Philando Castile shooting: Officer Yanez acquitted of manslaughter, dismissed from police force
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Yet.....refer to my last post. And calm down.
My big issue with this case is potential for strengthening of a double standard. Take this situation and place it in a different setting. Two citizens at a gas station, one guy in the driver seat, window down, another guy standing at the window maybe asking directions or bumming a dollar or something. Without the badge, I'd bet a lot of money that someone is going to jail.
"Stop recording me, it's illegal in North Carolina to film a police officer"
https://www.wwaytv3.com/2017/03/08/attorney-speaks-out-after-off/
O K Francis
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How do you figure?
One, there is no double standard. The cop is doing his duty, that we sent him out to do, not a roadside squabble.
Second, If I pull up to you and ask for directions and then proceed to draw a weapon on you, you think you will be arrested for defending yourself?
I am calm, that's just one of the many reasons I don't shoot people when they flinch.
Put yourself, or someone you know, in the same exact situation and you would feel 100% different.
A little empathy goes a long way to help cure some of the stupidity that prevails today.
I have to be more clear, a lawful order?
The only reason that guy knew it wasn't a lawful order is because he was an attorney.
I don't have that luxury.
Look, every one with half a brain knows that the guy was digging for something, the fact that he told the cop he had a gun when he was reaching heavily implies that he was reaching for the gun. The fact that the officer was screaming don't pull it our over and over and the guy still continued to dig implies he was reaching for the gun.
You can try that he just flinched argument with someone else, maybe kindergarteners. They might be naive enough to believe you.
I think that this is the fundamental reason why there will never be "consensus" on this thread (which is perfectly fine with me and helps me understand).
@J R Green and perhaps others are FULLY convinced that Mr. Castile had murderous intent and was reaching for the gun to kill the officer.
Others like myself are not.
If this is your belief I can fully understand why you feel this way.
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Is this day and age, it ain't that "simple".
I'm not convinced he had murderous intent, but (unlike many others apparently) I can understand why the cop would believe that. That's the whole premise of my arguments. If someone tells me they have a gun during a confrontation (which I avoid), and then proceeds to reach for "it", then I'm going to operate under the assumption that they intend harm to me or mine.
Fair point (which is why even though I think that the officer was wrong and I am glad he is no longer an officer, I can see why he was acquitted). It just seems like all internet "arguments" a lot is being lost in translation and folks tend not to acknowledge reasonable points made by one side or the other.
If he was so scared of this stop because of the robbery suspect thing it probably would have went better (for castile) if he had proceeded with a felony stop.
There are a ton of variables in this situation which really complicates it. One variable that could have been controlled is the wifes part. Although to my knowledge she did nothing illegal, she definitely complicated the situation.
My wifes knows if we are ever pulled over together to STFU and not answer any questions.
My wifes knows if we are ever pulled over together to STFU and not answer any questions.
I agree with @dubnali I don't know if the guy had murderous intentions and there is more than enough blame to share with both of the parties actions to a degree. The entire situation comes down to listening to an officers commands. Yes some people get pulled out of a car and searched like 11b but is he still here to tell us about the story. Why is that, He listened to the officer? Right,Wrong or Illegal he is still here to tell that story.
My question of the situation is was the dead guy under the influence of any drugs/alcohol?
I have a hard time believing that he wasn't. It's been a while since the original story came out, but I seem to recall that being part of the issue.
That in my mind would have been the determining factor in a trial.
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So he shot the man for fear of the pot. Does that sound like the media blaming the gun? Still quite a stretch.
I'm no expert on drugs and their effects but it's my impression that MJ, unlike alcohol, doesn't typically make people violent. Befuddled maybe, but not violent.
I feel so lucky to have survived high school and college!!!!!! I was blissfully unaware of the danger this smell meant!
LOL!!!
Exactly. If I shot someone every time I've smelled a little MJ...
The whole premise of the defense of the shooting is ridiculous.
Not to mention he was fired. Had the department deemed it a righteous shooting, he would have kept his job.
The whole premise of the defense of the shooting is ridiculous.
Not to mention he was fired. Had the department deemed it a righteous shooting, he would have kept his job.
Yeah, the weed thing doesn't quite track for me either. There was marijuana in his system but that doesn't make you violent. It may make one befuddled enough to insist on showing your gun to a nice officer even though he happens to be screaming for you not to. Especially when the guy probably didn't have a laser like fix on reality to begin with.
Don't misunderstand my argument here. I'm not bothered that the officer lost his job, he probably wasn't suited to be a cop in the first place. That has nothing to do with the legality of the shooting.
It is easy to be misinformed by reporters and media organizations that have woefully inadequate comprehension or mastery of the English language - or maybe just report inaccurately but in line with their prejudices.
The Minneapolis StarTribune screwed things up royally in a mere 5 sentences, with a headline inaccurately screaming "City of St. Anthony fires Yanez" while contradicting the headline by accurately reporting “The city intends to offer Officer Yanez a voluntary separation agreement” and "terms of the agreement will be negotiated soon."
