NY to start checks on Ammo and Firearm

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Found this on another site. When you think that we have problems look at what's going on around us. Fascism is alive and well in NY

Background Checks & Fees for Ammunition & Firearm Purchases

New York Timeline for New System
New York State Police Hold Informational Call
The New York State Police held a call to discuss the changes that will impact [firearm] retailers across the state as New York transitions to a Point of Contact State.
Unfortunately, the process has been done without input from the firearm industry and will most likely cause severe impacts to the firearm industry.
As discussed, the state police will be the clearing house through a web-based application for all background checks for firearms and ammunition.
Answers to many of the questions posed by the participants were not thoroughly addressed.
NY State police did lay out a timeline for the roll-out along with explaining an upcoming addition to their FAQ section on the website concerning this major change. The call was accompanied by 2 slides with bullet point generally explaining the process with very little detail (below).
While lacking concrete information concerning how the new system will function, recourse for when it fails, appeals processes and the inevitable delays retailers will experience, they did lay out a few bullet points referencing actions retailers must take.
All NYS Firearms and Ammunition Dealers will be able to begin the registration process on August 16th. Business Owners/Administrators will need to register the business-One Administrator for all stores. Business Administrators invite their employees to register for their business. Each user (administrators and store employees) will need an NY.gov business account. All employee transactions are seen in one dashboard for the business.
The state police also mentioned that the background check fee for firearms will be $9.00 and ammunition $2.50.
The state police said they will be the intermediary for all firearms transactions as they will contact NICS which does not explain then why they need to charge a fee.
There seems to be little misunderstanding of what exactly a point of contact state (POC) actually means.
Amazingly the state police said that there could be situations where someone could pass a background check for a firearm but fail for the ammunition. Their explanation was that for ammunition they might check more records in state, but obviously if one is prohibited from possessing or buying ammunition you would think they would also be prohibited from purchasing a firearm but not in New York’s bureaucratic world.
The targeted date to begin processing NICS applications is Wednesday, September 13th. FBI will disconnect all connections with FFLs once NY becomes a POC. All registered users will be able to login in to the NYS NICS web application and submit new NICS transactions. Transactional cost- Firearms = $9.00 and Ammunition = $2.50.
An IVR-Automated Phone application system will be available for use by all dealers with a saved payment method. Live operators will only be available to help with technical assistance; they will not have the ability to enter NICS applications on behalf of the business.
 
Downeast said:
Found this on another site. When you think that we have problems look at what's going on around us. Fascism is alive and well in NY

Background Checks & Fees for Ammunition & Firearm Purchases
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I-95 is going to get even busier.
 
For amno, on.one retailers should simply ignore this new “requirement”. For guns, obviously much more difficult, but another example of why the people and industry collectively need to stop playing the game, ignore the laws and start conducting private business again.

 
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Hellquest said:
They will at some point make tax stamps for the ammo box and background checks that are dated and timed to keep people from going out of state, watch and see.
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People will subvert that by keeping the stamped box and refilling it with put of state ammo. Instead they'll serialize ammunition and register the serial numbers to a specific owner. Non serialized ammo will be contraband that'll earn you jail time. Illinois has been trying to pass that mess for like 8 years.
 
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Downeast said:
Unfortunately, the process has been done without input from the firearm industry and will most likely cause severe impacts to the firearm industry.
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The "firearm industry" ought to simply quit supplying any firearms and ammunition to NY State officials at all.

Policing would get a wee bit more difficult for them.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
The "firearm industry" ought to simply quit supplying any firearms and ammunition to NY State officials at all.

Policing would get a wee bit more difficult for them.
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Never happen. All the PoPo have to do is shed a few crocodile tears and the "industry" will ship them all they need. Afterall, they have to protect the people from the people
 
Retailers have been collecting information for several months on ammunition purchases.

Border stores are busy in PA, OH, VT,. So far, I haven't heard any stories about NYSP staking out these out of state stores like they do with gun shows and fireworks. Crime is so low in the state that they have plenty of time and resources to do this.

They don't have answers as to how it will work, what happens when someone is denied/delayed or when the system inevitably goes down.

They don't care. The whole system is designed to delay and obfuscate a right . The fees are akin to a poll tax.
 
This (state police intermediary role) is precisely the way things have been in place, in MD-stan, for private-transfer of handgun (and effective this year, long gun ) purchases, for decades.

^That^ (private transfers conducted at state police barracks) and concealed carry permitting (state police vs sheriff) have been MA$$IVE ANNUAL WINDFALLS for the state police bureaucracy - both as BILLION$ over multiple decades AND the swelling of staff hiring and org chart expansion; like a hog‘s belly continually stuffed to the point of the gut lining busting.

Make no mistake about it: THERE IS GOOD MONEY FOR “progressive” (modern mafioso) POLITICIANS AND LEFTIST Bureaucrats in both race-baiting AND “gun control” …
 
The gun industry is/was largely based out of NY, and surrounding states. They ALL need to pick up and move to a gun friendly state and leave NY high and dry without the taxes! They also need to do like some of the other manufacturers that left Commieforia did and refuse to sell to the state that won’t allow their products there. This crap will stop almost immediately.
 
Hammer12b said:
The gun industry is/was largely based out of NY, and surrounding states. They ALL need to pick up and move to a gun friendly state and leave NY high and dry without the taxes! They also need to do like some of the other manufacturers that left Commieforia did and refuse to sell to the state that won’t allow their products there. This crap will stop almost immediately.
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I'd like to think this is correct, but I think they'd just court a foreign maker for their stuff. Or Springfield, who is complicit in trying to run all the other manufacturers/dealers out of Illinois with their attempted carveout legislation.
 
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