NYT super reporter uncovers Lake City conspiracy

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Clearly there would be no crime in America if LC didn't sell 'barrier penetrating' ammo to civilians. Pulitzer prize to this genius please.
 
“Commercial rounds are being manufactured on government property.”

Can’t see much more due to paywall, but I’m guessing the author believes gov property shouldn’t benefit or be directly accessible to the people. Not sure where this twisted line of thinking comes from.

Government property = property of the people

That’s like saying only government can use national parks. Of course the people should be able to, and I argue have a right to, use/benefit from government assets purchased with our tax dollars.
 
Pulitzer prize to this genius please.
The Pulitzer should look good on the mantle, beside the one received for their Russian Collusion reporting. 😂
 
Takeaways are:

1) LC makes ammo
2) Criminals commit crimes
3) Folks can buy the same ammo LC branded as any other commercial brand
4) LC also happens to be a military contractor

Pretty much sums it up.

 
Easily defeated. Click the X in the URL bar after the page loads and before you get the nag box wanting you to pay.

The takeaways are essentially correct, however the text is classic libtard BS.

1) LC makes ammunition, purportedly more went to civilians and other countries than the US military.
2) Gun fetishes like their ARs, but so do mass shooters.
3) LC ammo was used by mass shooters:
The list includes shootings at the Century 16 cinema in Aurora, Colo., in 2012; a social services center in San Bernardino, Calif., in 2015; a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in 2017; the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, the next month; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla, in 2018; the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh that same year; the streets of Midland and Odessa, Texas, in 2019; a FedEx warehouse in Indianapolis in 2021; tattoo studios in the Denver area later that year; a Tops supermarket in Buffalo in 2022; the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, days afterward; and a Colorado Springs nightclub, also last year.
4) Some nut that threatened to assassinate 0bozo had LC ammo.

Therefore, Lake City is bad. Bad gun. Bad ammo.
 
Easily defeated. Click the X in the URL bar after the page loads and before you get the nag box wanting you to pay.

The takeaways are essentially correct, however the text is classic libtard BS.

1) LC makes ammunition, purportedly more went to civilians and other countries than the US military.
2) Gun fetishes like their ARs, but so do mass shooters.
3) LC ammo was used by mass shooters:

4) Some nut that threatened to assassinate 0bozo had LC ammo.

Therefore, Lake City is bad. Bad gun. Bad ammo.


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No one uses this,, Logic, ?
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Ok, what am I missing? I see no X. But I would like to apply this method here & there...

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After the page loads, it should be the symbol to reload the page. Mine looks like a half circle arrow that turns to an X while loading. Click it to stop the loading before it gets to script that does the pay pop up.
 
After the page loads, it should be the symbol to reload the page. Mine looks like a half circle arrow that turns to an X while loading. Click it to stop the loading before it gets to script that does the pay pop up.
Doesn’t seem to work on iPhone
 
Here’s the drivel if anyone still interested

The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant, built during World War II, has long been operated for the federal government by private contractors. Over the past decade, a New York Times investigation found, the site has increasingly produced rounds for the commercial market as military demand has diminished.
The Army says the commercial business is meant to keep the factory in good working order so that military production can be quickly ramped up, while also reducing the cost of its ammunition. The current contractor, Olin Winchester, did not respond to inquiries from The Times.
More than one million pages of search warrants, police evidence logs, ballistic reports, forfeiture records and court proceedings compiled by The Times provide a sweeping accounting of how Lake City ammunition, once intended for war, has sometimes fallen into the hands of criminals. Here are four takeaways.

Lake City is one of the country’s biggest manufacturers of commercial rounds for AR-15-style rifles.​

By reviewing annual reports, earnings-call transcripts and government documents, and interviewing more than 40 former employees and others with knowledge of Lake City’s operations, The Times was able to determine that the site, in Independence, Mo., had manufactured hundreds of millions of rounds for the commercial market every year since at least 2011.
For most of that period, its commercial operations outstripped its military business. By 2021, commercial output — which includes retail sales as well as purchases by law enforcement agencies and foreign governments — had outpaced military production by more than two times, according to a historical overview provided by the Army.

