No More Illegal Knives in Texas

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H*ll of a note that you couldn't carry a BOWIE knife in Texas...

"Good news! Governor Abbott, on 6/15/17, signed into law a bill that the Texas legislature passed back in May, removing the designation of certain knives as “illegal.” This new law, effective September first, will make it legal to carry previously banned knives. Prior to this change, knives over 5.5”, throwing knives, dirks, daggers, poniards, Bowie knives, swords, and spears were illegal to possess in public.

Since 2010 through the efforts of the national advocacy organization Knife Rights, 12 states have passed laws lessening or eliminating knife restrictions. Texas passed statewide “knife law preemption” in 2015, with the result that no city or county may have knife laws that are more restrictive than the state laws. Previously San Antonio and Corpus Christi were among those Texas cities enhancing knife-restrictions. Also in 2013, the Texas prohibition on automatic opening knives was removed. Since that time, automatic opening knives have been legal to carry."

https://tnm.me/news/tnm-news/no-illegal-knives-tnm-legislative-update
 
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Elenaidan said:
Went to the 911 memorial today with a folder in my bag. They wanted to know if I was LEO or active military and why did I heed such a big knife. 3" folder. These people have no clue. You should not need permission to carry a knife......... period.
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3 inches is nothing.

At least that's what she said.
 
Elenaidan said:
Went to the 911 memorial today with a folder in my bag. They wanted to know if I was LEO or active military and why did I heed such a big knife. 3" folder. These people have no clue. You should not need permission to carry a knife......... period.
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You could have responded: it's a tool. Like the six inch one in my pants.
 
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Speaking of knives...

I just ordered a FUK from Amazon. (That would be a "F*ck U Knife").

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6WI1J6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Basically it's my "f*ck you (Disney/baseball arena/concert hall)" knife. It's got a ceramic blade (ZrO2) and the rest is all plastic. It's sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm.

When I get a chance at work, I'm going to run it through a metal detector and check it with a wand to verify it's not detectable that way. If it's not, I'm ordering about 20 of them and will be giving them out to various people.

My wife will be the first on my list. She, like me, carries her pocket knife everywhere and it galls her to no end to be told she can't carry her pocket knife when we go to a baseball game, Disney, etc.

Won't pass a TSA body scan, though.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Speaking of knives...

I just ordered a FUK from Amazon. (That would be a "F*ck U Knife").

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6WI1J6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Basically it's my "f*ck you (Disney/baseball arena/concert hall)" knife. It's got a ceramic blade (ZrO2) and the rest is all plastic. It's sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm.

When I get a chance at work, I'm going to run it through a metal detector and check it with a wand to verify it's not detectable that way. If it's not, I'm ordering about 20 of them and will be giving them out to various people.

My wife will be the first on my list. She, like me, carries her pocket knife everywhere and it galls her to no end to be told she can't carry her pocket knife when we go to a baseball game, Disney, etc.

Won't pass a TSA body scan, though.
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I require that you post the results of this test because for that price, I'll order a dozen.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Speaking of knives...

I just ordered a FUK from Amazon. (That would be a "F*ck U Knife").

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6WI1J6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Basically it's my "f*ck you (Disney/baseball arena/concert hall)" knife. It's got a ceramic blade (ZrO2) and the rest is all plastic. It's sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm.

When I get a chance at work, I'm going to run it through a metal detector and check it with a wand to verify it's not detectable that way. If it's not, I'm ordering about 20 of them and will be giving them out to various people.

My wife will be the first on my list. She, like me, carries her pocket knife everywhere and it galls her to no end to be told she can't carry her pocket knife when we go to a baseball game, Disney, etc.

Won't pass a TSA body scan, though.
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Please post results!
 
spittinfire said:
I require that you post the results of this test because for that price, I'll order a dozen.
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Oh, I will all right.

I tried looking the subject up with my google-fu, but what I found was a whole lot of bullsh*t posted by people who don't know, never actually tested it, and "heard" this or that. (A common one was "I heard manufacturers add metal so that they're detectable by metal detectors.")

Ceramics are a metal and non-metal compound. In this case, the blade is Zirconium Oxide. But (contrary to popular belief amongst the ignorant internet population), the metal in the ceramic alloy does NOT automatically mean it's detectible by metal detectors.

