Pistol shootout in Charlotte today

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  1. Lager

    Lager Active Member

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    Im a rental manager for a dealership in the area and I had an interesting convo with a customer today. This customer had his car towed in and had a flat tire and needed a rental. I noticed he was on crutches so I asked him if he sprained his ankle or broke it. The rest is as follows.
    Him- No Its more like a puncture
    Me- You step on a nail ?
    Him- No, a bullet
    Me- you shoot yourself in the foot?
    Him- No, I got shot
    Me- Why?
    Him- Don't know, I got out of my car at my house, Dude walks up to me and pulls out a gun and takes a shot at me. Didn't say anything just started shooting. So I pulled out my pistol and started shooting back.
    Me- How far away was he?
    Him- Maybe 10 feet ?
    Me- Did you shoot him too ?
    Him- Yeah, think I got him twice because he fell down but kept on getting up and shooting at me .
    Me- So, what happened to him ?
    Him-He ran off when we ran out of bullets.
    Me-He ran off, after getting hit twice? What kind of gun did you have ?
    Him- Glock 40 cal with hollow points.
    Me-What did you do then ?
    Him- ran inside the house and called the police, they came by and looked at the video footage I have on the outside of my house and didn't charge me with anything and sent me to the hospital.
    Me-Why are you here with a flat tire?
    Him- When I came back home I saw that he shot my tire.So I called a tow truck and now I'm here.
    Me- Why did he start shooting at you ?
    Him- I have no idea, never seen this guy in my life. Im not into any drugs, not in a gang. All I do is work, come home pay bills and go back to work. Maybe its mistaken identy, I drive a flashy fast car, I really don't know.Al I know is that I'm blessed. I shouldn't be standing here in front of you today.
    Me- Where did all those rounds go when you shooting at each other?
    Him- My Aunts car that was in my driveway, its really messed up now. We were chasing each other around the car shooting at each other.
    End of story, there is lots more but I condensed it down to this.
    I learned a lot by talking to this young man, but what sticks the most is that even a 40 cal hollowpoint wont take anyone down unless its fatal hit zone.
    Second, you can never tell when bad things might happen.
     
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    Could not have involved my wife as I removed the truck gun while she is driving it...

    Plus there would be 29 other holes in the car, other cars, planes, UFOs, other than the tire...
     
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    Wonder what type of clothing the bad dude was wearing.
     
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    My take away was this...

    ...we ran out of bullets.

    Don't be that guy. Don't run out of bullets first. ;)
     
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    I call BS people don't just shoot at you for no reason. I guess when he pulled his gun the other guy didn't stick around to find out his reason. But still there is a reason. Wife,GF,Drugs,gangs,money, something.
     
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    One would think a shootout would be on the news?
     
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    Two .40 HPs at ten feet? o_O
     
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    That was fantastic story. I love the narrative of you interrogating him at work lol. I read it in my head with that cold, dark humor tone as if this were in Oceans 11 or something.

    that’s some whacky stuff. Thanks for praying the details out of him ha.
     
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    What a feeling slide lock has to be in that situation.
     
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    Musta been this guy...
     
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    Charlotte has shootings everyday that dont make the news. Gang activity is the normal day to day in certain areas. Only if it gets into suburbatopia does it get on tv
     
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    My head read that in Marvin Webster's voice - LOL
    (John Boy & Billy)
     
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    I gotta call BS on this.
     
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    gang initiation, random meth head looking for cash, animal just wanting to know what it's like to kill somebody
    it really could be a lot of things.
     
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    I guess. Just not likely.
     
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    I did not know that.
     
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    bet it was 180gr cheap HPs out of a short barreled .40 and they never expanded.

    Another reason I only carried 165gr Gold Dots when I EDC'd a .40
     
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    Which Glock 40 has a short barrel?
     
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    me thinks you know it’s a G27 o_O
     
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    I remember reading an account (may have been one of Mas Ayoob's scribes) of a cop shooting a guy like 10 times with a 40 or 45 and he not going down.

    People shot with pistols stop attacking for 1 of 3 reasons:

    1. They take a CNS hit. Instantaneous.
    2. They bleed out or heart stops. Can take from 30 seconds (heart is damaged/destroyed) to several minutes.
    3. They decide to.

    I think #3 is probably the most common.
     
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    Yep the guy was working at a mall.and chased a guy and they shot each other multiple times. Other guy had a G21 and i think the cop had his jaw shot off. I will post it up if i find it
     
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    I was making sure, because since the guy didn't immediately explode into tiny bits when hit with a pistol round then it had to be his crappy gear and ammo choice that caused it.
     
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    Caliber is not as important as shot placement. The .40 is not a magical bullet. Now if he had been shot twice with a 30'06....
     
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    https://www.policemag.com/340305/shots-fired-jacksonville-florida-01-26-2008

    2 glocks, both .40 and .45 and close range. Each shooter landed 7 shots about a 50/50 hit to miss ratio for both (14 and 13rd mags respectively)
    Officer had level II body armor. Bad guy had the high ground.
    Contact shots to the suspects head was what ended the fight.
     
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    Not always. Sometimes it is just random shooting at anybody just because the shooter wants to do so. I suppose wanting to do so is a reason.
     
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    Yup...there have been multiple accounts of people randomly shooting people. Dude in Kernersville a while back stood at an intersection and shot folks, DC snipers, ect. This could have been a car jacking that went wrong, which is the way it sounded to me.
     
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    Yet how often does it happen? I would bet it's more of a statistical anomaly than mass school shootings.
     
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    There are over 300 million people in this country...all shootings are a statistical anomaly.
     
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    Within the category of shootings it's a statistical anomaly.
     
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    That story is nuts!
     
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    Not sure why anyone thinks any handgun will drop a person unless you hit the sweet spot. Bleed out will take awhile. So the people keep coming.

    more bullets is much more important then the hole size. (which is minimal between calibers)

    It’s not a rifle and even then shot placement is key.

    Unless it’s a .50, then your just a pink mist.
     
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    Once more...when we are talking about handguns..NOTHING matters except PLACEMENT & PENETRATION.
    Ever see the cop on stage shoot himself with his 40 Glock during a presentation?? YT it. He continued with the lecture.
    There are No magic handgun bullets. You must cut off either Electrics or Hydraulics.Just poking holes won't do it
    Handguns main asset is that they are easily portable. Pitiful stoppers to real aggressors.
    Placement & Penetration.
     
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    I remember a story when I was in California, in the 80's, the local police engaged a guy on PCP, shot him 39 times (known hits) with .38's before he went down.

    Two shots and down is great, but I would never stake my life on it - keep going until he stops.
     
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    1986 FBI Miami Date Shootout analysis
     
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    Mentions he "drives a fast, flashy car".

    Delayed road rage?
     
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    I was just trying to figure out why he needed a tow and rental for a flat tire. That’s a slow service center.
     
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    I had a fellow employee get shot at close range with a .45 auto. 6 shots and six hits. She still managed to clear the balcony and exit the building. Was conscious and talking to the flight surgeon on the flight to the ER. She was back to work within 6 months. The shooter took 1 round to the head from the same gun and he didn’t make it. So shot placement is important.