As those rifles have appeared in crimes, so has the plant’s ammunition.​

The vast majority of Lake City rounds sold by retailers have gone to law-abiding citizens, including hunters, farmers and target shooters. Some are drawn to them because they are made with the same materials and often to the same specifications as the military’s, while others see them as an authentic accessory for their tactical weapons and gear.
But some Lake City rounds have been seized from drug dealers, violent felons, antigovernment groups, rioters at the U.S. Capitol and smugglers for Mexican cartels. They were confiscated from a man in Massachusetts who threatened to assassinate President Barack Obama and from a man at Los Angeles International Airport after he fired at a civilian and three T.S.A. agents, killing one.

Lake City rounds have been tied to at least a dozen mass shootings involving AR-15-style guns.​

The list includes shootings at the Century 16 cinema in Aurora, Colo., in 2012; a social services center in San Bernardino, Calif., in 2015; a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in 2017; the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, the next month; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla, in 2018; the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh that same year; the streets of Midland and Odessa, Texas, in 2019; a FedEx warehouse in Indianapolis in 2021; tattoo studios in the Denver area later that year; a Tops supermarket in Buffalo in 2022; the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, days afterward; and a Colorado Springs nightclub, also last year.
Payton Gendron, sentenced to life in prison for killing 10 and injuring three at the Buffalo supermarket, had mentioned Lake City in his manifesto and online diary. He planned to fire at a security guard through a window, he wrote, and the rounds made at Lake City were “the best barrier penetration ammo I can get.”

A connection to high-profile crimes was a source of concern for the plant’s contractors.​

Secrecy around commercial production has helped to hide its scale, and the Army has routinely played down the plant’s role in manufacturing ammunition for civilians. But four former employees, who were not authorized to speak publicly, said contractors worried about the possibility of Lake City ammunition’s appearing in violent crimes. After mass shootings, in particular, managers were “terrified” that journalists might discover a connection, one of them said.
Ben Dooley reports on Japan’s business and economy, with a special interest in social issues and the intersections between business and politics. More about Ben Dooley
 
Here is a snippet from the comments section regarding the Lake City Ammo piece. The first paragraph is written by a NYT reader. The response is written by Ben Dooley, the reporter and writer of the article:

Huh?
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I really don't understand the point of this article. A massive piece of journalism… but the seemingly for naught. Bullets are made commercially, obviously. So many of the bullets used are made by this LC factory. Ok, well there are other manufacturers too. And it's not like LC is directly supplying the ammo or advertising that they are the beat if you want to commit a mass shooting. Maybe I’m just thick… if not LC they would just use ammo from Sig Sauer, or otherwise. Am I missing something?
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@Huh? Thanks for the question. We chose to explore manufacturing at Lake City because it is government owned, and taxpayer supported. That makes it different from privately owned and operated ammunition facilities. And in the case of Lake City, the contractor hired by the government to operate the facility does not disclose information about the operations and declined to answer any of our questions.


My takeaway from the article is this: The NYT questions whether or not the US government should be in the market of selling commercially available ammunition, especially with the knowledge that such ammunition is highly appreciated by shooters who recognize the quality and reliability. The government and the contractor (Olin-Winchester) recognize the potential political fallout of this government/private partnership and are not interested in letting the relationship/business/profits become common knowledge, but its probably too late for that. The business is definitely making lots of money for Olin-Winchester, the current contractor operating the Lake City manufacturing plant.

Additionally, by manufacturing and selling ammo commercially, it is more efficient and effective for the military needs since the US DoD doesn't have to stop and start the plant periodically to conform with the rise and fall and rise again of the world's military ammo needs. The manufacturing plant keeps operating 24/7. That is good for the local economy, and for the DoD since the workforce is always up and running.
 
