OK. Another CC question

It's called an Ultra-Lite, is that the same as air weight? Am I lining up the groove at the back with the front sight? I was thinking g of putting white on the sight, then sort of outlining g the groove with white. Bad idea?

Ultra lites are one of the most difficult to control when it comes to felt recoil.

Just to explain the round itself has a set amount of recoil. The whole action and opposite reaction deal.

But then other factors some into play as far as what you “feel” of that recoil. Those factors are barrel length, weight of the gun, position and design of the grip and whether or not the gun is semi auto or a single shot/revolver/pump etc.

The heavier the gun the less recoil you will feel. The longer the barrel the less the barrel will flip upwards with recoil and a semi auto absorbs some of the recoil in the action of the slide.

So a snubnose revolver will automatically have more muzzle flip and felt recoil. Then you add the lite weight and you feel even more of the recoil.

The only reason I bring this up is as a relatively new shooter it can lead to anticipation. That’s where you anticipate the recoil and push the rounds down by pushing into the shot.

The 22 is definitely the better option for qualification and then practice practice practice.

If you find you are pushing the rounds load one snap cap and then the rest of the rounds live. Spin the chamber and close. When you pull the trigger on the snap cap you will see how much anticipation you have.
 
Sounds like you're shooting single action. If so I suggest not till you're proficient with double action.
Why do I need to use the hammer? Isn't the result the same? Looked like it when I was shooting at Mom's picture!
 
Have any of you or anyone you know done their concealed carry qualifying without having shot the gun you used?

No, I have not.

But the real question here (and maybe I missed this in all your postings) is not whether you've shot THIS gun, but ANY handgun.

Teaching someone how to shoot is not difficult. However, some people are inherently better at it than others for a variety of reasons. If you've NEVER shot a handgun before, then you've nothing realistic to base how well you may or may not perform with THIS handgun.

If you've shot a handgun before and are reasonably proficient with it, then I'd say you won't have any problems.

If you HAVEN'T...then take plenty of extra ammunition and hopefully your instructor will dedicate the time to assist you in this. It's not difficult.
 
No, I have not.

But the real question here (and maybe I missed this in all your postings) is not whether you've shot THIS gun, but ANY handgun.

Teaching someone how to shoot is not difficult. However, some people are inherently better at it than others for a variety of reasons. If you've NEVER shot a handgun before, then you've nothing realistic to base how well you may or may not perform with THIS handgun.

If you've shot a handgun before and are reasonably proficient with it, then I'd say you won't have any problems.

If you HAVEN'T...then take plenty of extra ammunition and hopefully your instructor will dedicate the time to assist you in this. It's not difficult.
I actually have shot a gun. A .25 auto. The grip doesn't fit my hand all that well, but I'm familiar with it. I'll probably use that for the class. Since I know the gun pretty well. The instructor says he'll have time for me and other guns to choose from, so I'm all set!
 
Are you cocking the action with the hammer and then firing with the trigger?
I'm pulling the hammer back with my thumb then pulling the trigger, like the gun guy showed me. But do I need to pull the hammer down, if the gun will fire if I don't? What am I missing????
 
Ultra lites are one of the most difficult to control when it comes to felt recoil.

Just to explain the round itself has a set amount of recoil. The whole action and opposite reaction deal.

But then other factors some into play as far as what you “feel” of that recoil. Those factors are barrel length, weight of the gun, position and design of the grip and whether or not the gun is semi auto or a single shot/revolver/pump etc.

The heavier the gun the less recoil you will feel. The longer the barrel the less the barrel will flip upwards with recoil and a semi auto absorbs some of the recoil in the action of the slide.

So a snubnose revolver will automatically have more muzzle flip and felt recoil. Then you add the lite weight and you feel even more of the recoil.

The only reason I bring this up is as a relatively new shooter it can lead to anticipation. That’s where you anticipate the recoil and push the rounds down by pushing into the shot.

The 22 is definitely the better option for qualification and then practice practice practice.

If you find you are pushing the rounds load one snap cap and then the rest of the rounds live. Spin the chamber and close. When you pull the trigger on the snap cap you will see how much anticipation you have.
How about my .25 auto? I'm more familiar with that one. I know the sound of it and how it fires. I've never shot a 22...
 
How about my .25 auto? I'm more familiar with that one. I know the sound of it and how it fires. I've never shot a 22...

