Philando Castile shooting: Officer Yanez acquitted of manslaughter, dismissed from police force
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Hard to believe I get grief for telling folks I have my wallet out BEFORE the officer gets to my window. No way I'm waiting until after I inform. Still don't like the outcome here though.
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spittinfire
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One thing that has never made sense to me is that if someone declares they are carrying to the LEO, what are the odds that they want to inflict harm? I mean, if I wanted to attack the guy I would surprise him, not declare I have a weapon, discuss it and then reach for it while the guy is the plain sight of my actions.
Same with the idea that a cop would be more cautious with a CCP holder then a person who doesn’t have a CCP. Why? Because the CCP might have a weapon but yet he went through mandatory training, passed multiple background checks, mental health checks and paid for all of them out of his own pocket….clearly that is a hardened criminal just waiting to spring his attack. The non-CCP holder….you know nothing about them and yet they are the safer individual?
Same with the idea that a cop would be more cautious with a CCP holder then a person who doesn’t have a CCP. Why? Because the CCP might have a weapon but yet he went through mandatory training, passed multiple background checks, mental health checks and paid for all of them out of his own pocket….clearly that is a hardened criminal just waiting to spring his attack. The non-CCP holder….you know nothing about them and yet they are the safer individual?
How do you know he was actually reaching? What if he was gesturing? The officer could have easily misinterpreted what was going on in the vehicle. How many people tell a cop they have a permit and a firearm, then do a slow draw on the cop to kill them? Seems a little far fetched, unlike the possibility that the cop grossly overreacted to the situation at hand.
How many people are dumb enough to not keep their hands in plain sight when declaring they have a firearm? That's my problem with this situation. Everyone wants to crucify the cop, but why would anyone make any kind of movements with their hands after declaring the presence of a firearm?
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so you think he deserved to die?
Nobody said he deserved it. Whether wrong or right, his actions and failure to heed instructions provoked the final outcome.
Put yourself in the cop's shoes. What would you have done? For that matter, put yourself in the deceased's shoes. What would you have done differently, if anything?
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Your troll is showing...
that's really my point...someone got killed that didn't seem to deserve it. to me that's a tragedy.
acting like the officer did everything perfectly and this is all castile's fault for moving is crazy. in my opinion the lion's share of fault falls on the officer. I think he violently over reacted and killed a person that didn't seem to have bad intentions. probably not criminal but definitely wrong.
as I said in earlier posts I think/hope I would have acted differently if I were in either one's shoes. I've been on the pulled over while carrying and must have acted more appropriately since I survived.
people carrying and cops should be better prepared.
Cause the cop is yelling stop reaching, the girlfriend is telling him to stop reaching, whats he gesturing at, dingleberrys?
I haven't seen any evidence that he had a permit either, you?
Does a permit make you a saint? Mine didn't come with a Halo.
What's far fetched? If you decided you want to shoot the cop and you are sitting and can't draw very quickly why wouldn't you do just like this? The officer is confused at your incredible actions and delays his response while you get your gun ready.
Maybe the cop could have/should have waited another second but it didn't make him wrong says the jury.
You say it like he can instantly freeze. I'd be willing to bet if you were nervous and gesturing while talking and someone said "Don't reach for it!" It would take you a split second to process the command (especially if you were NOT reaching for anything and confused) then react
I've been pulled over a few times while carrying. License/insurance/ccp at the ready, hands on the wheel until instructed otherwise. Guess what? I survived.
Guess what? I've been hauled out of my car having done everything right. I wasn't shot, but the cop spread eagled me on the hood of my car and took my gun because she was scared of it being in the car despite announcing it, having my permit etc
Just because you are perfect doesn't mean that's a universal trait
Amen. Doesn't matter how much you comply, a cowardly POS that shouldn't be on the job will escalate things quickly. I've been felt up and down several times by chickensh*t cops that thought I looked scary or something.
