Officer-involved shooting in DC

Here we go again. Well no matter what the truth is the media will make the police officer the bad guy. The criminal will be held as a Saint even if they were the biggest criminal in the world. Also people will be allowed to tear the city up with little consequences.
 
Two guns recovered and the family says the man would not have had any guns. :( Even with the video it will not make any difference, they will riot and loot because outsiders have arrived.
 
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been watching it develop all evening on fox news. people are just looking for a reason to mob up. so glad i mostly only have to worry about stray snakes in my yard these days.
 
Every viewer, news reporter, rioter becomes their own prosecutor in these things. I haven't seen the video, but the local TV [describe this like the Atlanta Wendy's incident. A questioning/arrest, suspect fleeing, then suspect pulls a gun on officers.

Bystanders also arrested and charged with illegally having guns (it is DC you know).
 
The shootings are just an excuse to riot at this point. The riots are a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem.
That people suddenly think it's okay to do criminal acts and then pull guns and fight with police when they call you out?
That, in an age with cameras everywhere, even though police are being held responsible for bad actions more than ever, people have been convinced that police are still overwhelmingly corrupt and can get away with killing people for nothing?
That people have been convinced that they're owed all the best toys in life without having to do any work to earn them?
 
I don't understand why the police showed up to the peaceful protest at the Mayor's house? They should have avoided her place like the plague. She doesn't think the city needs police anyway.
 
Hmmm ... 911 got a call about 4 afro-american “youths” were in a vehicle with guns. LEO’s responded ... 2 fled on foot and 2 stayed in place. What were the results? The 2 “youths” who stayed in place and followed the LEO’s directions were not shot ... arrested but not shot. Of the 2 who ran ... 1 managed to escape for the time being but will likely be picked up soon. As to the other ... 1 LEO fired 1 shot hitting the “youth” who died later at the hospital. A big lesson for youths to learn ... follow the directions of LEO’s and you a far less likely to have LEO’s use force on you which results in a higher chance of you being shot at and as a result of that dying on a hospital ER table.

The body can footage will likely show the “youth” point a gun and the LEO’s ... along with his Facebook posts, previous record and felony status ... which would indicate he was not up to any good BUT that won’t matter to BLM, rioters/looters or MSM who will twist the race card ... “black youth killed by cop”. I just hope the LEO was black also ... and even better a woman.
 
I know it's a bit insensitive, but when I saw the video and thought back to the interviews with his family... I couldn't help but laugh. I was also a good kid, but I did plenty of highly illegal things I could have been arrested for. Many of us did, and our families never knew because we never got caught - and we also didn't brandish guns at police while fleeing the scene of a crime.

"I'm hurt. I am really hurt. Because he was a good child," she added. "So I don't understand why the police had to kill my nephew." ... "Deon was not the type of person that gonna be out here to start trouble and whatever. This was a nephew that I loved, i gave him anything that he wanted," she continued. "I gave it to him, I made sure that he was good so he wouldn't have to be out here in the streets."
 
Hmmm ... 911 got a call about 4 afro-american “youths” were in a vehicle with guns. LEO’s responded ... 2 fled on foot and 2 stayed in place. What were the results? The 2 “youths” who stayed in place and followed the LEO’s directions were not shot ... arrested but not shot. Of the 2 who ran ... 1 managed to escape for the time being but will likely be picked up soon. As to the other ... 1 LEO fired 1 shot hitting the “youth” who died later at the hospital. A big lesson for youths to learn ... follow the directions of LEO’s and you a far less likely to have LEO’s use force on you which results in a higher chance of you being shot at and as a result of that dying on a hospital ER table.
This is, in a nutshell, a very strong example of policing. Some get away, some comply and get arrested without incident, some go a different way and get what they are legally justified in getting.
 