Recoil on a 25 vs a 22 is a negligible difference. My mom carries a 25 and she shoots it well.
 
Check out the first video for info on single vs double action.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/double-action-only-revolvers/
Check out the first video for info on single vs double action.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/double-action-only-revolvers/
So he's saying I don't need to pull the hammer back,right? I know from the gun store that using the hammer makes the trigger go back, so you don't have to pull the trigger as far. But if I can pull it all the way myself, is that bad? I must be missi g sonething, still! Do I really need to pull the hammer?
 
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Pulling (cocking) the hammer back sets you up for single action...meaning pulling the trigger just releases the hammer. It's a much lighter (easier) trigger pull.

Pulling the trigger without first cocking the hammer is "double action"...meaning pulling the trigger will first cock the hammer and then release the hammer. It's a heavier (harder) trigger pull.
 
Pulling (cocking) the hammer back sets you up for single action...meaning pulling the trigger just releases the hammer. It's a much lighter (easier) trigger pull.

Pulling the trigger without first cocking the hammer is "double action"...meaning pulling the trigger will first cock the hammer and then release the hammer. It's a heavier (harder) trigger pull.
But if I can pull the trigger with no problem, which I can, then I'd rather not bother with the hammer. The trigger pull is nice and smooth, and I can do it just fine, and it's not an issue. Pulling the hammer back is a huge pain in the butt!!!
 
Why do gun guys insist on putting a 38 special ultra light in every females hand? You would be better off with a 9mm in something a litle bigger.
 
Why do gun guys insist on putting a 38 special ultra light in every females hand? You would be better off with a 9mm in something a litle bigger.
Such as?? But I like my revolver!!!!! Not saying I won't end up with more guns as time goes on...
 
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Such as?? But I like my revolver!!!!! Not saying I won't end up with more guns as time goes on...

There are a lot more soft shooting guns out there. An ultra lite revolver is going to have a lot of recoil. A new shooting female I put a glock 19 in their hands. My wife carries a 9mm shield. Best thing to do is go to a range and rent some guns to see what you like. For some reason guys think ladies need pink revolvers or little 380 semi autos and those are the worse thing to give a new shooter if you want them to enjoy shooting and stick with it.
 
There are a lot more soft shooting guns out there. An ultra lite revolver is going to have a lot of recoil. A new shooting female I put a glock 19 in their hands. My wife carries a 9mm shield. Best thing to do is go to a range and rent some guns to see what you like. For some reason guys think ladies need pink revolvers or little 380 semi autos and those are the worse thing to give a new shooter if you want them to enjoy shooting and stick with it.
Yep, I'm trying to get to a range near me. But I'm not strictly a new shooter. I guess I'll see if the instructor will let me shoot my revolver after my qualifying. But he seems not to be too concerned if I want to use my gun. Or I can use his. The main idea of the revolver is keeping it by the bed so the bad guys don't get me, so the gun guy said this is good, get less recoil rounds....so I did. I'm sure it'll be fine! As far as the little guns go, I'm OK with my .25 too! Might use that Sunday... I'm taking 3 guns with me!
 
There are a lot more soft shooting guns out there. An ultra lite revolver is going to have a lot of recoil. A new shooting female I put a glock 19 in their hands. My wife carries a 9mm shield. Best thing to do is go to a range and rent some guns to see what you like. For some reason guys think ladies need pink revolvers or little 380 semi autos and those are the worse thing to give a new shooter if you want them to enjoy shooting and stick with it.
Editing....also this shooting isn't timed so won't I be able to line up my shots OK even if there's recoil? Suppose I have strong hands?
 
If you are not recoil sensitive and you don't have physical limitations you can shoot anything you like. Glock 19 is also my preference but there's nothing at all wrong with a 38 revolver . But that has become a default go-to gun "for the ladies" without any real thought or consideration as to what actually fits the person.
 
If you are not recoil sensitive and you don't have physical limitations you can shoot anything you like. Glock 19 is also my preference but there's nothing at all wrong with a 38 revolver . But that has become a default go-to gun "for the ladies" without any real thought or consideration as to what actually fits the person.
Well, so far I know the gun fits my hand well, which others I held didn't really. I'll let you know what else I find out real soon!
 
