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Not sure if this should be here on in the gunsmithing section. if I should move it let me know.

During a recent stop at a shop I pass on a fairly regular basis, I had what is either an inspiration, or a brain damaging/eventually soul searing smack to the head from the infamous "good idea fairy".

I've been thinking that my next pistol purchase would likely be an sp-01 that I would then put a Cajun upgrade kit in. but then saw a really nice CZ75 "cold war commemorative" model in the case and a little voice in my head "I wonder if you can do that upgrade and retain the spur style hammer?" the idea being slicked up internals but the gun looking externally as much like an early CZ75 as possible, kind of a Stealth production gun.

see having not yet owned a CZ much less having an adequate grasp of the parts geometry involved, I have no idea if is anything keeping one from simply cleaning up/polishing/etc a spur hammer.

well that was the thought, and the question. anyone have any idea?

or am I crazy?
 
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Follow directions in this thread for polishing internals. You can get all the parts for a pro-kit, minus the Cajun cut hammer if you want to keep the externals looking the same, and you should be able to come close to what your looking for I think. Were you planning on a full pro-kit upgrade, polish and spring kit, somewhere in between? You can do a lot to tune up a CZ, and David makes some great parts.
 
Unfortunately, the CGW race hammer or CZ Prod legal shadow hammer are going to provide a huge difference in trigger pull, imo. As NoNameHaveI notes you can get it really nice without the hammers, but the stock hammer hooks are not going to change, and they are not ideal.
But you could probably send them your hammer and they could likely recut your spur hammer hook angles.

Also, consider the frame difference. The SP01 has a higher and longer beavertail as well as other slight frame differences (higher weight etc) that is better for a high grip and for competition. Just my opinion.

That said, I love my CZ75 and the beavertail never bothered me, and the lighter gun handles great. I really love the Cold War with the round guard and commie markings. I think it would be a cool project and you wouldn't see a lot of them at the range!
 
@NKD, Doesn't Someone make or modify the stock ring hammers? They look classic in comparison to the skeletonized race hammers and already have the hooks cut to advantages angles. I realize it may not be period correct but might be a compromise of sorts.
 
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Love the early CZs! Had a CZ27 WWII Waffen proofed also at one time.

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Slappy McTrigger said:
@NKD, Doesn't Someone make or modify the stock ring hammers? They look classic in comparison to the skeletonized race hammers and already have the hooks cut to advantages angles. I realize it may not be period correct but might be a compromise of sorts.
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CGW makes a ring hammer.
And I know CZ Custom does trigger jobs with the spur hammers. CGW probably would too.
 
just to be clear on intent etc.

the wild possibly devious idea that ran through my head was to purchase a pistol such as the Cold War commemorative or, possibly more likely, one of the currently available surplus "Pre-B" pistols such as the following..
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...dguns/CZ-USA/Used+Surplus+CZ+75+9mm+15+1+Fair

then either have the guts replaced/slicked up, or do the work myself, but leave the external appearance the same.
it would fit with my own personal preference for the weird and different. I want a CZ for when I decide to try USPSA production someday and I want it to be distinct from all the others 75s I'm liable to come across locally.
 
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Detritus said:
just to be clear on intent etc.

the wild possibly devious idea that ran through my head was to purchase a pistol such as the Cold War commemorative or, possibly more likely, one of the currently available surplus "Pre-B" pistols such as the following..
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411557828/Firearms/Handguns/CZ-USA/Used+Surplus+CZ+75+9mm+15+1+Fair

then either have the guts replaced/slicked up, or do the work myself, but leave the external appearance the same.
it would fit with my own personal preference for the weird and different. I want a CZ for when I decide to try USPSA production someday and I want it to be distinct from all the others 75s I'm liable to come across locally.
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Nothing stopping you. Lots of people have done it. Would be a fun project and a fun gun for sure!
 
Well I've e-mailed Cajun Gun Works, we'll see what they have to say.

Have decided that my next gun purchase is going to be a CZ, either the Cold war commemorative a local shop has or if that sells before i can get back to them, an SP-01. and if the commemorative winds up coming home with me it will be a much more involved/complicated project as I know that I won't be able to simply drop in a kit and go.
 
Detritus said:
just to be clear on intent etc.

the wild possibly devious idea that ran through my head was to purchase a pistol such as the Cold War commemorative or, possibly more likely, one of the currently available surplus "Pre-B" pistols such as the following..
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411557828/Firearms/Handguns/CZ-USA/Used+Surplus+CZ+75+9mm+15+1+Fair

then either have the guts replaced/slicked up, or do the work myself, but leave the external appearance the same.
it would fit with my own personal preference for the weird and different. I want a CZ for when I decide to try USPSA production someday and I want it to be distinct from all the others 75s I'm liable to come across locally.
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I would avoid the Pre B for a few reasons.

Right off the top of my head:

  • Mags are not always compatible because the dimensions of the grip are narrower on the early Pre Bs.
  • B and other modern mags will run about 70% of the time.
  • Many people report that the mags do no drop free. Europeans like to keep their mags not leave them on the ground. LOL
  • Some of the small parts do not interchange and the pre B parts are no longer in production. Can't off the top of my head remember which parts but the safety mechanism comes to mind.
  • The older front sights were staked and sometimes come loose.
  • Dovetail on the rear sight is different. IIRC it is narrower.
  • The slide stop is different but I believe the newer ones will work. This is an issue because the slide stop is the weak point in the CZ design.
  • There are also "transitional" models which are tweeners between early pre-Bs and current production Bs.
The biggest issue with shooting a Pre-B is breaking something that is no longer in production and then having to hunt down that part. The small number of Pre Bs that were imported makes this even more of an issue. If I was going to have one and shoot it on a regular basis I would buy a beater of the same vintage that I could cannibalize for parts if needed but this will double your cost putting you right at the cost of a 75B Cold War Commemorative. I am not a fan of the Cold war version. It is a poor marketing gimmick IMHO.