The City of St. Anthony would undoubtedly prefer the contentious officer's departure, but would have no reason to negotiate a voluntary separation agreement if there were grounds to simply fire him.
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A guy was killed, some say wrongly, some say do what the cop says and it won't end this way. The cop was found to be in the right, and He got to keep his freedom.
The rest is speculative BS. Let's all go have beer and peanuts
The rest is speculative BS. Let's all go have beer and peanuts
Have you forgotten why were here? If we were to cut out the speculation we would be as dead as the old place.
The jury did not find the cop 'innocent' and in the right; the verdict was 'not guilty' of being legally wrong.
Now you're splitting hairs.
In the spirit of this thread I have been speeding around town, looking generally squirrely and non-white and was finally met with some success today.
I got pulled over going 60 in a 45 by NC CHP.
SPOILER ALERT: I survived.
I had my license and CHP out BEFORE the officer got to my car. Kept my hands on the wheel during the entire stop other than to hand him my documents. The officer responded very calmly and let me off with a warning.
Seriously though, my heart rate definitely increased though because I wasn't sure how this particular officer would respond. He was as cool as a cucumber, even when I told him I was headed to the range and actually had 5 firearms with me...
I'd like to think that I behaved appropriately and my actions reassured him. He didn't ask to disarm me. In fact he never even glanced at what I was doing while he ran my info.
He didn't ask if he could search my car (although I have had that asked of me on a few occasions which I think is directly related to me preferring to own and drive really crappy cars and being on the brown side of white).
In this case, I think that being a CHP holder who behaved politely and respectfully actually led him to let me off with a warning instead of a ticket. He actually joked that he did it because he "didn't want me to shoot him in the face".
I still think it is sad and it was a tragedy that Philando Castile was killed.
I wish that Philando could have behaved more like I did and the officer could have behaved more like the one I met this morning.
Obviously it was just coincidence that I got pulled today for those folks with defective sarcasm detectors.
I got pulled over going 60 in a 45 by NC CHP.
SPOILER ALERT: I survived.
I had my license and CHP out BEFORE the officer got to my car. Kept my hands on the wheel during the entire stop other than to hand him my documents. The officer responded very calmly and let me off with a warning.
Seriously though, my heart rate definitely increased though because I wasn't sure how this particular officer would respond. He was as cool as a cucumber, even when I told him I was headed to the range and actually had 5 firearms with me...
I'd like to think that I behaved appropriately and my actions reassured him. He didn't ask to disarm me. In fact he never even glanced at what I was doing while he ran my info.
He didn't ask if he could search my car (although I have had that asked of me on a few occasions which I think is directly related to me preferring to own and drive really crappy cars and being on the brown side of white).
In this case, I think that being a CHP holder who behaved politely and respectfully actually led him to let me off with a warning instead of a ticket. He actually joked that he did it because he "didn't want me to shoot him in the face".
I still think it is sad and it was a tragedy that Philando Castile was killed.
I wish that Philando could have behaved more like I did and the officer could have behaved more like the one I met this morning.
Obviously it was just coincidence that I got pulled today for those folks with defective sarcasm detectors.
No weapon was actually drawn. Yanez even admitted that he never saw a gun nor did he know where it was
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Right, but the statement, I have a gun and him starting to dig in his gun carrying area gave a specific impression.
Again, I'm not saying the officer was 100% in the right and shouldn't have waited another second to be sure.
That's still a BS excuse and to believe it is BS. How many crooks and cop killers run around announcing they have a gun that they're gonna draw first.....let's be honest here and not reach for a reason to ride the blue line. By your same logic it should reason that he wasn't reaching for it considering you hear him say he's not in the video.
So much BS in the whole case down to the who mess about him being a robbery suspect and fitting the description because he had a broad nose. That's all made up after the fact BS to satisfy the feelings of those who could care less that another person was needlessly shot by a cop who was too puzzy to wear the uniform. If it were really true he would have followed procedure and called it in as such before initiating a possible felony stop rather than coming up with that BS excuse after the fact to cover his azz. If it were true he wouldn't have approached the suspect alone gun in holster like a typical stop. But it's okay because there will always be those who continue to buy into the BS excuses as long as it's not happening to them. Simple fact of the matter is that wuss overreacted because he was scared of the black dred head that smelled like weed which is exactly why he doesn't deserve to wear that shield.
They're also claiming the officer had already been given the license and registration but in the video you hear him ask for those items.
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I smoked pot a grand total of twice in my younger years, and so can say that without a doubt you become deadly to chocolate chip cookies and spaghetti O's.
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/06/23/why-the-cop-who-shot-philando-castile-was-rightly-acquitted/
Like this article states, It's not that the officer was right in hindsight, it rely's on what information was available at the time.
Like this article states, It's not that the officer was right in hindsight, it rely's on what information was available at the time.
The dashcam video shows the following:
- 1:21 - Yanez asking for license and insurance
- 1:30 - Castile hands something out which Yanez looks at and puts in his pocket
- 1:35 - Castile declares he has a firearm