Well, so far I know the gun fits my hand well, which others I held didn't really. I'll let you know what else I find out real soon!
PS there is a Glock in my future, probably,..... when I get some $$$.
 
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If you are going to look at semi-autos, don't rule out the S&W Shield. I like the way it fits my hand better than a Glock.. Everyone is different
I'll check it out...may have already, I might have held one and it didn't fit, so I didn't ask what it was. But when I seriously go looking I'll be sure to be specific.
 
Millie, yes you shoot without pulling the hammer back. That is the preferred way. If you should get into a self defense situation you would want to be able to shoot double action or without pulling the hammer back. Here is a photo of one of my revolvers with an enclosed hammer. There is only one way to fire it and that is to pull the trigger. No way to pull the hammer back.
Guns 039ed2cf by Jerry Jaynes, on Flickr
 
Millie, yes you shoot without pulling the hammer back. That is the preferred way. If you should get into a self defense situation you would want to be able to shoot double action or without pulling the hammer back. Here is a photo of one of my revolvers with an enclosed hammer. There is only one way to fire it and that is to pull the trigger. No way to pull the hammer back.
Guns 039ed2cf by Jerry Jaynes, on Flickr
Well, good then, because I find pulling the hammer back a pain. Nice gun, BTW!
 
Well, good then, because I find pulling the hammer back a pain. Nice gun, BTW!
Thank you, that is a 357 Magnum, which also shoots .38 Special .38 Special +P. It is stainless and weighs around 22.5 oz. I just bought a S&W 442 which weighs 14.72 oz. Makes a great pocket gun. https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-442. There will be a world of difference in recoil.
 
Thank you, that is a 357 Magnum, which also shoots .38 Special .38 Special +P. It is stainless and weighs around 22.5 oz. I just bought a S&W 442 which weighs 14.72 oz. Makes a great pocket gun. https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-442. There will be a world of difference in recoil.
My gun says specifically no +p for me! Better go read more on pressure now....
As to the guns weight,they keep telling me my revolver is too light and will be snappy. 22+oz. sounds heavy!
 
My gun says specifically no +p for me! Better go read more on pressure now....
As to the guns weight,they keep telling me my revolver is too light and will be snappy. 22+oz. sounds heavy!

What is the make and model of your gun? Yes, 22+ oz is heavy. It is OK to carry in an OWB (Outside Waistband) holster but too heavy to pocket carry. That is why I bought the S&W 442, to pocket carry. It is an Airweight. The heavier the gun is, the less snappy it will be. That doesn't mean your revolver is too light to be practical. It means it will be a bit snappy but it will get carried when a heavy gun may get left at home. Once you shoot it, you will be able to make your decision on whether YOU think it is too light. My little .380 eights about 12oz and is very snappy. About 50 rounds will make me hand sore, but it still is a good carry weapon.
 
Millie,
I'm not anywhere close to being a gun guy as most here are, but here is my advice.
If you are proficient with your .25, then use that to qualify with. Hitting a 9" paper plate at 3, 5, and 7 yards is not difficult.
If you have questions about your sight picture, go to YouTube and watch some videos.
The qualification portion is not a timed event, so take your time and make every shot count.
Another thing to consider is that if you experience an issue with your weapon, failure to feed, failure to eject, stovepipe, etc, your instructor will be watching to make sure you handle these in a safe manner.
 
What is the make and model of your gun? Yes, 22+ oz is heavy. It is OK to carry in an OWB (Outside Waistband) holster but too heavy to pocket carry. That is why I bought the S&W 442, to pocket carry. It is an Airweight. The heavier the gun is, the less snappy it will be. That doesn't mean your revolver is too light to be practical. It means it will be a bit snappy but it will get carried when a heavy gun may get left at home. Once you shoot it, you will be able to make your decision on whether YOU think it is too light. My little .380 eights about 12oz and is very snappy. About 50 rounds will make me hand sore, but it still is a good carry weapon.
It's a Taurus ultra lite .38spl. Fits my hand really well! And I have strong hands from eons in a kitchen! I'll be perfectly fine with it.
 
