Police dash cam shoot out
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Yeah, shooter looked trained. No panic, no awkward movements. Calm, collected, and aimed (fortunately his aim was off).
"In a self defense shooting you wont even have time to look down your sights and aim."
"In a self defense shooting you wont even have time to look down your sights and aim."
There was another version of the video that shows the police cars damage.
https://www.fox16.com/crime/watch-dashcam-video-released-in-ar-shootout/1597311628
https://www.fox16.com/crime/watch-dashcam-video-released-in-ar-shootout/1597311628
Could be wrong, but Im about 99% they are still at large.
There was this one, several years back. Happened locally: http://www.policemag.com/channel/pa...-26-years-for-attempted-murder-of-deputy.aspx
I saw a different video a few years back, similar to the one in the OP where the guy was obviously trained. He would fire for suppression and then advance, and repeat. It wasn't a shooting in a manner like most criminals would engage, but a deliberate execution.
As things continue to decline, this is only going to get more prevalent.
I saw a different video a few years back, similar to the one in the OP where the guy was obviously trained. He would fire for suppression and then advance, and repeat. It wasn't a shooting in a manner like most criminals would engage, but a deliberate execution.
As things continue to decline, this is only going to get more prevalent.
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Its funny that they haven't blasted their faces all over the place, I would guess the marshals have a bead on them.
So many mistakes that could have been fatal, Deputy needs to buy a lottery ticket....
Great example that the engine block is probably the only "hard cover" in your vehicle...
I'm assuming that the bullet holes in the back of the SUV are from the officer returning fire.
I'm assuming that the bullet holes in the back of the SUV are from the officer returning fire.
looks like the caught the guy after another shootout
https://5newsonline.com/2018/11/11/...spect-ends-in-springdale-several-shots-fired/
https://5newsonline.com/2018/11/11/...spect-ends-in-springdale-several-shots-fired/
Ikarus1
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He was backpedaling and left the cover/concealment area of his relatively large SUV.........not smart dude. Make yourself SMALL like the former-Marine Albemarle officer did, not a better cleaner target while running backware blindly.
But.......we all fall back on our training.
But.......we all fall back on our training.
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Ikarus1
Avtomat Krishna-kov
Cobos-Cenobio was also arrested in connection with committing a terroristic act, fleeing, possession of a controlled substance and possession of drug paraphernalia.
Cobos-Cenobio told police he "wanted to die," according to a probable cause affidavit.
So.....wtf is a terroristic act? Also........I think they should grant him his wish, swiftly.......with a rope. And send the body back to Mexico with the freshly cut noose still around his neck.
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Ikarus1
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Yep. I was thinking the same thing......you can argue being to easily identify the bad guy as the one shooting toward the cop.........
However he may have not wanted to take rounds from the Occifer while in said process of carmageddoning bad guy.
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Is there body cam footage? I’m curious, if you’re being shot at while in the vehicle would it be more effective to move the vehicle than to go through the rather slow process of exiting? I suppose that with the cruiser parked at an angle the officer has some cover while getting out, but the process is easily predictable so I’d think high risk.
Vehicle that backed away was curious. Even if you decide to flee, why backwards?
Vehicle that backed away was curious. Even if you decide to flee, why backwards?
I think it was the right direction. Driver was stopped, looking down a long straight road with a gunfight in progress. Backing up around the curve got them to cover fastest. Putting one into BG's melon from 5 yards away would have been more effective but what do I know?
mechdriver
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I get why the bystander in the white SUV backed up...but I'm just curious here, what if he decided to T-bone the shooter while his legs were out of the vehicle but he was shooting? Think he'd be facing any charges from the cops or civil suits from the shooter?
I would hope not but into days society everything is so screwed up I’m not surprised
If they wouldn’t be charges
I think they did the right thing backing up even though they at one point backed into the line of fire if the perps vehicle didn’t stop the bullets from the LEs gun.
If they wouldn’t be charges
I think they did the right thing backing up even though they at one point backed into the line of fire if the perps vehicle didn’t stop the bullets from the LEs gun.
Ok, I'll be the first to say it. Too much trigger finger. 1:39 mark. Weaver stance. Left eye forward, but aiming with right eye - possibly left eye dominant undiagnosed.
But a serious question about the video by the bystander: Why would the officer back up in the relative open, toward a civilian in a truck? Wouldn't staying behind the police car have been safer, and a better tactical position?
Ok so maybe not perfect but I thought he did pretty good from my untrained eye.
OP
Should award you one a get out of jail for free card
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The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if the best act for the cop wouldn't have been to get the hell out of there. What I mean is, would that not have been the safest move, to avoid getting killed? Forget the arrest attempt, his front caught later shows the utility of that line. The guy wasn't shooting at the general public and hence the threat was localized.
As far as the other SUV, the driver was undoubtedly caught by surprise. I don't if most people would have a reaction other than get the hell out of here, not get involved. It's almost the message better into people today. Let the 'professionals' handle it.
As far as the other SUV, the driver was undoubtedly caught by surprise. I don't if most people would have a reaction other than get the hell out of here, not get involved. It's almost the message better into people today. Let the 'professionals' handle it.
I highly doubt anything beyond civil charges that wouldn't go very far.
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Well, if he were to just "RUN AWAY!" we would be having a discussion on the cowardice of the police, how they aint out there protecting anyone, and how those other people in the cars were in danger.
From a "tactical" standpoint, if he were to just "run" he is exposing himself, as long as he is at least throwing lead back the bad guy has more to think about than just aiming and shooting. If he tried to get in his car and run, then he is a sitting duck sitting down.
Most of us adhere to the tenant that if you are in a situation like this, you either fight like the devil, or you run like crazy. Running wasn't a safe option.
Why waste precious time, energy and air while being fired upon to mike the shots fired stuff?
Question #2
Why not persue?
Question #2
Why not persue?
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You just highlighted (no pun intended) one of the problems with video evidence.
From what I could see in the video, with the pieces of what look like broken glass and repetitive shots at it, I viewed the video thinking / assuming the cop was sitting in his car. Furthermore, I was thinking / assumed that he wasn't getting hit because bullets tend to deflect and go a different direction after passing through the glass. Additionally, it looked like he was in the initial stages of a traffic stop which would have undoubtedly been a radio exchange with dispatch for information. In other words, it looked like he was already in his car and a sitting duck as you put it. If so, he's beyond lucky to be alive. Even if he were exiting and behind the door, the door offers concealment, not cover, at best, meaning he's still a sitting duck.
Consequently, my pondering the idea that his best tactical move may have been to get out of there, not return fire from a duck blind.
Training, and you can bet your backside the people's enemies are learning to use that training against them.
As was said in other threads, their training and tactics work because the populace is compliant better than 99.999% of the time, but can go horribly wrong with that other 0.001%. How often does the perp open the door and fire?
If he was sitting in the car...yeah, maybe running would have been a decent option. But that is speculation. It would still lead to the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" discussions on his actions. I think, personally, it is a good thing that police aren't trained to just run away from danger. A dude throwing lead around a street that has traffic on it does, in my opinion, show a danger to the public.
I would have backed up in the SUV too, keep the engine in front of me and no U turn needed.
53 seconds of not knowing if you are going to die right there. Glad he went home that night.
Dumb for female to be walking toward officer with phone in her right hand, belongs in her pocket.
53 seconds of not knowing if you are going to die right there. Glad he went home that night.
Dumb for female to be walking toward officer with phone in her right hand, belongs in her pocket.
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