Police Use of Force: Reasonable or Necessary?
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Interesting video with good information. I have frequently said that the cops should be held to the same standards as everyone else. He basically makes the same case, and also points out how it's important from the perspective of protecting the person who has to defend themselves. It also reminded me of how it's the threat that justifies the use of force which is why you are justified even if the gun is fake or broken, but the "necessary" standard applied after the fact would jeopardize this.
Every LE I know should see this.
We had another Welfare check on a person end up with a dead body. They checked on the Welfare, person barricaded in their house, yelling and giving the finger. Told them she had a gun showed it and got herself "DRT".
I don't like this checking on Welfare business. I don't want the Poleeece in my home.
Masaad Ayoob wrote...if you didn't Call the Police, you don't Need the Police in your home.
I have personally had experience while working with local LEO that made me understand that you don't want them in your house........Believe Me. There wasn't a problem at My home But we went to an apartment that was later served with a warrant and drugs were found.
We had another Welfare check on a person end up with a dead body. They checked on the Welfare, person barricaded in their house, yelling and giving the finger. Told them she had a gun showed it and got herself "DRT".
I don't like this checking on Welfare business. I don't want the Poleeece in my home.
Masaad Ayoob wrote...if you didn't Call the Police, you don't Need the Police in your home.
I have personally had experience while working with local LEO that made me understand that you don't want them in your house........Believe Me. There wasn't a problem at My home But we went to an apartment that was later served with a warrant and drugs were found.
Why send cops for a welfare check in the first place? Especially if they're a little off in the head. Isn't that Social Work? When I am elected Governor I will mandate that all SWAT teams disband (except my personal security detail.) Honestly, surround the place. Dial their cell phone."Breonna, honey, step outside please. We might have to kill your boyfriend." Or the Hollywood bullhorn. "This is the police. We have you surrounded. We come in peace." My campaign is now accepting donations if my message rings true.
If I wasn’t given a certain amout of protection in my job of being a police officer, there is no way in heck I’d ever take on that responsibility.
The world is becoming more and more evil, so go ahead and defund the police and see what happens.
The world is becoming more and more evil, so go ahead and defund the police and see what happens.
Alyssa Milano won’t be the only person crapping her pants.
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With all due respect that would neither be practical nor fair. We normals do not get sent into dicey situations, we have not sworn an oath to intervene should we come across a crime in progress. Some extra latitude does seem appropriate. That being said if cops clearly go too far they should be held accountable and things must not get pushed under the carpet.
What good man in his right mind would put on a police uniform, strap on a gun, put his life in harms way, for this kind of B.S.
The man in the video was correct. Gun, Knife, Club can all kill you, so at what point is it reasonable to defend yourself. Think fast, react fast, Split seconds matter, sorry you took too long thinking about it and your dead. You wife, kids, parents and family now have to deal with it.
Police are armed to protect themselves and public when they can. Criminals are armed to intimidate, harm others, commit crimes against you, your love ones, and defend themselves against the law trying to stop them. The criminal is out for number 1 and to hell with the rest of the world, as long as they get theirs.
I also see what hes talking about with the victims of police shootings. It happens and the news jumps on it. The news shows high school pictures of this sweet innocent kid, THE CROWDS GO WILD! Then a days later you see the real pictures of a 25 to 35 year old man with gang tattoos, and in the fine print of the article you see the 5 page rap sheet on the low life. But they would like you to believe that the victim of the shooting would NEVER to anything wrong, and the police are totally at fault. ANOTHER B.S. How many times in the past year have the social justice people tried to shove this garbage down our throat?
I have said enough for now! Support your local PD.
The man in the video was correct. Gun, Knife, Club can all kill you, so at what point is it reasonable to defend yourself. Think fast, react fast, Split seconds matter, sorry you took too long thinking about it and your dead. You wife, kids, parents and family now have to deal with it.
Police are armed to protect themselves and public when they can. Criminals are armed to intimidate, harm others, commit crimes against you, your love ones, and defend themselves against the law trying to stop them. The criminal is out for number 1 and to hell with the rest of the world, as long as they get theirs.
I also see what hes talking about with the victims of police shootings. It happens and the news jumps on it. The news shows high school pictures of this sweet innocent kid, THE CROWDS GO WILD! Then a days later you see the real pictures of a 25 to 35 year old man with gang tattoos, and in the fine print of the article you see the 5 page rap sheet on the low life. But they would like you to believe that the victim of the shooting would NEVER to anything wrong, and the police are totally at fault. ANOTHER B.S. How many times in the past year have the social justice people tried to shove this garbage down our throat?
I have said enough for now! Support your local PD.
The police don’t kill enough people for me to give a single F. We’re stuck in the mindset that life is precious and valuable, it’s the cheapest thing on the planet and always has been. Someone presents a viable threat then they get shot, end of story.
Not saying that the police get a free pass, monitor the carp out pf them and require that they make good decisions and hold them accountable for really bad decisions. But we gotta accept that they have to make a larger number of these decisions that most of us ever will, and they will make mistakes. We shouldn’t hold them to a superhuman standard.
Not saying that the police get a free pass, monitor the carp out pf them and require that they make good decisions and hold them accountable for really bad decisions. But we gotta accept that they have to make a larger number of these decisions that most of us ever will, and they will make mistakes. We shouldn’t hold them to a superhuman standard.
Did you steal my brain?
There are many job that have fallen on the police that need to given to somebody else. Traffic enforcement, parking enforcement, welfare checks, car accident reports...these can all be handled by non armed people.
I don’t understand why you think officers doing some stuff shouldn’t be armed. Meter maids are one thing, that’s just a cost saving, but aren’t traffic stops the most dangerous part of the job?
Police think everything is dangerous, when in reality they have a very safe job.
2019: 697,000 police in USA, 89 killed in line of duty. Data proves it's a safe job.
U.S. law enforcement officers 2020 | Statista
How many police officers are there in the U.S.? In 2020, there were 696,644 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States.
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FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty | Federal Bureau of Investigation
According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents.
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2019: 697,000 police in USA, 89 killed in line of duty. Data proves it's a safe job.
U.S. law enforcement officers 2020 | Statista
How many police officers are there in the U.S.? In 2020, there were 696,644 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States.
FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty | Federal Bureau of Investigation
According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents.
Even less died fighting in professional MMA.
Would you call MMA a “safe job”?
How many died in MotoGp? Would you call racing in MotoGp a “safe job”?
You hate cops. We get it.
What about the numbers of those shot, disabled or seriously injured while on duty. I say most of the doubters couldn’t survive the training that’s involved to be a cop. It’s not a ‘easy’ profession.2019: 697,000 police in USA, 89 killed in line of duty. Data proves it's a safe job.
U.S. law enforcement officers 2020 | Statista
How many police officers are there in the U.S.? In 2020, there were 696,644 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States.
FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty | Federal Bureau of Investigation
According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents.
Daryl Turner
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And you have worn a badge how many years?
Noted. Probably lame of me to say “hate”.
It’s just not fair to use death rates as the only factor for “safety” it to judge
Every cop I’ve ever known (and EMT, Para, etc) has PTSD to varying degrees.
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Daryl Turner
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Daryl Turner
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Ordinary everyday calls kill more officers than anything.
My good friend thinks the Philly shooting looks like murder to him. First he said target practice. I'm stunned. No doubt he saw a legacy media edited version of the video, and they push the notion , "could this have been handled differently?" Cops should just stay away from black suspects altogether. Why ruin your life after risking it in some thankless mission? It's suicide in our absurd society today.