Millie,
I'm not anywhere close to being a gun guy as most here are, but here is my advice.
If you are proficient with your .25, then use that to qualify with. Hitting a 9" paper plate at 3, 5, and 7 yards is not difficult.
If you have questions about your sight picture, go to YouTube and watch some videos.
The qualification portion is not a timed event, so take your time and make every shot count.
Another thing to consider is that if you experience an issue with your weapon, failure to feed, failure to eject, stovepipe, etc, your instructor will be watching to make sure you handle these in a safe manner.
Found a few videos on sights! The best was a guy showing several guns and how to line them up against white paper, then against a target! Nice! As for issues, I'll have to wing it...I've never shot any of the guns except the .25, no issues. There was more to the reply but power went out for a few hours and it got lost....
 
If you have never shot the .38, I would not try to qualify with it. I have had a large number of students (male and female) fail with the short barrel .38's, then re-qaulify using one of my .22's.
I wish I hadn't, but I actually used two guns on qualifying day, and passed with the .38, followed by the .380. Of course I got hurt by the revolver grip! I think I was a bit off center in my grip, and my thumb knuckle took a lot of hits! Still hurts over a week later! But I'll continue to shoot both guns, because one will be the house gun and one the carry gun. But yes, I would agree about passing with a .22 being a good idea! I probably would have shot much better, but I did shoot all the vital areas of the target guy's upper body! Lol. I'll take advice more to heart next time....lesson learned!
 
When you're holding the gun out in front of you imagine a line going down the center of your forearm - that line should also go down the center of your gun. It sounds like you were holding it so that the barrel was at some angle from your forearm.
 
When you're holding the gun out in front of you imagine a line going down the center of your forearm - that line should also go down the center of your gun. It sounds like you were holding it so that the barrel was at some angle from your forearm.

Exactly! Propper stance and grip are 75% of the equation. The rest is finger placement, trigger control and follow through.
 
When you're holding the gun out in front of you imagine a line going down the center of your forearm - that line should also go down the center of your gun. It sounds like you were holding it so that the barrel was at some angle from your forearm.
Exactly! Propper stance and grip are 75% of the equation. The rest is finger placement, trigger control and follow through.
Yes, I think the grip wasn't quite in the center of the web between thumb and forefinger....just enough off for the top of the rubber grip to clout my big thumb joint! Painful, but I managed 25 of the 30 shots with it, then the instructor had me switch to the .380...much easier to shoot that one. Lol. But I think I only missed once, so though the holes are all over the target, I'm just glad I was able to shoot hurt, and was able to suck it up and do it! That first shot was a real shocker!
 
Yes, I think the grip wasn't quite in the center of the web between thumb and forefinger....just enough off for the top of the rubber grip to clout my big thumb joint! Painful, but I managed 25 of the 30 shots with it, then the instructor had me switch to the .380...much easier to shoot that one. Lol. But I think I only missed once, so though the holes are all over the target, I'm just glad I was able to shoot hurt, and was able to suck it up and do it! That first shot was a real shocker!

You should be proud of yourself because you, as you said, sucked up and persevered. A lot of men and women would have quit or even dropped the firearm. Now, you can buy a few boxes of .38 and find a range to practice. You might also see if there is a (defensive) handgun course so you have an instructor help with any bad habits. And then shoot the bitch until you can hit any target you pick at 15 yards any day of the week and twice on Sundays. FYI, there are .38 snap caps, but with a revolver used .38 cartridges will work... just make sure there is not live ammo in the same room.

Remember the say: beware of someone who owns only one firearm for chances are he knows it very well.

Revolver grips can be changed once you find the Taurus model you have; there might be a perfect one for you out there.

380 is a viable cartridge for self-defense. It did start a world war after all. I just wish its ammo was not so expensive. On the other hand, there are interesting very concealable pistols for under $250 in that caliber out there.
 
I have a friend who has 8000 rounds just on one pistol. He’s a great shooter.

I shoot several different guns and can handle many different calibers, though. Then again, I Shoot a lot. I bring anywhere from 3-7 pistols/revolvers at a time.

If you’re willing to work at it. Whether you have one, 5 or 20 (Whatever) pistols, you can excel.

Now the Taurus lineup of revolvers has a lineup I was not aware of. 380 ACP, 9 mm, as well as 38/367 for revolvers. Those are viable options.

No problem shooting in single action for precision or long distances. But for combat Double action is the only way to go.

Taurus triggers aren’t horrible but a gunsmith can do some internal polishing to smooth it out. Some people have internal springs replaced which I don’t advise as it may not give an adequate ignition for Hard primers.

How many guns do you have, Millie? Which models?




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