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The interchangeable magazine adaptor is a really cool idea. Other then that it doesn't really look like anything special. Also kinda feel like everybody who wants a pcc that shares mags with their primary carry gun probably already has one. Still a neat idea though.
 
C-doodle said:
The interchangeable magazine adaptor is a really cool idea. Other then that it doesn't really look like anything special. Also kinda feel like everybody who wants a pcc that shares mags with their primary carry gun probably already has one. Still a neat idea though.
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Yeah Beretta did that years ago with the PX4 and the CX4.
 
A friend picked one up yesterday. Iā€™m waiting for his thoughts after firing it.
 
What's "meh" but slightly worse? That's how I feel about this.
I hope Extar makes a rifle version of their pistol. It will be cheaper and do the same thing.
 
Exspiravit said:
What's "meh" but slightly worse? That's how I feel about this.
I hope Extar makes a rifle version of their pistol. It will be cheaper and do the same thing.
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It really doesnā€™t bring anything to the table other than the S&W logo. At $700+ it is going to struggle I think. Heck that is Henry Homesteader prices!
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
It isnā€™t the prettiest girl at the dance thatā€™s for sure. The mag well could use a bit of styling although it seems there is room designed in for longer cartridges. 10 mm perhaps?

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I suspect that's just to keep the overall size of the magwell ARish for optics.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Not sure if I understand your comment. CMMG just trims the magwell back.

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They just kept the overall dimension of an AR magwell to keep the looks more along the lines of an AR. Never been a big fan of PCCs with what looks like twigs hanging out of a big magwell, personally.
 
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Stogies said:
They just kept the overall dimension of an AR magwell to keep the looks more along the lines of an AR. Never been a big fan of PCCs with what looks like twigs hanging out of a big magwell, personally.
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My guess is they use the same molds and tooling for full size ARs in manufacturing. Such as 15-22
This will sell well. PCCs are very popular and S&W has a loyal brand following the ability to use the same pistol mag in a PCC is a huge advantage, prior to this owners of S&W M&P really didnā€™t have a good options
 
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Someone needs to have an intervention with S&W's R&D department.
 
He acknowledges that the first rifle was sluggish to cycle and likely had a defect in the buffer tube causing drag. This prevented the rifle from going fully into battery. While this is certainly plausible, it doesnā€™t explain why the rifle was able to ignite the primer while OOB. His point about blowback firearms being notorious for OOB discharge is true, but whether thatā€™s an inherent design issue or something particular to the S&W response remains unclear. Since this rifle is a hideous piece of plastic in a crowded 9mm pcc market, it Is of no real significance to me although Iā€™m sure many folks will buy it.
 
92G said:
He acknowledges that the first rifle was sluggish to cycle and likely had a defect in the buffer tube causing drag. This prevented the rifle from going fully into battery. While this is certainly plausible, it doesnā€™t explain why the rifle was able to ignite the primer while OOB. His point about blowback firearms being notorious for OOB discharge is true, but whether thatā€™s an inherent design issue or something particular to the S&W response remains unclear. Since this rifle is a hideous piece of plastic in a crowded 9mm pcc market, it Is of no real significance to me although Iā€™m sure many folks will buy it.
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You would think it would be designed so the hammer could not reach the firing pin unless fully in battery. He said that it looked like it took standard AR-15 trigger mechanism which inherently does not have a disconnector to prevent the hammer from falling (that is accomplished by the cam surface keeping the firing pin and bolt face away from each other until locked). Perhaps it was a design oversight?
I need to check my PCCā€™s to see if this is possible.
 
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This is probably a bit more palatable to some departments compared to the folding carbine. I bet they justified it by saying they could try and sell these along with their pistols to a department and pitch it as cost savings. Same mags, same ammo, no need to buy a different caliber (5.56) for the rifles and all that. I see why they thought that... but I don't know of a lot of departments that run PCCs. Most patrol guys/gals get an AR-15 or a shotgun as their long gun.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
You would think it would be designed so the hammer could not reach the firing pin unless fully in battery. He said that it looked like it took standard AR-15 trigger mechanism which inherently does not have a disconnector to prevent the hammer from falling (that is accomplished by the cam surface keeping the firing pin and bolt face away from each other until locked). Perhaps it was a design oversight?
I need to check my PCCā€™s to see if this is possible.
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So what did you find?
 
Stogies said:
So what did you find?
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The Kalashnikov KP9 has a firing pin block so no out of battery discharge is possible.
Henry Homesteader does not have a dedicated out of battery safety but it appears the bolt and hammer are shaped such the hammer can not hit the firing pin unless the bolt is forward (or at least less than 1/8ā€ out of battery). I put a primed case in the chamber and used a 1/8ā€ allen to simulate this. pictures below.

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A bit perturbing for a company like S&W?
 
C-doodle said:
The interchangeable magazine adaptor is a really cool idea. Other then that it doesn't really look like anything special. Also kinda feel like everybody who wants a pcc that shares mags with their primary carry gun probably already has one. Still a neat idea though.
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Not everyone has a perfect pair (sharing ammo and mags) that wants one. I"m still in that market to pair up with my Springfield XDM Elite 10mm. Would have been easier to go with a Glock (since so many pic's use glock mags), but I just don't like the feel of Glocks. I'll have to look into the S&Wā€¦ see if they offer an adaptable mag pcc in 10mm that pairs with Springfield xdm's. That video is not promising but I generally have confidence in S&W.
 
KLB said:
Not everyone has a perfect pair (sharing ammo and mags) that wants one. I"m still in that market to pair up with my Springfield XDM Elite 10mm. Would have been easier to go with a Glock (since so many pic's use glock mags), but I just don't like the feel of Glocks. I'll have to look into the S&Wā€¦ see if they offer an adaptable mag pcc in 10mm that pairs with Springfield xdm's. That video is not promising but I generally have confidence in S&W.
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Lately S&W has has a couple of hiccups and this one was a bit of a doosey.
 
Here's my analysis of why it had the kaboom: https://blowback9.wordpress.com/2024/03/31/sw-response-recall-fix/

Long story short - the "controlled feed" bolt face design they chose to use allows OOB discharges before chambering. A "normal" 9mm bolt doesn't have this problem. I wrote an article about this exact problem in 2022 when it happened to me with a bolt modified by a gunsmith to the "controlled feed" design.

Mr. GNG's gun had a friction issue where the bolt stopped before chambering and the hammer could still hit the firing pin with enough force to ignite the primer = kaboom. Their recall fix appears to be a new firing pin that's shorter at the back so it's harder for the hammer to reach the pin if the bolt is OOB.

I suspect their fix will work, but they will see more "hammer follow/light strike" issues instead, which is better than a kaboom.
 
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