Philando Castile shooting: Officer Yanez acquitted of manslaughter, dismissed from police force

Report for work on time. Follow the rules exactly. Answer the radio. Drive the speed limit with windows up. Take reports. Go home alive. Let them bring out their dead in the morning. Survival used to mean a police officer went home at the end of their shift, unharmed and alive. Street survival today is, I didn’t get prosecuted today.
 
o2l said:
Report for work on time. Follow the rules exactly. Answer the radio. Drive the speed limit with windows up. Take reports. Go home alive. Let them bring out their dead in the morning. Survival used to mean a police officer went home at the end of their shift, unharmed and alive. Street survival today is, I didn’t get prosecuted today.
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Do the speed limit, obey the law, be a law abiding gun owner, get pulled over, go to the morgue dead. Obeying the law used to mean you got left alone and went home alive.


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o2l said:
Report for work on time. Follow the rules exactly. Answer the radio. Drive the speed limit with windows up. Take reports. Go home alive. Let them bring out their dead in the morning. Survival used to mean a police officer went home at the end of their shift, unharmed and alive. Street survival today is, I didn’t get prosecuted today.
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At this point, why would anyone want to do LE work is beyond me.
 
I'm not okay with the verdict and I agree with the department's decision.

The audio of the encounter came from Yanez's squad car picks up his voice from his body microphone. He tells another officer that Castile went to grab something and that Castile's grip seemed wider than a wallet would be.

"I don't know where the gun was," Yanez says. "He didn't tell me where the ... gun was," he adds, using an obscenity.
 
According to the article Yanez ordered Castile to retrieve his gun after Castile notified Yanez that he was armed. And then shot him because he thought he had a gun in his hand?. Smells bad to me.
 
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Flounderfs92 said:
In this statement lies the steady decline in quality of LE.
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You can also blame society in general. The standards have been forced to decline because new applicants simply cannot meet them. They used to not consider folks who had done drugs for LE. Now they consider you as long as you are truthful about it. May seem small, but what other standards have gone down? And IMO the "thin blue line" is problematic as well. They need to purge the bad one's themselves.
 
Howland said:
Maybe examples such as this one and thousands of others (https://www.policemisconduct.net) cause the ones that would make the best officers (and would do it the right way) to want nothing to do with it.
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Interesting site. It's hard to see all the cases where police are policing themselves and still maintain that they cover for each other.
 
chiefjason said:
You can also blame society in general. The standards have been forced to decline because new applicants simply cannot meet them. They used to not consider folks who had done drugs for LE. Now they consider you as long as you are truthful about it. May seem small, but what other standards have gone down? And IMO the "thin blue line" is problematic as well. They need to purge the bad one's themselves.
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Too many people doing that job these days that aren't cut out for that type of work. Too wussy to face the everyday dealings of that job without being in constant fear. CMPD told me that more than half their applicants have never been in a fist fight before joining the academy.

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J R Green said:
Interesting site. It's hard to see all the cases where police are policing themselves and still maintain that they cover for each other.
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CMPD shared with us the high percentage of cases where they're policing their own and it's commendable but it's simply not the norm. Bad officers exist because "good" officers work alongside them and allow them to get away with things. Couple that with the questionable cases like this one and all the "good" officers that say nothing or continue to offer blind support and it speaks volumes for why some see police the way they do.

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Wahoo95 said:
Too many people doing that job these days that aren't cut out for that type of work. Too wussy to face the everyday dealings of that job without being in constant fear. CMPD told me that more than half their applicants have never been in a fist fight before joining the academy.

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My son's LT is one of those. Called my son and his patrol partner on the carpet for responding to a mutual aid call from a county deputy. He was scared their department would be sued for operating outside their jurisdiction...which is the very nature of most MA calls and why MA agreements exist.
 
Catfish said:
According to the article Yanez ordered Castile to retrieve his gun after Castile notified Yanez that he was armed. And then shot him because he thought he had a gun in his hand?. Smells bad to me.
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The article is poorly written: "Yanez testified that he feared for his life after Castile refused to not pull out his gun, despite the officer’s commands."

A more detailed recounting is clearer:

Castile handed over the insurance information, which the officer tucked into his breast pocket.

“Sir, I have to tell you that I do have a firearm on me,” Castile volunteered, according to the criminal complaint filed against Yanez.

“I told him, ‘Don’t pull it out,’ ” Yanez testified in court.

Castile reached to his right and made a C-shape with his right hand, Yanez said, adding that he tried to distract Castile, but “he continued to pull his firearm out of his pocket.”
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I'm thinking the officer was let go as both a liability and for his own safety.

He'll probably sue, though...
 
J R Green said:
We discussed this one thoroughly at the other place when it happened.

http://www.carolinashootersclub.com/threads/mn-police-shooting.221567/
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Burt Gummer said:
This isn't the other place.
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Burt Gummer said:
Also. We try to avoid posting links to places that block the link to our place. Thanks
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Just for the record our staff at Carolina Firearms Forum has exercised much restraint since December 16th, 2016 in not participating in the link blocking and other unfavorable actions that we have endured from others. That being said, the time may come that we have no other option left but to do that if we continue to be blocked and otherwise censored by others. While we do not see that happening in our near future, it simply does nothing constructive in our view as CFF staff.

