Police reform wouldn't be needed if?

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I was listening to the news about all of the police reform tasks forces being created and the police budgets being cut. It got me to thinking, could all of this (protest/riots too) have been avoided if the officers involved in the George Floyd incident would have been arrested when they walked back into their precincts?

If it would have been any other person that did not have a badge, they would have been in jail as soon as the video surfaced. Even in self defense situations, your going to get arrested.

If there wasn't a double standard, there wouldn't be a need for all of this that's going on.

As usual, the .Govs aren't addressing the problem they are forming feel good committees that will pass new policies that do nothing.

What's y'alls thought?
 
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My thought is "no" it could not have been been prevented by that. Once the video got out, there was blood in the water. They could have dragged that cop down the street in a bloody mess and hung him from the highest tree and the cities still would have burned. Months of people stuck inside, angst being built by leftist organizations, multiple attempts to destroy the Trump presidency, and mere months away from an election? Nope...it was >the< perfect spark to kick off this powderkeg.

In my opinion, the only thing that could have prevented this would have been if the video had not gotten out as quickly as it did. The cop was then arrested, and thrown in jail, and then the video endorsed and released by the police with a "We are better than this" message showing how quickly they pounced on their own wrong doing.
 
I don't believe that anything would have prevented the riots, and I simultaneously believe that anything would have started the riots.

It seems increasingly obvious that the riots were pre-planned and organized, and the organizers were waiting for a kickoff event.
 
Windini said:
I don't believe that anything would have prevented the riots, and I simultaneously believe that anything would have started the riots.

It seems increasingly obvious that the riots were pre-planned and organized, and the organizers were waiting for a kickoff event.
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How about the governments reactionary task forces being created?
 
The left has been looking for a fuse to start their assault on democracy since Trump got elected. The fact that it took this long for then to find one is a testament to Trumps leadership.

What gets me is this whole campaign is based on a lie. There is no, ZERO, evidence that Floyd was targeted for being black and none to say he was abused for being black.

The fact that no one is saying this is a travesty but if you do say it you might get labeled pro Police brutality and that's got us running scared.
 
Windini said:
Not sure what you mean here. Elaborate for clarity?
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Listening to the news today on the radio and hearing about these government officials calling for defunding the police, reducing budgets, reviewing policy, creating new policies, want task force commissions to solve the police problem, etc..

IMO, all of that is political feel good crap and nothing will change. If the powers that be would have arrested the 4 cops as soon as they learned about the situation, just like they would do to you or me, then all this political garbage and waste could have been avoided.

The riots may or may not have been avoided.
 
You know this whole situation is confusing.

I was on my way home today and ran into a rural Driver's license check on a back road near my house.

I bring this up because when I lowered my window to speak to the 3 Sheriffs looking at me I had a 1911 in a holster on the passenger seat AND a Springfield Armory bag on the seat with an AR pistol also visible. I know it I were in Durahm or Raliegh there would probably be some concern, but nothing!

"May I see your drivers license sir". Sure, and I got my wallet out and showed him. Never even asked!

I realize that a 65 yo white dude in a relatively expensive, loud young man's car is not too startling in the country roads 20 miles N of Asheboro. But I was at least expecting him to ask if I had a CHP.

What's your thoughts? Maybe I expected more, or maybe I am not the least bit threatening - that's good!
 
This is probably a tangent to my original post but I think it shows the double standard that is being applied to LEO.

For whatever reason, you and a cop draw down on each other. Both pointing pistols at each other with your finger on the trigger. He tells you to drop the gun, you tell him to drop his. Your both in fear for your life.

He pulls first and your dead. He is just doing his job and making sure he goes home at end of shift. His shooting is justified.

You pull the trigger first, he is dead. You are now a cop killer and on the most wanted list.

Even if no one pulls a trigger, you will still be charged with something.
 
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cold1 said:
This is probably a tangent to my original post but I think it shows the double standard that is being applied to LEO.

For whatever reason, you and a cop draw down on each other. Both pointing pistols at each other with your finger on the trigger. He tells you to drop the gun, you tell him to drop his. Your both in fear for your life.

He pulls first and your dead. He is just doing his job and making sure he goes home at end of shift. His shooting is justified.

You pull the trigger first, he is dead. You are now a cop killer and on the most wanted list.

Even if no one pulls a trigger or does, you will still be charged with something.
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The "for whatever reason" part is where your argument breaks down.
 
cold1 said:
government officials calling for defunding the police, reducing budgets, reviewing policy, creating new policies, want task force commissions to solve the police problem,
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Gotcha.

When you said (wrote) " goverments reactionary task forces," my first thought was police cadres with reactionary ideals. Other than reading about alleged window smashers and tire-stabbers, I have seen no "reactionary" action.

I agree that the Good Government Appeasement Committee and the Kneel Now for Socialist Justice Task Force are less than likely to bring about Peace in Our Time! II; The Post Supremacy Reich.
 
J R Green said:
The left has been looking for a fuse to start their assault on democracy since Trump got elected. The fact that it took this long for then to find one is a testament to Trumps leadership.

What gets me is this whole campaign is based on a lie. There is no, ZERO, evidence that Floyd was targeted for being black and none to say he was abused for being black.