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The Remington Ammunition plant (of which CZ is the new owner) in Lonoke, Arkansas reportedly is running 24/7 as well. I would think in order for that production output to be sustainable and profitable that they would have government contracts as well.
 
Here is a snippet from the comments section regarding the Lake City Ammo piece. The first paragraph is written by a NYT reader. The response is written by Ben Dooley, the reporter and writer of the article:

Huh?
Maine Nov. 12
I really don't understand the point of this article. A massive piece of journalism… but the seemingly for naught. Bullets are made commercially, obviously. So many of the bullets used are made by this LC factory. Ok, well there are other manufacturers too. And it's not like LC is directly supplying the ammo or advertising that they are the beat if you want to commit a mass shooting. Maybe I’m just thick… if not LC they would just use ammo from Sig Sauer, or otherwise. Am I missing something?
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@Huh? Thanks for the question. We chose to explore manufacturing at Lake City because it is government owned, and taxpayer supported. That makes it different from privately owned and operated ammunition facilities. And in the case of Lake City, the contractor hired by the government to operate the facility does not disclose information about the operations and declined to answer any of our questions.


My takeaway from the article is this: The NYT questions whether or not the US government should be in the market of selling commercially available ammunition, especially with the knowledge that such ammunition is highly appreciated by shooters who recognize the quality and reliability. The government and the contractor (Olin-Winchester) recognize the potential political fallout of this government/private partnership and are not interested in letting the relationship/business/profits become common knowledge, but its probably too late for that. The business is definitely making lots of money for Olin-Winchester, the current contractor operating the Lake City manufacturing plant.

Additionally, by manufacturing and selling ammo commercially, it is more efficient and effective for the military needs since the US DoD doesn't have to stop and start the plant periodically to conform with the rise and fall and rise again of the world's military ammo needs. The manufacturing plant keeps operating 24/7. That is good for the local economy, and for the DoD since the workforce is always up and running.
And as recently demonstrated, when the military needs a bigger piece of the production they get priority.

So what the NYT is advocating here is that we should always be in a state of war that needs enough ammo to keep any from going to the public.
 
The Remington Ammunition plant (of which CZ is the new owner) in Lonoke, Arkansas reportedly is running 24/7 as well. I would think in order for that production output to be sustainable and profitable that they would have government contracts as well.
I drove by that plant on Saturday about 10am.

The parking lot was empty.
 
The manufacturing plant keeps operating 24/7. That is good for the local economy, and for the DoD since the workforce is always up and running.
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the point is that a constantly-operating ammo plant makes a lot of dead babby boolits
 
I love the comment about LC rounds were found on “rioters at the U.S. Capitol”. They can’t seem to let that go.
 
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The left knows that can't control the guns, but they can make ammo hard to get.
i feel like they've gone so far in regulating ammo, it is very much considered a component part of an operational firearm and the govt would have a hard time cracking down on things under the recent scotus rulings
 
i feel like they've gone so far in regulating ammo, it is very much considered a component part of an operational firearm and the govt would have a hard time cracking down on things under the recent scotus rulings
But, they will try. Every law they pass that must be fought in court cost money, money gun owners need to spend. While the government fight us with our tax money.
 
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I do find it odd that the government is in the business of making ammunition. We should privatize this, and have an oligarch take it over for peanuts and sell it back to the government. (sarcasm for anyone not picking up).

But seriously, it's unusual that a government contractor is owned by the government- it _should_ be from the private sector like missiles, tanks, uniforms, MREs, etc. Government ammunition plants (there used to be many) are only there because of the inability of private industry to ramp up production for wartime. This was an insurance policy to make sure ammunition would be available. Since we're not at war, to keep the plant at capacity, it is sold on the commercial market.
 
I demand to know the manufacturer of the fuel used in the airplanes used on 9/11. They must answer for their crimes!
 
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