Practice Thread

FlatFender where would one find information on Anderson's "call it and leave it drill"? I've heard him talk about it a lot on the podcast but haven't been able to find much info. Although I haven't bought his book yet.
 
hlpressley;n66845 said:
FlatFender where would one find information on Anderson's "call it and leave it drill"? I've heard him talk about it a lot on the podcast but haven't been able to find much info. Although I haven't bought his book yet.
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8" steel plate at like 10y

2 shooting boxes, maybe 4-5 steps apart, 10y from the target.

Set a 10sec par time. Start in a box, shoot the steel. Move to the next box, shoot the steel, move back to the first box. See how many reps you can get in 10 seconds. You can't leave the box until you hit the steel.
 
FlatFender;n66942 said:
You can't leave the box until you hit the steel.
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I tried that drill once. This is how they found me. I was following the rules.

 

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dmarbell;n67192 said:
I tried that drill once. This is how they found me. I was following the rules.

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Thats how I felt on a stage yesterday
 
Went to the range yesterday and played around with shooting targets on the move vs. posting up and then moving.

On the stage I built, the average hit factor from posting up was 4.2, and the average from moving was 4.9, which is a significant difference, and feels awesome to have that data point I can use later on. All the details are in the blog post for today's podcast.
 
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FlatFender;n69871 said:
Went to the range yesterday and played around with shooting targets on the move vs. posting up and then moving.

On the stage I built, the average hit factor from posting up was 4.2, and the average from moving was 4.9, which is a significant difference, and feels awesome to have that data point I can use later on. All the details are in the blog post for today's podcast.
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It would be interesting to try that with partially covered targets.
 
Starkherz199;n69916 said:
It would be interesting to try that with partially covered targets.
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Yep, I want to add in partials, distance, and a standing reload and see what happens then.
 
FlatFender;n69946 said:
Yep, I want to add in partials, distance, and a standing reload and see what happens then.
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Let me add my perspective to this. At the beginning of 2015 I submitted a couple match videos to Steve Anderson for review. His advice was to shoot everything, and practice everything with shooting on the move. I spent the whole year shooting on the move in practice, and matches. I kept good notes on my matches, and when I went back after the 2015 Sectional and analyzed everything...I found that shooting on the move is a detriment 75% of the time for Production. Shooting on the move burns you big time when there are partials in an array. I'm not against it...I just noticed when I would compare my matches to other production shooters they would edge me because I was dropping points shooting and moving, while they were posting up and cleaning A's. Chris Edwards showed me this in 2 Pitt Co. matches. He edged me out of Production wins because I would drop a very close shot in hard cover while moving, That Sectional was the final straw. I dropped 3 mikes in hardcover that were 1 millimeter in the hardcover almost touching the A-zone...and it killed my score. I believe I wasted a year of practice.

Last year I abadoned it...and tried posting and shooting. My match points went up...my standings at matches went up, and I had a great Sectional; probably my best match to date, as I shot 95% of points at that match. I also watched other shooters who were close to my rank in Production, and everytime I saw them shoot on the move, I made a mental note to look at their stage score later and see how it shook out. From the whole year, I only recorded one instance of a person shooting an array on the move that bested my stage score when I posted up. I will never shoot a partial on the move unless it is 7 yards or closer...and I will never shoot a Tuxedo partial on the move for any reason.

I did find that you benefited a lot by shooting while moving backwards out of arrays that made you did in; if you've shot at Sir walter in the last year you know what I'm talking about. I also found that you could shoot on the move while entering a shooting spot...at targets that had no cover, and post up the rest of the shots on the array. That worked for me. After two years of working on this...I think you benefit from limited amounts of shooting while moving...very limited amounts. And I'm speaking specifically for Production. Shooting while moving makes a lot of sense when shooting at major PF. I still practice in livefire and dryfire shooting on the move...but I use it sparingly in matches.
 
FlatFender;69871 said:
Went to the range yesterday and played around with shooting targets on the move vs. posting up and then moving.

On the stage I built, the average hit factor from posting up was 4.2, and the average from moving was 4.9, which is a significant difference, and feels awesome to have that data point I can use later on. All the details are in the blog post for today's podcast.
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There is a lot that goes into what you can and cannot shoot on the move. What you did is a great start to understanding what you can and cannot do. Try it with varying target presentations and distance. See what happens. But here is the dirty secret, you don't need to go all in standing or moving.
The best hit factors are made by doing the most movement possible, but maintaining points. A simple deduction I know. But! If you keep that in mind you don't have to be so literal in your thinking, running or standing.
Think about it like this, what is the FASTEST I can move during said array? The answer may be Run, stand, walk or most often overlooked starting to move/shifting body weight (still movement).
The best way to practice this is to have a small stage 8 to 10 rds with many different target difficulties, focusing on maximizing movement on everything.
Does that make sense? It's late and I get rambly. :p
 
Got Stoeger's dry fire guide.
Did about 20 minutes last night.
Now to stay committed to practice in any form.
 