So let us just state that as a best practice we would kindly appreciate members refraining from posting links to those sites who do choose to censor or block anything about our site. Most members here know exactly who those sites are and it's not really important here to name them again.

We really have worked hard in building this internet site hangout for those great CFF members who have also given so much back to our shooters' community and our forum expenses to accomplish that.

We're not pointing fingers.......our panties are not in a wad, we're not being jerks, etc., etc. We just choose to exist as a viable option for those shooting enthusiasts who enjoy the flavor of what we're cooking. All of you members are a part of that and we appreciate you.

Happy Fathers' Day all.
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Fair enough.
 
You're both right - I'm biased too. I'll have to take the Jury's word for it this time because I know there's a lot I don't know about this.
 
Watched the dash cam video.

Things escalated VERY quickly!

Probably not criminal act on the part of the officer, but it was a terrible decision that appeared to be due to lack of training and nerves that cost someone their life.

folks that are carrying should have some training on how to deal with a police interaction (without having your rights violated) and police should have training on how to interact with someone that is carrying a firearm legally.

I think that the victim (castile in my opinion-he's the one that's dead...) should receive VERY little "blame". I don't think that he did anything that deserved a lethal force reaction....

This is tragic.
 
vp9c said:
Watched the dash cam video.

Things escalated VERY quickly!

Probably not criminal act on the part of the officer, but it was a terrible decision that appeared to be due to lack of training and nerves that cost someone their life.

folks that are carrying should have some training on how to deal with a police interaction (without having your rights violated) and police should have training on how to interact with someone that is carrying a firearm legally.

I think that the victim (castile in my opinion-he's the one that's dead...) should receive VERY little "blame". I don't think that he did anything that deserved a lethal force reaction....

This is tragic.
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I think drawing a dun on a cop who is clearly telling you not this at least a little "blame worthy".

The cop could have waited a couple of seconds and maybe we would have has a completely different kind of story.
 
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I can't see what's happening in the car.but with the hesitation after telling him NOT to reach for the gun, there was the chance to put his hands in a position where the officer could have been more at ease. And everybody went home

Some people don't get , do what he says now. Fight it in court later.
 
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I think that the victim (castile in my opinion-he's the one that's dead...) should receive VERY little "blame". I don't think that he did anything that deserved a lethal force reaction....
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How does that work when a person has told a LEO that they have a gun and are apparently reaching for it even though they have been told not to do so?

When would YOU use lethal force? When the person had fully drawn the gun? When the person had pointed the gun at you? When the person had fired the gun at you?
 
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How does that work when a person has told a LEO that they have a gun and are apparently reaching for it even though they have been told not to do so?

When would YOU use lethal force? When the person had fully drawn the gun? When the person had pointed the gun at you? When the person had fired the gun at you?
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tough to say since I've not been in this situation. I'd like to think I'd wait til I actually SAW the gun. since the gun was in castile's pocket I'm fairly confident the officer didn't see it either.

I don't think the mistake made by Castile was one for which he deserved to die.

again I'm not saying the officer was criminal just that he didn't seem to have the right temperament for this situation.

does anyone here actually believe that Castile had murderous intent? if so, then there's no debate. I would be interested to hear why you believe this.

personally, I think an innocent (as innocent as anyone can be...) citizen got killed.

through the magic of hindsight do you think this situation could have been handled better? or do you feel this was the best possible outcome?
 
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When LEO says Don't reach for the gun... Don't reach for the gun.

Simple really.
 
Mirac said:
When LEO says Don't reach for the gun... Don't reach for the gun.

Simple really.
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I personally don't believe he was reaching for it.

Castile informed the officer of the gun. He may have been MOVING, but since the officer stated he didn't actually SEE the gun, how did he know where it was so that Castile was reaching for it?

This was ugly.
 
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Castile informed the officer of the gun. He may have been MOVING, but since the officer stated he didn't actually SEE the gun, how did he know where it was so that Castile was reaching for it.
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I have a hard time believing that the overwhelming percentage of people will "inform" and then try to shoot the cop. I have a much easier time believing that the cop would overreact upon being "informed". Couple this with clouded (via substance ?) judgement or reactions on the part of Castile and I can see how this could get ugly.
 
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does anyone here actually believe that Castile had murderous intent?
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I think unfortunate circumstances came together to result in an otherwise unnecessary death.
  • the LEO thought he might be dealing with an armed and dangerous robbery suspect
  • the guy informed the LEO he had a gun, but was too weed-addled to follow the LEO's instructions
Ultimately, the combination of a LEO who was arguably too reactive and a drugged and foolish citizen was fatal.
 
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I personally don't believe he was reaching for it.

Castile informed the officer of the gun. He may have been MOVING, but since the officer stated he didn't actually SEE the gun, how did he know where it was so that Castile was reaching for it?

This was ugly.
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Agreed.
 
Those of you saying he wasn't reaching for it, wha was he going for? He didn't have a license and he had already handed over the registration.
 
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