Not helping the cause....

Why can’t remember the 6 points to every story we learned in 3rd grade English?
Who, What, Why, When, Where and How?
What’s the make and model of the 22?
If unmodified, the manufacturer should be accountable, along with the irresponsible (careless, holsterless) owner.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
Why can’t remember the 6 points to every story we learned in 3rd grade English?
Who, What, Why, When, Where and How?
What’s the make and model of the 22?
If unmodified, the manufacturer should be accountable, along with the irresponsible (careless, holsterless) owner.
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My Guess is a modified
Phoenix Arms HP22
 
I looked at that video frame-by-frame and while it's very fuzzy you can make out a *TINY* flash of silver as it falls from his pocket. The story states that it's a 22 and we know it fired when it hit the floor. I'm going to speculate it was a NAA 22 that was not carried in a safe condition (hammer in a safety notch).

ETA: I don't own one of these to check it myself but I just watched Hickock45 load one up with the hammer resting on a live round.
 
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As long as the careless shooter was here illegally, had a criminal record, stole the firearm from a Park Ranger, and the victim died in her father's arms, I don't see any reason to be upset with him.

Maybe a few months in county, then turn 'im loose in a sanctuary area.
 
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Plaxico moved to SC? Or was it the backflipping cop?

Either way, there was a boogerhook in the bangswitch.
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It fell from his sweatpants and went bang when it hit the floor. It's in the video. Sweatpants being the operative word, in my opinion. You don't carry in sweatpants. :rolleyes:

The guy wasn't charged though... and he was from across the bridge in NC.

“Although the act was irresponsible, irresponsibility does not rise to the level of criminality,” Tolson said.

In other words... Dumba$$.
 
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He was a concealed carry holder from NC and it is being called an accident and no charges will be filed! Are you kidding me? Your dumbass is carrying a gun in an unsafe manner and it falls out of your pocket and shoots someone and you get away with an, "oops I'm sorry". That's just wrong. He should be charged just like the backflipping FBI agent was in Denver. Moron!
 
Catfish said:
He may still be sued. He's not off the hook yet.

And if I recall correctly wasn't Denver officer drinking?
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IDK. Does it matter to the guy with a bullet in his leg whether the shooter was drinking or just a dumbass?
 
SPST said:
He was a concealed carry holder from NC and it is being called an accident and no charges will be filed! Are you kidding me? Your dumbass is carrying a gun in an unsafe manner and it falls out of your pocket and shoots someone and you get away with an, "oops I'm sorry". That's just wrong. He should be charged just like the backflipping FBI agent was in Denver. Moron!
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Actually, I found it refreshing and open minded that he wasn't charged. Otherwise, it's anti-2nd, gun fearing reaction, demonizing gun owners.
 
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SPST said:
IDK. Does it matter to the guy with a bullet in his leg whether the shooter was drinking or just a dumbass?
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Yeah it should. Drinking is a choice, stupidity is... just stupid.


Example: run someone over in your car by accident. Is it worse if you were drunk?
 
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So if some moron drops his unholstered gun and it shoots you in the leg can you "accidentally" shoot him back. I have one word for this and traffic crashes, RESPONSIBILITY!
 
I'm gonna say no, and also that I agree with you. Derp-finger absolutely needs to hold himself accountable for his accident and the damage it caused. I'm just wondering why it seems to irk you that he's not charged with a crime?
 
Here's your what if for the day. I often carry in my back pocket, in a holster. Let's say it goes off. Not sure how it could but let's say it does. I fall down or something. Should I be charged? You may think carrying in a back pocket irresponsible, I don't anymore than you carrying kidney is irresponsible yet your trigger could get caught on your shirt and fire. Plenty of people carry in their front pocket, that irresponsible? They are called pocket pistols for a reason.
 
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I'm gonna say no, and also that I agree with you. Derp-finger absolutely needs to hold himself accountable for his accident and the damage it caused. I'm just wondering why it seems to irk you that he's not charged with a crime?
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Well, how about discharging a gun inside a business for starters? And at the minimum he should be charged for being a dumbass. What if it had hit the guy in the head or femoral artery or hit the baby in the high chair at the other table. Oops I'm sorry just doesn't sit well with me. If you are going to carry a gun, you need to be responsible for every bullet that comes out of it, even "accidental" ones. I hope the guy that got shot sue's the pants off of Mr pocket carry with no holster. Stupid is as stupid does. He needs to pay dearly for that stupidity. Maybe he will learn something from it?
 
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Here's your what if for the day. I often carry in my back pocket, in a holster. Let's say it goes off. Not sure how it could but let's say it does. I fall down or something. Should I be charged? You may think carrying in a back pocket irresponsible, I don't anymore than you carrying kidney is irresponsible yet your trigger could get caught on your shirt and fire. Plenty of people carry in their front pocket, that irresponsible? They are called pocket pistols for a reason.
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Carry however you want, but if you "accidentally" shoot someone, you should be held totally responsible for it. If you get shot at lunch tomorrow by some dumbass like this are you going to look at the guy and say, "No problem dude. Don't worry about it. It was just an accident?"
 
I thought them guns that went off when you dropped them were illegal to own in SC.
 
SPST said:
And at the minimum he should be charged for being a dumbass
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Oh man do I wish that was illegal!
Aside from bringing The Law into it I think we're on the same page.
 
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No crime was committed.

"Prosecutors with the 16th Circuit Solicitor’s Office in York reviewed the case and agreed no crime had been committed, Tolson said."

If no crime was committed, why was the gun taken for evidence?

"Police talked to witnesses and reviewed video surveillance from the restaurant. The gun was taken as evidence, police said."
 
Unfortunately, there's not a law against stupidity and just as unfortunately most of us have done stupid things. And will likely do more. ;)
 
SPST said:
He was a concealed carry holder from NC and it is being called an accident and no charges will be filed! Are you kidding me? Your dumbass is carrying a gun in an unsafe manner and it falls out of your pocket and shoots someone and you get away with an, "oops I'm sorry". That's just wrong. He should be charged just like the backflipping FBI agent was in Denver. Moron!
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You've been implying that he won't be held responsible though you have no grounds to think that. He can be held civilly liable if he doesn't take it upon his self to make it right. Dropping your gun doesn't rise to the level of a criminal act no matter the damage done. That goes for the FBI agent too but the powers that be felt that they had to make an example out of him.

When being a dumbass becomes illegal I know a lot of folks that will need to keep their heads down.
 
Long after these two guys are forgotten, this incident will still be a stat in the 'why guns are bad' stack at the Mayors office.
With matching video! Even better.
Wanna bet the restaurant owner is, at the very least, considering gun buster signs now? What about the neighboring business's? What about his pals at the Chamber of Commerce?
Stumpy the Sweatpants just dumped a load on the rest of us.
 
@SPST , it seems most of us agree with you that Shootie McClusterphock is and should be held responsible for his carelessness. The disagreement is whether "being (held) responsible" and "being criminally charged" are the same thing. I don't think they are, and like @georgel , I find it refreshing LE did not see the need to bring charges.

The civil suit is a sure bet; there ain't a chance he's gonna walk away from the guy's medical bills and a hefty amount of compensatory damage $.

I'm damn glad no-one was killed.
 
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"The Bagel Boat" in Lake Wylie......Hahahaha! Yankees shooting yankees.
 
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