Went to some group shooting...first shot freestyle at 20 yards with the G34...I almost stopped after this and went inside. Good to know my gun is dialed in.
 
FlatFender;66942 said:
8" steel plate at like 10y

2 shooting boxes, maybe 4-5 steps apart, 10y from the target.

Set a 10sec par time. Start in a box, shoot the steel. Move to the next box, shoot the steel, move back to the first box. See how many reps you can get in 10 seconds. You can't leave the box until you hit the steel.
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I tried this today, my boxes were probably 4 yds apart, and my plate at 10yds was 6". Starting hands relaxed at sides best run saw 3 reps and stepping back in to the "fourth" position as time expired.

Immediately apparent I don't run enough or hard enough in matches. And I'm in terrible aerobic shape. (Really just reinforced both)

I usually wait way too long to start building a sight pic.

Leaving a position fast enough to run into your falling brass feels pretty good. To a slow guy anyway.

Good drill, I'll probably grind a ditch into the pistol bay running it.
 
Ive actually reduced the time per session, finding that I get really bored halfway through a long session so I cut it down to 20 minutes.
 
I did draw to 2 shots mag change to 1 shot, trying to get under 2 seconds. It was tough and only made about 4 times. I also worked on facing up range, hands above shoulders, turn and draw. This is a very weak spot for me and can only get it in about 1.7 seconds. Then I worked out for an hour and then I loaded 200 rounds for Spartanburg.
 
Haven't been doing a lot of live fire but I've been working the dry fire 5-6 nights per week for about 20-30 minutes. I need to work in some live fire with the new Nitro Fin. I actually look forward to dry fire sessions nowadays!

And perhaps more important, I'm down 12lbs in 12 days. Goal is to be down 50lbs by Georgia State the beginning of November. Lighter usually means faster and faster means more gooder!
 
back to the basics all week so far in dry fire. 100 reloads, 100 draw to sight picture on target. Goal is .9 sec par time for both. Hitting the mark most of the time
Then 20 mins on transitions off the clock. Trying to smooth things up. Eye doc appoint tomorrow (Friday) with Eyefly from the old forum.
As usual, zero live fire, no where to go close to home
 
Mike Overlay;n80432 said:
[video=youtube_share;WqpfpESHFjc]https://youtu.be/WqpfpESHFjc[/video]
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Dang.....Makes my reloads look like the old trapper in the trading post scene, in Josey Wales, had told me to reload...
"move real slow, like lasses in wintertime..."
 
Butter;n80580 said:
Not gonna lie here, I was gonna dry fire but a bowl of ice cream got in my way tonight
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Falling a sleep at 6pm really got in the way of my practice schedule. Oh well. I feel real rested though.
 
Got a 30 minute session in. Worked on all 3 guns for Sunday. The session went by alot faster using more than just the pistol
 
Decided to stay home from the match today and work some live fry practice. Worked on shooting on the move, target transitions some wide, some not, and of course the obligatory Bill Drill and El Prez. I managed a 9.39 HF on El Prez this time after working it in dry fire for the last few sessions. Progress is evident but the work left to be done is glaring!
 
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hlpressley;n82284 said:
Decided to stay home from the match today and work some live fry practice. Worked on shooting on the move, target transitions some wide, some not, and of course the obligatory Bill Drill and El Prez. I managed a 9.39 HF on El Prez this time after working it in dry fire for the last few sessions. Progress is evedent but the work left to be done is glaring!
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You know Daniels reloading video done skeered you away! That's alright, we ate a burrito for ya.:cool:
 
Sticking to the basics for a while longer. Draws, Draw one shot reload, Draw one shot reload one shot reload one shot. Keeping the par times slow for now, big focus on sight picture and grip.
 
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This week, reloads. Reloads within a step (left and right). Also moving while keeping sights flat and on target left and right.
 
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I did a little experimenting, first are clay holders for shotgun practice, then next set of pics are for my redneck plate rack. The plate rack is going to work out good I believe, just need to add another bolt to keep the plate base from rotating after being hit. The plastic saw horses arent going to last long so I need to find a metal set. The clay holders ended up being around $35
 
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