Metals, by themselves, are either magnetically permeable (they conduct magnetic force) or non-permeable (they do not conduct magnetic force). Iron is a well known magnetically permeable metal and aluminum is a well known non-magnetically permeable metal. However, BOTH will distort/disturb magnetic lines of force...and it's this distortion/disturbance which metal detectors actually "detect".

Bonding metals to non-metals to make a ceramic generally results in something which does not distort/disturb a magnetic field, or at least not significantly enough to be detectable by metal detectors used like we're discussing.


Some other alternatives I've considered is obsidian, which I can obtain and fashion my own knife from, and carbon fiber, which some knives are made of.

Carbon fiber won't have much of a "cutting edge", per se...but as a reasonable knife-like weapon it would be satisfactory for use against the flesh of an attacker in slashing or stabbing moves.
 
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I like others would love to hear YOUR results because even as stated above Abe didn't trust what was on the interweb and at least you being a forum member with common sense carries some form of base on your personal observations.
 
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BigWaylon said:
@RetiredUSNChief

You get the knives, yet?
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I haven't bought more yet...I haven't had a chance to test it out with a walkthrough metal detector or wand yet. I'm probably going back down to Kings Bay, GA next week, and I know they wand just about everybody when they're going onto the submarines there, so I'll check it then.
 
I know the cheap paring ceramic knives that HFT sells have a metal strip in the handle just for foiling your metal detecting plans. Easy enough to ditch that. I think I would rather have a small fixed blade than a folder that didn't lock and was sharp as a razor. Kydex can cover the blade and you can make a paracord handle easy enough.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Speaking of knives...

I just ordered a FUK from Amazon. (That would be a "F*ck U Knife").

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6WI1J6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Basically it's my "f*ck you (Disney/baseball arena/concert hall)" knife. It's got a ceramic blade (ZrO2) and the rest is all plastic. It's sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm.

When I get a chance at work, I'm going to run it through a metal detector and check it with a wand to verify it's not detectable that way. If it's not, I'm ordering about 20 of them and will be giving them out to various people.

My wife will be the first on my list. She, like me, carries her pocket knife everywhere and it galls her to no end to be told she can't carry her pocket knife when we go to a baseball game, Disney, etc.

Won't pass a TSA body scan, though.
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Doesn't the body scan map the surface? Us fat guys can just hide that sucker in a crevice.
 
Looks like I'm definitely headed to Kings Bay, GA next week for several days. I'll be bringing my FUK and I'll have one of the sentries pierside wand it to see what happens. I'll post the results when I do.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Speaking of knives...

I just ordered a FUK from Amazon. (That would be a "F*ck U Knife").

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6WI1J6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Basically it's my "f*ck you (Disney/baseball arena/concert hall)" knife. It's got a ceramic blade (ZrO2) and the rest is all plastic. It's sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm.


Won't pass a TSA body scan, though.
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If you're TSA Pre Check you go through an old fashion metal detector turned down to the point your watch doesn't set it off. So there's that...
 
HERE IS THE RESULT OF MY TESTING:

I'm currently in sunny Kings Bay, GA doing engineering support work at the submarine base here. Last week, when I showed up, I had a Marine wand my ceramic knife...and dang if it didn't beep every time he passed the wand over it!

Anyway, tonight I pulled the knife out and took a close look at it. Turns out that the screw which holds the blade in is metal. I had thought it was plastic, since everything else about the body of the knife was plastic.

So, I pulled the metal screw and socket out of the knife tonight and when I went down to one of the submarines to check some equipment I had the topside watchstander specifically wand the knife for me again.

It absolutely did NOT set the wand off. And the wand was sensitive enough to beep at the eyelets in my shoes and the credit card strips in my wallet.


SO...I'm going to have to look around and see if I can find some plastic screws and sockets to replace the metal one in my knife. When I find them, I'll buy a bunch of them so I can replace the metal screws whenever I get these knives.

Yes...when I get around to doing this, I'll post my source on these as well.