The fact that no one is saying this is a travesty but if you do say it you might get labeled pro Police brutality and that's got us running scared.
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This issue isnt one of him being targeted because he's black. The issue is that there was no intention to find the officers guilty of any wrongdoing and that's become a common thing.

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cold1 said:
This is probably a tangent to my original post but I think it shows the double standard that is being applied to LEO.

For whatever reason, you and a cop draw down on each other. Both pointing pistols at each other with your finger on the trigger. He tells you to drop the gun, you tell him to drop his. Your both in fear for your life.

He pulls first and your dead. He is just doing his job and making sure he goes home at end of shift. His shooting is justified.

You pull the trigger first, he is dead. You are now a cop killer and on the most wanted list.

Even if no one pulls a trigger or does, you will still be charged with something.
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But, what led up to the two of you drawing down on each other?
 
Wahoo95 said:
I've plenty of not so nice interactions with them and I havent committed crimes.

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I have a good friend who has plenty of not so nice interactions with police. He has had a ponytail since he was a kid and looks like a Hells Angel or Outlaw. But, he's white. Is that racist too?
 
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I have a good friend who has plenty of not so nice interactions with police. He has had a ponytail since he was a kid and looks like a Hells Angel or Outlaw. But, he's white. Is that racist too?
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I never said it was racist or brought it into the discussion. I simply countered the assertion that not doing crimes prevents police interactions.

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But, what led up to the two of you drawing down on each other?
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You wake up to someone beating on your door at 2am, shining a light through the windows, yelling "police open up". You answer the door armed.
 
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J R Green said:
The "for whatever reason" part is where your argument breaks down.
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Your buddy is unconscious and not breathing because the cop has his knee on your buddies throat.
 
You watch a cop shoot an unarmed man and you dont want to be next.
 
cold1 said:
You wake up to someone beating on your door at 2am, shining a light through the windows, yelling "police open up". You answer the door armed.
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I'm not answering the door. I'm calling 911 and asking them if the police are supposed to be at my address.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
You know this whole situation is confusing.

I was on my way home today and ran into a rural Driver's license check on a back road near my house.

I bring this up because when I lowered my window to speak to the 3 Sheriffs looking at me I had a 1911 in a holster on the passenger seat AND a Springfield Armory bag on the seat with an AR pistol also visible. I know it I were in Durahm or Raliegh there would probably be some concern, but nothing!

"May I see your drivers license sir". Sure, and I got my wallet out and showed him. Never even asked!

I realize that a 65 yo white dude in a relatively expensive, loud young man's car is not too startling in the country roads 20 miles N of Asheboro. But I was at least expecting him to ask if I had a CHP.

What's your thoughts? Maybe I expected more, or maybe I am not the least bit threatening - that's good!
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Its a chicken and egg thing and I don’t know which came first. Whether police disregarded black peoples rights and harassed them simply for being black first or if black People were committing more crimes per capita and refusing to talk to police or aid in investigations et al.

I don’t know if it was because of police behavior that black children have been taught to fear any interaction with police or if they were taught that first which makes them more fidgety and disrespectful in a police interaction which leads to them being treated more harshly.

But it doesn’t really matter which came first there is no way to fix the situation at this point. It will take at least 2 generations of police handling all blacks with kid gloves and black parents teaching their kids that the police are not to be feared for any meaningful change.

And for several reasons there is absolutely zero chance of any of that happening.
 
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If it wasn't George Floyd it would have been something else. This country was set up for something like this to happen sooner or later. So many people have been encouraging a racial divide and looking for everything they could call racist if they squinted hard enough, they were going to find a trigger.

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Wahoo95 said:
This issue isnt one of him being targeted because he's black. The issue is that there was no intention to find the officers guilty of any wrongdoing and that's become a common thing.

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They may no be found guilty now due to the race to charge them, overcharges and the evidence that was so carefully metered out as to reach a certain conclusion.
 
J R Green said:
They may no be found guilty now due to the race to charge them, overcharges and the evidence that was so carefully metered out as to reach a certain conclusion.
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That could definitely be the case but at least they'll have their day in court which isn't the norm.

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J R Green said:
They may no be found guilty now due to the race to charge them, overcharges and the evidence that was so carefully metered out as to reach a certain conclusion.
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I've been thinking about this for a while.

Right or wrong, I'm not sure they're convictable ( given that the knee in the neck was authorized in the PD written procedures ) and that the official autopsy indicated that death was not due to asphyxiation .

Secondly, I'd say it'll be nearly impossible to find an impartial jury (regardless of the flavor chosen)
 
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Wahoo95 said:
This issue isnt one of him being targeted because he's black. The issue is that there was no intention to find the officers guilty of any wrongdoing and that's become a common thing.

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That is the problem with qualified immunity as the SC has worded it. I feel DAs are reluctant to charge police because they know that the charges will be dropped/verdicts overturned after the first or second appeal. When you give a group of people a Get out of Jail Free card, some of them will take advantage of it.

The whole “they couldn’t have known it was illegal because a legal precedent that covered their exact circumstances and behavior hasn’t been set” mindset is complete and utter BS
 
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