If I was looking to do what you are proposing I would look to find a CZ 75 Retro. It will have the look of the pre B gun but be 100% compatible with B parts. You will have more modern sight cuts etc... It also would not have the silly hammer and sickle. It has the rounded trigger guard and reproductions of the original grips. From there CGW can get you 80-85% of the way to their Pro package by recutting the spur hammer to work with their sear etc... but it will not be the same as using their race or production legal competition hammer. I look forward to seeing the finished result no matter which way you go.

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well I just traded two rifles that hadn't been fired in 3-1/2 and 5+ years respectively, for all but the last $68 (weird side note, this happens to be about what i paid for "date night" dinner with my wife last night..) on the Cold War gun the shop had, Now to wait out the Vance Co. Sherriff's office, on the purchase Permits I did the online application for this morning (one of the few things I don't like about having moved back to NC)...
 
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Detritus said:
well I just traded two rifles that hadn't been fired in 3-1/2 and 5+ years respectively, for all but the last $68 on the Cold War gun the shop had, Now to wait out the Vance Co. Sherriff's office on the purchase Permits I did the online application for this morning (one of the few things I don't like about having moved back to NC)...
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Sound like you did good! I will make a fun project and a good shooter. CGW does great work. I cannot say enough positive things about David and his shop. Call them and tell them what you want to do and they will get you squared away and you can stealth production class like a Boss.
 
Detritus said:
Not sure if this should be here on in the gunsmithing section. if I should move it let me know.

During a recent stop at a shop I pass on a fairly regular basis, I had what is either an inspiration, or a brain damaging/eventually soul searing smack to the head from the infamous "good idea fairy".

I've been thinking that my next pistol purchase would likely be an sp-01 that I would then put a Cajun upgrade kit in. but then saw a really nice CZ75 "cold war commemorative" model in the case and a little voice in my head "I wonder if you can do that upgrade and retain the spur style hammer?" the idea being slicked up internals but the gun looking externally as much like an early CZ75 as possible, kind of a Stealth production gun.

see having not yet owned a CZ much less having an adequate grasp of the parts geometry involved, I have no idea if is anything keeping one from simply cleaning up/polishing/etc a spur hammer.

well that was the thought, and the question. anyone have any idea?

or am I crazy?
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Just got one of these. The RED markings pushed me over. Then at last week's gun show I got the gun mentioned and pictured above to have the Cajun work done to it. I also wondered if I could retain the "spur". I'm calling over there soon to see what the turn around on the best package is. Looks like you and I were late to the party, but at least we didn't MISS the party.
 
I'm not sure the Hammer and Sickle logo is allowed in SC. Might have to ship that up to NY or MA. That crap ain't right.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Just got one of these. The RED markings pushed me over. Then at last week's gun show I got the gun mentioned and pictured above to have the Cajun work done to it. I also wondered if I could retain the "spur". I'm calling over there soon to see what the turn around on the best package is. Looks like you and I were late to the party, but at least we didn't MISS the party.
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Well, here's what I got back from CGW on the subject

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As long as you are ok with the SA trigger pull, then all the other components can be used. You can get a shorter reset and better DA. We do that from time to time but remember your SA is all in the hammer hooks.

Scott
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So there ya go, every improvement they offer except improved SA pull. and frankly I suspect that I personally will never be fully satisfied with the SA trigger pull on any DA/SA gun ever again after shooting a 1911 exclusively for over a decade. but I know this and can deal, ya know? :cool:

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Man, I love the commie red markings, spur hammer, and round guard!
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The Red markings got me to look at it (is suspect that's their REAL purpose), but the rollmarks being in Cyrillic are what pushed it from "that's kinda cool", over to "that's /different/weird enough that if I ever get the chance i'm buying one!"
 
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Detritus said:
Well, here's what I got back from CGW on the subject



So there ya go, every improvement they offer except improved SA pull. and frankly I suspect that I personally will never be fully satisfied with the SA trigger pull on any DA/SA gun ever again after shooting a 1911 exclusively for over a decade. but I know this and can deal, ya know? :cool:
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Don't be so sure about that. CZ's can have some awesome SA pulls. I guess it is a little different due to the two trigger designs, but with a CGW or CZ Custom trigger job you can get so close it likely won't matter.
 
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You know I appreciate all you do for us here. I can barely turn this remuter on, let alone post stuff. Please, let me know if this becomes too"stressful". Don't wanna lose you to the dark side.
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So far, so good. I'm pacing myself.
 
Yeah, try a SA pull on a CGW SAO pistol and it will rival most guns.

But, the straight pull on a tuned 1911 is tough to beat. But the CZ can be dang close, especially on the shadows, or if you ditch the FPB on normal CZ's.
My Tactical Sport orange is under 2lbs, and has a very little travel.

A Chechmate has a crazy good trigger out of the box. Beaten only by high end 19/2011's, imo.
 
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