. The next time around I still have to take my free hand and make a slight adjustment forward to make the shell holder line up with the decapping die. I called Lee Precision and they told me to use the same instructions. I must still be doing something wrong. Thanks again, I appreciate it.
 
I don’t own a LCT but it seems like I have come across some YouTube videos showing the index adjustment. Also check the little plastic square part for damage.
 
I was gonna say to check that the little plastic bit isn't boogered up. I pull the indexing rod out of mine & use it as an indexable single stage & perform each process in runs of 50-100, then index to the next die by hand.
 
I was gonna say to check that the little plastic bit isn't boogered up. I pull the indexing rod out of mine & use it as an indexable single stage & perform each process in runs of 50-100, then index to the next die by hand.
That is pretty much what I do with mine. About the only time I use the indexing rod is if I am making 100 or more rounds or 357mag.
 
Well, I loaded about 250 rounds of 38 special today and the auto-index feature was still off cycle. The good news is that I did not have the depriming pin back out a single time. I watched some youtube videos and learned about the square ratchet piece. I took the press apart and checked the square ratchet piece, but it looked OK. I lubed everything up and put it back together (twice). After the 2nd time, the auto index started working correctly, but I don't know what I did to fix it. I called Lee Precision and ordered some extra plastic ratchet pieces. I think the press needed cleaning and lube more than anything else. Thanks to all for the feedback and advice. Reloading is a daily adventure.
 
That is pretty much what I do with mine. About the only time I use the indexing rod is if I am making 100 or more rounds or 357mag.

I'm too OCD/perfectionist for even that. Lol! I might not check every charge weight for a run of .41Mag with the classic 8gr Unique & 215gr LSWC combo, but when I'm running over 16gr of 2400 under a 240gr Keith or over 19gr of 4227 under a 200gr GCWFN in my .357Maximum, I like to double & triple check that everything is correct.
 
I'm too OCD/perfectionist for even that. Lol! I might not check every charge weight for a run of .41Mag with the classic 8gr Unique & 215gr LSWC combo, but when I'm running over 16gr of 2400 under a 240gr Keith or over 19gr of 4227 under a 200gr GCWFN in my .357Maximum, I like to double & triple check that everything is correct.
I'm the same way most of the time. I weigh every charge for my 44 and 460 magnums. I'm not loading at max charge in those, but still....
 
I used a LCT for a long time. The indexing system is finicky as you've discovered. My tricks to make it function were:
- wrap a wire tie or tiny zip tie around the plastic clamshell gizmo that holds the indexing square. It will help hold it closed and prevent flexing, making indexing more reliable.
- lubricate the indexing rod with light machine oil
- *never* cycle the press if you feel resistance "out of time" - you'll notice this with experience.
- buy the plastic square index pieces in bulk and toss them whenever it starts go go sideways. They're designed to fail and you can't tell by looking at them when they've gone bad.

I eventually sold the LCT and upgraded to a Loadmaster because I'm a real glutton for punishment and the LCT just didn't need enough tinkering for my taste.
 
Yes, the vertical portion of the clamp that looks like two halves of a cylinder. I noticed on mine that the two halves would flex open a little bit even when the screw was tight.
 
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