Had he dropped the gun instead of throwing it, he would be alive. I think when he threw it the office had to make a split decision. He made the right decision. Did you hear the officers panic about finding the gun? He knew if he didn't find that gun that he would be crucified. He may still be fked but hopefully not. IF you have a gun, you forfeit any quarter. You follow direction period.
 
Dang, those Bersa pistols sure have wings. Wonder how many bodies on on that gun.
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Im not sure what youre tagging me for buddy
I thought maybe there'd be a Black Flag tee or Circle Jerks or something. Nope.


You usually have such nuanced, balanced and fair critiques of the police that I wanted your opinion
 
I don't get why this isn't a "do dumb stuff, suffer consequences" situation....

I personally feel law enforcement have become to militarized. Many/most have a power complex.

The real role of law enforcement is as civil servants. But that has been lost to big headed "I am the LAW" types who use that credit to be comeplete jerkoffs.




But regardless of how I feel about the current state of the institution....

If you are in a confrontation with law enforcement. DO AS YOUR TOLD.

How is it not blatantly obvious you can't win? If they are there and you are interacting with them. Do as your told. Yes, I think they escalate way to fast but damn.

They can and will "win". Right, wrong, innocent, guilty. It doesn't matter. If you are in a situation where law enforcement is there for you. I as your TOLD!

Figure it out later. But in that moment do as your told. Or you will end up dead....
 
I don't get why this isn't a "do dumb stuff, suffer consequences" situation....

I personally feel law enforcement have become to militarized. Many/most have a power complex.

The real role of law enforcement is as civil servants. But that has been lost to big headed "I am the LAW" types who use that credit to be comeplete jerkoffs.
Which is why people are becoming increasingly anti police. It's the result of systemic rot as an institution. "Minority" or really rather economically poorer communities, though there is often a strong correlation, have collectively felt the effects longer than the affluent, which is why they are the ones calling the loudest to do away with policing. It is obvious that some kind of reform or restructuring is required and we've had several threads on this subject over the years, but to keep it simple a lot of the problem stems from law enforcement being a paid career.

But regardless of how I feel about the current state of the institution....

If you are in a confrontation with law enforcement. DO AS YOUR TOLD.

How is it not blatantly obvious you can't win? If they are there and you are interacting with them. Do as your told. Yes, I think they escalate way to fast but damn.

They can and will "win". Right, wrong, innocent, guilty. It doesn't matter. If you are in a situation where law enforcement is there for you. I as your TOLD!

Figure it out later. But in that moment do as your told. Or you will end up dead....
It's little to no different than a common street thug having the tactical drop on you. The cops aren't all that tough. Their tactics aren't all that good, either. They are designed, and often times work against, both the compliant person and the common criminal who typically isn't all that smart.

They really are lucky that the majority of the populace is peaceful and largely compliant. The incidents we've been seeing over the last several months could very well be changing that in several ways. The urban centers are becoming much more actively violent, the urban and now suburban people are losing their fantasy that police will protect them, and average people all over are getting completely fed up with seeing those whose job it is to protect the public and keep the peace fail or refuse to do so and starting to wonder exactly who or what orders are being followed.
 
Which is why people are becoming increasingly anti police. It's the result of systemic rot as an institution. "Minority" or really rather economically poorer communities, though there is often a strong correlation, have collectively felt the effects longer than the affluent, which is why they are the ones calling the loudest to do away with policing. It is obvious that some kind of reform or restructuring is required and we've had several threads on this subject over the years, but to keep it simple a lot of the problem stems from law enforcement being a paid career.


It's little to no different than a common street thug having the tactical drop on you. The cops aren't all that tough. Their tactics aren't all that good, either. They are designed, and often times work against, both the compliant person and the common criminal who typically isn't all that smart.

They really are lucky that the majority of the populace is peaceful and largely compliant. The incidents we've been seeing over the last several months could very well be changing that in several ways. The urban centers are becoming much more actively violent, the urban and now suburban people are losing their fantasy that police will protect them, and average people all over are getting completely fed up with seeing those whose job it is to protect the public and keep the peace fail or refuse to do so and starting to wonder exactly who or what orders are being followed.


