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Optics for Big Bore Rifles

Discussion in 'Big Bore Rifles' started by Michael458, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. Michael458

    Michael458 Active Member

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    The other day browsing around on Midway checking for any scopes on sale, this sort of thing. I saw this Nikon, never heard of it, Black Force. It was 1X4 and the same length as my beloved Nikon 1X4 Monarch and Africans. One problem, it was 30mm… Big and Fat. But here is the deal, it was on Sale for $199.00.

    The $199.00 on sale part was the HOOK, and it was pretty much set. Wild Ass Reticle too. Reticle turns red but in addition, the reticle is etched into the glass, and if not turned on, or your battery goes dead, you still have a Black Reticle! Huge plus in my book…….

    Here is the Reticle……

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    I could not resist it of course. Had it been $499, I probably would have paid little attention to it, but at $199 I had to see what this was about, even though it was 30mm.

    I didn't have any 30mm QRW Rings on hand. Went in search at Midway, Graf, Midsouth, no one had any QRW LOW Matte Finish. There were no Low 30mm QRWs of any kind....... I have learned however, that if your favorite Gun, Shooting Supply Store or Distributor does not have an item, "Search Amazon"........ Quick search, sure enough, plenty of 30mm QRW Low Matte Black rings available, ordered two sets, had them in two days.

    Oh, I forgot to mention, a couple of days later, and after looking at these scopes on Amazon for $300-$400, I decided to check Midway out again. This time, they had a 1X6 Blackforce, same thing, just 1X6 instead of 1X4, but the price of that was $649.00...... No thanks. And sure enough, the 1X4s were still on sale at $199, I ordered another one! Now I have two of the things.........

    With QRWs in hand and on the scope, I mounted one on my favorite little 458 B&M. Hammer of a rifle, same ballistics as 458 Winchester, but on a small platform, with 18 inch barrel. With Bastogne stock, it only comes in at 7.5 lbs, no scope of course. I put the scope on this gun just to see...... I really didn't like it very much, it just seemed BIG.........

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    After handling the gun some I just didn't like it that much, it is heavy, bulky, fat, and just a bit too big for my taste. I never bothered to shoot or sight it in......... I removed it.

    I decided to try one on a bigger rifle, perhaps a 500 MDM. I did that today and sighted it in and did some shooting with it. I don't have photos yet of the 500 MDM with the scope, but its not quite as big on the 500. But it is heavy. It adds a full 1.5 lbs to the rifle, and this English gun of mine already comes in heavy at 8.75 lbs, now total 10.25 lbs, way too heavy to go to the bush with.

    Today I learned that I love the reticle, it is fantastic, either on or off, red or black. It seems to be very fast on target, and precise enough for serious work.

    But I also discovered today that this can never ever be used on a Dangerous Game Rifle, period, end of story. The large turret for windage is directly over the bolt and magazine. It is in the way, and somewhat of a problem when loading the magazine. You can load, and maybe if you practice enough you can get around it, but in the field it is just one more thing to be aggravated with, and you don't need that in the heat of battle with buffalo or elephant. Since I am retired from that sort of thing, I can use it for other things, so no worries..............

    Next few days I will try and get some photos of the 500...........
     
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    Did some more shooting yesterday with the Nikon and the 500 MDM. I really like the Reticle on this scope. Indeed it really good for the sort of thing that I used to do, at least ON THE RANGE. Sometimes you get to the field and its an entirely different matter.

    Got some photos. Its still FAT and Bulky, 30mm. And the turrets are in the way when loading. It could cause a real issue loading when in the heat of things in the field.

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    One thing I have not mentioned, and was reminded of this yesterday is the amount of torque you need to put on these rings to hold the scope. I have one of those Wheeler torque screwdrivers and it works plenty good enough for most anything you want to do along that line.

    I believe that Leupold states you should use 22 inch lbs of torque on the scope rings. Well, that just DOES NOT WORK with these type of rifles. At 22 inch lbs of torque the scope will start turning in the rings, you can't hold it at 22 inch lbs. It takes 28 inch lbs minimum to hold most scopes in place on big bore rifles. Any less, and the scope will start to turn on you. Then your OCD is going to kick in with crooked ass cross hairs. And drive you completely insane.

    Larger, heavier, scopes may take a bit more, up to 30 inch lbs. And I have seen those move too. I have from time to time had to improvise on some, especially 500 MDM. I have taken small strips of duct tape and put them inside the rings and then tighten down. This seems to sort out most of the issues. My buddy Sam in NC has taken pine sap and done the same thing, I tried that too, its messy! LOL...............

    Yesterday at the bench messing with this 500 MDM my imagination told me that the damn thing was starting to turn............ I had to get it off the bench, put it to my shoulder to check it, it was fine, not moving. I mounted it at the my standard 28 inch lbs, so far it is not turning. This is what reminded me to mention this to you. However, I have not heard of anyone of you that is currently mounting a scope on a big bore rifle.... So maybe its a moot point to begin with...... But, FYI anyway...............
     
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    You’re thinking inch pounds but saying foot pounds. I only mention this in case someone tries it, it’s really hard on the screws, rings and optics.
     
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    HEH...... Yes, thank you Jim, you are correct......... Ft lbs would get a little hard on things.... LOL....

    Went back, I think I have those corrected.....

    Thanks again for that catch
     
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