That said, there seemed to be a good bit stupidity on both sides here.
Man complies with every command, is shot anyways:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...ting-autistic-man-s-unarmed-therapist-n745716
According to half the posts here, the victim, per protocol, should not have been shot. So which is it? Does doing what you're told work 100% of the time or is there some margin of error all around?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...ting-autistic-man-s-unarmed-therapist-n745716
According to half the posts here, the victim, per protocol, should not have been shot. So which is it? Does doing what you're told work 100% of the time or is there some margin of error all around?
The victim did as he should have and still got shot. Pretty clear the cop was in the wrong. Not the same situation, though, nor a fair comparison.
I can already here the "do as you should and get shot, do as you shouldn't get shot" comments. Cue NWA. Some people just have a hard on for hating on cops.
"If one of our revenue generators pulls you over to fleece you for a little more money, your hands should not move during the entire encounter. Moving your hands is just cause for being shot to death"
Sounds like something you would hear in a free country, right?
I'm not a police-basher typically, but when you put encounters like this in abstract terms, it's a pretty stupid reason for somebody to lose their life.
Sounds like something you would hear in a free country, right?
I'm not a police-basher typically, but when you put encounters like this in abstract terms, it's a pretty stupid reason for somebody to lose their life.
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Yes because otherwise a cop will be able to justify blowing someone's head off because he broke eye contact "he was scanning for his gun!"
IMHO, the right procedure would be to agree what the next steps are in such traffic stop. For instance, if cop feels uncomfortable for whatever reason, he would say something on the lines of "I am going to give you some steps I would like you to follow to ensure this will be a safe stop. If any of them do not make sense, stop me and have me explain it. Please put both of your hands on steering wheel. I am going to unlock your door and then I want you to put your left hand on the window of the door and push it open. With the same hand, please unfasten your seat belt. Now stand up and face the car. I am not taking your pistol away but I want to make sure I know where it is during this stop." Do it one step at a time so both sides clearly understand the expected outcome.
But I am no cop, so what do I know?
I would also add there used to be a sign on the sides of cop cars that stated: to protect and to serve. The us-vs-them attitude goes both ways. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but who works for who? Who pays for whose salary?
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Nobody is arguing that he deserved to be shot to death, but it seems some are quick to place all fault on the officer when it is shared by bothe parties. There are things that could have been done differently on both sides that would have allowed everyone to return home safely. Another factor that comes into play is the current attitude toward police. Not making an excuse, just providing an insight into the state of mind and enhanced awareness of police. Whether right or wrong, when the current climate leads you to believe that a simple traffic stop has an increased potential for a deadly encounter, it is understandable that officers would be more apt to react. I agree that, as professionals charged with protecting the public, officers need a better way to deal with that increased jumpiness. That starts with a shift in public opinion to support of police.
Apparently the jurors in this case. Listen, nobody said it justifies it. Just that once you disclose you have a weapon, it is unwise to make any gestures or motions that would give an officer reason to believe you're reaching for said weapon until instructed to do so. As stated in another post, awareness of officer safety is increased in the current climate. Responsibility falls on both parties to ensure everyone goes home alive.
And some people just don't like getting shot.
Meckmeister
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The cop in this case gives a bigger picture regarding Mr. Castille. He was a suspect (Yanez' suspect) in a store robbery the day before (he thought he saw him face to face.) Also detected MJ in the car. But all that should be in his distant 'file' and have no bearing on the new events, and certainly does not warrant Mr. Castille getting shot. Vaguely like self-defense laws when the threat goes away in one event, you can't yourself create a new event without legal consequences.
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That would depend on the situation. His best interest and mine aren't necessarily the same.
Then don't do anything that may give someone a reason to shoot you. Pretty simple.And some people just don't like getting shot.
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OK, in what scenario is disobeying an order the right move then?
So the officer should have waited until the gun had been presented before firing? Or should he have waited until he had already been shot?