Interesting take. Don't disagree.

My simple point is if they are there "for you" do as your told. Or the obvious will happen...

Do I think our law enforcement arm as a nation is way out of line. Yes. The profession is classified as a civil servant. Just the same as the municipal trash collector. They serve the people...

They are supposed to be there to de-escalate a situation. Find and bring the guilty party to face justice against a jury of their peers....

They are intended to do everything they are capable of (negotiation, hands on, non-lethal (pepper spray to tazer, etc.) To DE- escalate a given situation. Before they go full rambo.

That is not today's world. They go to gun as a first measure.... Over the decades they have become militarized, that is how they respond.

Knowing that as a clear fact. If one does not wish to die for their cause. One should follow the orders of the gestapo....

This whole cycle of "they killed him 'cause he didn't listen" is stupid on the face....

Yeah, as you say no different than a thug with the drop on you is stupid. But in this case. It's a group of one to infinity thugs who all back the first one. Even if that specific cop is a piece of crap and no one else likes them in their department.

They are still backed up by the whole department in a situation.



Guess I'm just dumbfounded by the fact that, regardless of your opinion of LE.

If they are giving you orders at a traffic stop, etc.... It's bad news for you if you do not comply. If you decide to ignore them, pull a weapon, act like you may do whatever. It will end BADLY for whoever...
 
Used to be that way, but the race card and a cell phone makes it a new game.
 
You usually have such nuanced, balanced and fair critiques of the police that I wanted your opinion
Well there is a gun there and if I were in a high stakes job, such as law enforcement, and Im after somone and I see someone with a pistol in hand, not putting it down, I guess I could see taking the shot. It's unfortunate someone died, and I dont know anything about the man, but that's just how it goes. I liken it to the uber driver - point a gun at someone dont be shocked if you get shot.

I just wish people would know facts before getting upset and shouting about what did and did not happen when they werent there/didnt see the video.
I dont know, maybe if my dad or someone close to me got shot I'd be riled up too, but I'd be seeking answers before getting all riled up to harm
 
You usually have such nuanced, balanced and fair critiques of the police that I wanted your opinion

I added in another thread - the only thing that seems 'off' is how far that dang gun went!
Curt and Wahoo both mentioned it so I paid attention to what happened after the shot was fired. Again, looks like its really far from when the guy was shot
 
I added in another thread - the only thing that seems 'off' is how far that dang gun went!
Curt and Wahoo both mentioned it so I paid attention to what happened after the shot was fired. Again, looks like its really far from when the guy was shot
Fisheye camera images are not a way to judge distance. I’d bet the distance was not very far.
 
Some of you guys can trash the pollice all you want but I'll stand behind them 100 percent until it is proven they have broken the law. Today's officers are facing sitations like never before, and are being subjected to more unnecessary scrutiny than ever before. They are serving the public to the best of their abilities, as directed by their superiors. In many recent situations, they have not been allowed to perform their duties to protect and serve the public. That is why businesses are destroyed and publicly held property is being destroyed or defaced.

Defund the police......... fine. Let's go back to the wild west. Everybody strap on, show what you've got and be quick on the draw. Some my be surprised how out numbered you are in the urban areas. Force the police into your pigeon hole and see where your protection is. They do most of their work where the crime and criminals are. If there weren't crimes taking place, they probably wouldn't be there. I think they would enjoy a little time at Dunkin Donut, but not today.

For reference, one of my first jobs was as a dispatcher for the Raleigh Police Department in 1968. There were TWO of us per shift. The busiest times were rainy Friday afternoons when everyone was getting off work with wrecks everywere. Saturday night was busy but mainly up on Hillsboro St. around State and all the bars. The population and culture have changed so much since that time I hate to even think how big the communication center is these days. Back then, it was a space behind the Desk Sargents station that might have measured 12 X 6.
 
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