BOTTOM LINE: The ceramic blade in this knife does NOT set off metal detectors.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
HERE IS THE RESULT OF MY TESTING:

I'm currently in sunny Kings Bay, GA doing engineering support work at the submarine base here. Last week, when I showed up, I had a Marine wand my ceramic knife...and dang if it didn't beep every time he passed the wand over it!

Anyway, tonight I pulled the knife out and took a close look at it. Turns out that the screw which holds the blade in is metal. I had thought it was plastic, since everything else about the body of the knife was plastic.

So, I pulled the metal screw and socket out of the knife tonight and when I went down to one of the submarines to check some equipment I had the topside watchstander specifically wand the knife for me again.

It absolutely did NOT set the wand off. And the wand was sensitive enough to beep at the eyelets in my shoes and the credit card strips in my wallet.


SO...I'm going to have to look around and see if I can find some plastic screws and sockets to replace the metal one in my knife. When I find them, I'll buy a bunch of them so I can replace the metal screws whenever I get these knives.

Yes...when I get around to doing this, I'll post my source on these as well.


BOTTOM LINE: The ceramic blade in this knife does NOT set off metal detectors.
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If the bolt set it off, that's one ridiculously sensitive wand. You'll never see a walk-through or wand that sensitive generally. If they were, lines would never get through them. For example as I posted earlier if you're TSA precheck, they turn them down so far you can walk right through with your watch on. At the courthouse in Raleigh, a Friend walked through with his P3at clipped to his belt. Still plenty of metal in that gun and it didn't set it off.
 
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I know some of you are excited by the ceramic knives, but how solid are the blades? I thought they were susceptible to lateral stress. Lots of dynamic stress in a fight. If you're planning to fight with it, consider it's limitations. If it's going to be a utility blade, then it's not as critical.

As far as the law, Machete will be happy. :D
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Ceramic blades are brittle...they have no flex or give like steel blades. Additionally, they have to be sharpened with specialized tools. Out of the box, this thing is sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm.

They will retain an edge a LOT longer than steel...but using them on hard surfaces like countertops and such will eventually chip the edge.


Will I be using this knife routinely, like I do my other pocket knife? No. Will it work plenty well for purposes that don't involve prying, heavy cutting like through wood, and such? Oh, yeah.

The point of me having one is so I can actually HAVE a knife on my person. The blade is less than 3 inches long, built sturdy enough to serve if needed. It's not a "fighting knife"...but it IS a knife and a knife in hand is far better than a knife NOT in hand.

And for $5 to $6 bucks, what's not to like? If it does break...I'll toss it and get another out of the drawer.
 
bigfelipe said:
If the bolt set it off, that's one ridiculously sensitive wand. You'll never see a walk-through or wand that sensitive generally. If they were, lines would never get through them. For example as I posted earlier if you're TSA precheck, they turn them down so far you can walk right through with your watch on. At the courthouse in Raleigh, a Friend walked through with his P3at clipped to his belt. Still plenty of metal in that gun and it didn't set it off.
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Yes...it IS sensitive. And that's what I wanted...I wanted to know whether this thing could be detected or not by a metal detector. If it can't be detected with a wand set that sensitive, then it's all good.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
SO...I'm going to have to look around and see if I can find some plastic screws and sockets to replace the metal one in my knife. When I find them, I'll buy a bunch of them so I can replace the metal screws whenever I get these knives.

Yes...when I get around to doing this, I'll post my source on these as well.


BOTTOM LINE: The ceramic blade in this knife does NOT set off metal detectors.
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You ever find a replacement screw and socket?

Wonder if @Djstorm100 or somebody could print us one?

We're planning a Disney trip in the near future and after my 3-hour excursion last time due to having a gun on me...no metal detectors going where we went, but they had them on the return trip. :mad:

I'm going to grab a knife or two and may some other option(s). The link you posted shows then unavailable at the moment. :(
 
BigWaylon said:
You ever find a replacement screw and socket?

Wonder if @Djstorm100 or somebody could print us one?

We're planning a Disney trip in the near future and after my 3-hour excursion last time due to having a gun on me...no metal detectors going where we went, but they had them on the return trip. :mad:

I'm going to grab a knife or two and may some other option(s). The link you posted shows then unavailable at the moment. :(
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I could or machine something out. I have a pretty slick idea on using a metal screw.
 
