Police state came knocking for his guns

I can leave her in the next 5 minutes and have my neighbor in jail by night. For nothing. Made up bullshit. Like that piece of crap now saying she lied about our new Court Justice.
If an arrest team landed up at my neighbor's house there is a very good chance there would be hell to pay. So somebody in this guys family told somebody he shouldn't have a gun? Well, he doesn't need one now. Maryland..another shithole Not to go to.[note to self]
 
This reminds me of a conversation on the old site - can't remember who brought it up but this incident begs the question: WWYD if the knock was on your door? You going down fighting like this old man or do you have a better plan? Odds are most of us have people who depend on us and the cops are getting their way... for now.
 
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Tim said:
Well, at least the officers went home safely.
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This time. I'm sure others are learning from events like this and will change tactics.
Catfish said:
This reminds me of a conversation on the old site - can't remember who brought it up but this incident begs the question: WWYD if the knock was on your door? You going down fighting like this old man or do you have a better plan? Odds are most of us have people who depend on us and the cops are getting their way... for now.
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Is this a good question to discuss in an open forum?

Step number one is one I learned in a BB post: don't answer the door.
 
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When is it time for some to cache a percentage of weapons in case of The State.

I had a previous home with multiple open/hidden walls, some 2' wide 20' long. Valuables would be tucked away there when we left on vacation. If you have construction drawings of your home, look them over for dead spaces.
 
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IrishCannon said:
I don't know that that has anything to do with this.
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@Pink_Vapor asked if it was time, as in necessity, for people to have a secret cache of weapons to combat forcible confiscation. Such a cache would require the State to be unaware of them, which means they're not on any sort of registry list.
 
But I think in this case all it takes is a family member to say something, whether they are registered or not. In other words: OPSEC
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@Pink_Vapor asked if it was time, as in necessity, for people to have a secret cache of weapons to combat forcible confiscation. Such a cache would require the State to be unaware of them, which means they're not on any sort of registry list.
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The odds are overwhelmingly in support of this guy never doing anything extreme.
Until they came knocking.
The State caused this one.
And, furthermore, I'd be willing to bet the complaint was filed because of a difference of opinion...over politics.
 
I think the law is discriminatory on it’s face. We need a FOIA request to determine if Republicans are being targeted but this new law. Think the NAACP would take the case? I’d not expect the NRA would want a piece of it.
 
noway2 said:
This time. I'm sure others are learning from events like this and will change tactics.


Step number one is one I learned in a BB post: don't answer the door.
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And for Gods sake, DONT put down the gun, as the cops will then rush in the protect the life out of you.
 
She and other family members stood down the street in the rain while waiting for police to let family members into the home Monday morning — in part to retrieve two dogs and a cat still inside.
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...and they didn't choot the dogs.
 
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Willis was being served an emergency risk protective order following an incident at the house Sunday night. A niece said one of her aunts requested the protective order to temporarily remove his guns.

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/ac-cn-red-flag-folo-1106-story.html

It will be interesting if the family has anything to say. I'm sure the person that called didn't want the guy killed...
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Unintended consequences. Sad, really. But, a wake-up call to both sides. Is this what you really want. It's "OK" when it's a criminal or a crazy, but what happens when it's someone you care about? Is this what you want? People on both sides are going to die. It's unavoidable. I'm sure many officers are rethinking this as well. Protect and serve whom?
 
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georgel said:
Unintended consequences. Sad, really. But, a wake-up call to both sides. Is this what you really want. It's "OK" when it's a criminal or a crazy, but what happens when it's someone you care about? Is this what you want? People on both sides are going to die. It's unavoidable. I'm sure many officers are rethinking this as well. Protect and serve whom?
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Good point. Undoubtedly those that pushed for, wrote, passed, and executed these “laws” envisioned that people will comply with them. What happens when the target doesn’t comply? If you’re the one tasked with carrying out these violations, and yes depriving someone of their property on some sort of say so is a violation, are you going to be willing to knowing there is a good chance that you said goodbye to your family for the last time? Is it worth it?
 
draco88 said:
The odds are overwhelmingly in support of this guy never doing anything extreme.
Until they came knocking.
The State caused this one.
And, furthermore, I'd be willing to bet the complaint was filed because of a difference of opinion...over politics.
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Exactly. That is the plan for the CA false flag law and every other state that has one. Anyone can file a false claim, get people killed, jailed, or otherwise, over wrong think. There are never "good intentions" behind these laws. And the negative consequence are not "unintended."
 
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They'll kill you over a plant. Or shoot you in the back and plant evidence on you for missing child support payments.

Let's get real for a minute: no they won't.
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Well, the hope is, there are still some in the ranks, and I know there are, that will look at this and think, "Wait, this is wrong. This is not the oath I took." These will be our allies. Though, few they may be.
 
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Well, the hope is, there are still some in the ranks, and I know there are, that will look at this and think, "Wait, this is wrong. This is not the oath I took." These will be our allies. Though, few they may be.
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And they will be fired the same way Obama fired all the flag officers who admitted they would refuse an order to fire on innocent unarmed Americans.

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georgel said:
Well, the hope is, there are still some in the ranks, and I know there are, that will look at this and think, "Wait, this is wrong. This is not the oath I took." These will be our allies. Though, few they may be.
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See any stepping up against all the immoral, unjust and unconstitutional laws currently on the books?

I hear a chorus absolving themselves of the accountability of enforcing the bidding of the State - with such excuses as they're merely enforcers, and if the law is unjust, you should just comply and take it up with the politicians.

They currently do what they are told, without question, and without regard for any professed political or ideological beliefs.

I don't see that changing just because it's guns that are the next in a list of Liberties the People can't be trusted with.

Hope is a terribly unreliable thing to rely on when things go sideways.
 
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There are plenty of cops that have either quit or gotten fired over refusing orders, you just don't hear about them. That's not a sexy news story.



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IrishCannon said:
I personally hear and see them every day.

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Yeah? Lots of guys and gals with badges talking about how they aren't going to enforce this law or that law?
 
At the end of the day, this will continue to occur until the price of doing business in the usual manner becomes more than the Heroes (TM) can stomach.

It will likely mean stacking enough bodies that there aren't enough to make anymore lip synch challenge videos, but the fact remains that the only language violence understands is violence reciprocated, and to such a degree that it is no longer smart to continue to do the bidding of politicians when it runs counter to the will of Public.
 
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