BigWaylon said:
You ever find a replacement screw and socket?

Wonder if @Djstorm100 or somebody could print us one?

We're planning a Disney trip in the near future and after my 3-hour excursion last time due to having a gun on me...no metal detectors going where we went, but they had them on the return trip. :mad:

I'm going to grab a knife or two and may some other option(s). The link you posted shows then unavailable at the moment. :(
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No, I never did find one, and I looked for HOURS online.

Sent a brother of mine a couple of the knives, maybe he and a friend can whip up a 3D post and screw that'll work.
 
spittinfire said:
I wonder if going to a different type of metal would make a difference. If aluminum or titanium fastener might not trigger the wand as quickly.
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I was thinking that as well. What about brass? If the brass stud in a Fat Boy belt doesn't set off a metal detector, a screw that's probably less metal shouldn't either.

I found a 4-pack of the ceramic "bird" knives and ordered them. Along with some Zytel knives and delta darts.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
Doesn't the body scan map the surface? Us fat guys can just hide that sucker in a crevice.
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TSA lady wanted to see my wrists after the body scan, I had a polo on short sleeves and nothing on my wrists.;)
 
bigfelipe said:
If you're TSA Pre Check you go through an old fashion metal detector turned down to the point your watch doesn't set it off. So there's that...
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I went through the metal detector at Charlotte Douglas a couple of months ago and my belt buckle set it off. The same belt as the previous dozen or so times with no problem. I took the belt off and sent it down the conveyor and walked through with no problem. I looked at the TSA agent and said "that things gotten more sensitive". He replied, "Yep".
 
bigfelipe said:
If the bolt set it off, that's one ridiculously sensitive wand. You'll never see a walk-through or wand that sensitive generally. If they were, lines would never get through them. For example as I posted earlier if you're TSA precheck, they turn them down so far you can walk right through with your watch on. At the courthouse in Raleigh, a Friend walked through with his P3at clipped to his belt. Still plenty of metal in that gun and it didn't set it off.
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Sorry, I don't see where I responded to this before.

Yes, they're set ridiculously sensitive. But then, we're talking about Marines providing security for a submarine base that home ports ballistic missile submarines and all the nuclear weapons storage and handling that goes into that.

Marines who are tasked with nuclear weapons security (or nuclear fuel movements for defueling/refueling submarines) are dead serious about their jobs. And "dead" isn't just a euphemism, here.

That doesn't mean you have to take your jeans off for metal zippers or rivets. Pretty much, you empty your pockets of all metal, they wand you, and that's it. If they think it's a large enough signal to worry about, they'll proceed further at that point.

My experience with TSA, when they use a wand, is pretty much the same thing...except, of course, I don't have to strip half-naked and stand there in my socks holding my pants up because I don't have a belt on.

The thing that would get people with a ceramic knife would be body scanners and X-Ray machines. Body scanners will find objects on the body even under clothing. Properly used, of course. And X-ray machines will see the ceramic blades because, of course, X-Rays are all about seeing things of different densities. You can, of course, disassemble the knife and position the blade vertically or lengthwise so that it's edge-on to the machine when you put your bag through. But good X-Ray operators will be alert to this and anything that's questionable will either be sent through in another orientation or physically searched.

I wonder, though...if you taped the ceramic blade to the bottom of your foot, I'm thinking it probably wouldn't be detected by the scanner.

Just sayin'...
 
spittinfire said:
You could make a screw out of delrin if you know a machinist. It's very durable when contained, makes great bushings.
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I was inking, for all the effort it would take to make a plastic post and screw, of getting a plastic rod of the right diameter, cutting small lengths to suit, inserting them in the hole in place of the post and screw, then heating/deforming both ends until they were spread out and flattened.

It would be quick and easy.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
I was inking, for all the effort it would take to make a plastic post and screw, of getting a plastic rod of the right diameter, cutting small lengths to suit, inserting them in the hole in place of the post and screw, then heating/deforming both ends until they were spread out and flattened.
It would be quick and easy.
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Try mixing a bit of high quality epoxy and inject it into the screw hole with a syringe.
 
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