Project Car cancels homeowners' insurance due to drone surveillance

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CJ Sveen still owns his first car, a 1966 Corvair that he’s in the process of restoring.
But Sveen’s home insurer, California State Automobile Association Insurance Group, claimed that the “dilapidated car” was cause for the termination of his policy after apparently seeing it in a drone photo.


 
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Kinda surprised about the car,being a cause for cancelation. It is Kommifornia. I used to think despite all the other crazy liberal stuff, this place used to be the custom car meca state. They're trying to kill that now ....

If an insurance company goes by your home and you have say a German Shepherd or some other dog that " They say is an aggressive breed " that also a cancelation.
 
When will they (insurance company) address a real serious threat...EV ...

How soon before homeowners insurance will require set distance from any house where an EV is parked or they will cancel flat!!!!
no chargers in the garage. All charging must be done at least 50 yards from a structure.
Also, any charging cable longer than 25 yards is a risk of electrical fire.
Must have all chargers professionally installed with underground cables.
stick to walking, biking, and public transit.
Also, biking is at risk of causing heart problems due to climate change
 
Kinda surprised about the car,being a cause for cancelation. It is Kommifornia. I used to think despite all the other crazy liberal stuff, this place used to be the custom car meca state. They're trying to kill that now ....

If an insurance company goes by your home and you have say a German Shepherd or some other dog that " They say is an aggressive breed " that also a cancelation.
Here in the Eastern part of NC, I bought a house and Farm Bureau asked me if I had any dogs to which I replied yes. They asked me the breed and I asked them why and they told me that they had restrictions and I asked them what breeds are restricted ? Pit bulls/Germans/ Rotts/ chows/ Dobermans so I told them Hound dogs so all went well and they issued the policy. They should have included Min poodles.
 
Insurance companies have taken it hard in the butt the last several years and are looking to leave certain markets. See Florida and companies just cancelling entire the state. Not saying it’s right, just that it is happening.
 
I can only speak to NC, but the insurance companies have to get permission from the NC Commissioner of Insurance to raise rates, and if they got hosed the past year or two due to hurricane, damnpanic, alien invasion, whatever, and they can’t make make money with the current rate structure, I’d expect them to take drastic measures.
 
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Insurance companies have taken it hard in the butt the last several years and are looking to leave certain markets. See Florida and companies just cancelling entire the state. Not saying it’s right, just that it is happening.

Yep, got family in Bladen, I’m told Nationwide is not renewing homeowners policies that are east of the river there.
 
When will they (insurance company) address a real serious threat...EV ...

How soon before homeowners insurance will require set distance from any house where an EV is parked or they will cancel flat!!!!

It's begun a little bit in the Auto Repair Industry. A few independent shop owners I know have gotten calls from their insurance company asking if they work on electric cars. If they do, their rates go up and they are told they can't leave them inside when they aren't being worked on. I haven't heard of any shop having their policy dropped, but it'll probably happen right after someone gets injured working on one.
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See Florida and companies just cancelling entire the state.
Uh huh. They tried this after Hurricane Andrew. Refused to insure homes anymore.
The Florida insurance commissioner said fine. You won't do homes, then you get nothing else either. No auto insurance, no life insurance, no health insurance...nothing.
The insurance companies response was 'never mind' and quickly shut the hell up.
 
I can only speak to NC, but the insurance companies have to get permission from the NC Commissioner of Insurance to raise rates,

Do they? We get a little letter each year with our auto policy that says it exceeds the pricing allowed in NC.... so I'm not sure why there is a 'limit' if the only enforcement is telling people that a policy exceeds it. Haven't ever not seen that with both carriers we've used.
 
Insurance companies have taken it hard in the butt the last several years and are looking to leave certain markets. See Florida and companies just cancelling entire the state. Not saying it’s right, just that it is happening.
There are certain known high risk areas that if you build, you should be on your own if it gets destroyed due to conditions one could reasonably predict. For example a hurricane at the coast. You shouldn’t be able to get the advantages of beach living and then expect everyone else to subsidize your loss when the inevitable happens.
 
Do they? We get a little letter each year with our auto policy that says it exceeds the pricing allowed in NC.... so I'm not sure why there is a 'limit' if the only enforcement is telling people that a policy exceeds it. Haven't ever not seen that with both carriers we've used.
I had four NC insurance licenses 10 years ago. Never actually practiced, but that’s what they taught us.
 
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Kinda surprised about the car,being a cause for cancelation. It is Kommifornia. I used to think despite all the other crazy liberal stuff, this place used to be the custom car meca state. They're trying to kill that now ....

If an insurance company goes by your home and you have say a German Shepherd or some other dog that " They say is an aggressive breed " that also a cancelation.
California has been a net negative cash flow on fire policies (this includes Homeowners for years. Many insurance companies, rather than blanket cancel, will just aggressively underwrite. They want to diminish their risk. It is the way the business works.

It is a big world out there. Find another carrier. Not the end of the world. I had companies cancel for the kind of dog you had. This is because of the crazy personal injury risk to the company. I was surprised to find that my particular county is rated "more risk" by my carrier, and they demanded I take a 5% deductible on wind claims. This is aggressive underwriting, designed to limit the risk to the company. Since I believe in VERY high deductibles anyway (remember I was in this business about 20 years), this was no problem to me. Don't live paycheck to paycheck but budget UNDER what you think you can afford, and you will have $$ for emergencies (like two cancer surgeries in 4 months, or a wind claim on your house). The CA market is crazily overinsured, as well, as insurance companies DO NOT INSURE YOUR LOAN VALUE OR YOUR MARKET VALUE. They insure the cost to replace your house, or put back in its devalued form, if you don't have replacement cost (that DOES happen). It is a weird market.

When I sold my business, I had approximately 4 thousand customers. I once computed the commissions on my book compared to the commissions on a four thousand customer book in a few other states (Alabama, TX, Florida, Georgia). In TX I could have had half the customers and made more money. NC rates are very very low compared to most states. CA I could cut my book by 75% and made more money.
 
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Uh huh. They tried this after Hurricane Andrew. Refused to insure homes anymore.
The Florida insurance commissioner said fine. You won't do homes, then you get nothing else either. No auto insurance, no life insurance, no health insurance...nothing.
The insurance companies response was 'never mind' and quickly shut the hell up.
This is false. NO ONE really insures houses in Florida anymore, as almost everything since Andrew has been written thru the state reinsurance pool
 
This is false. NO ONE really insures houses in Florida anymore, as almost everything since Andrew has been written thru the state reinsurance pool
+1 to that. Most of the big carriers pulled out of the home market. Allstate, Nationwide, State farm, etc. They still wrote auto, many are pulling out of that too due to the rampant PIP fraud and Uninsured Motorist claims.

The wind portion of almost everything goes with Citizens, the state insurer. Then citizens transfers it to some tiny crappy insurer that jacks the rates up until the next hurricane when they declare bankruptcy. Rewrite with Citizens, wash rinse repeat.
 
I can only speak to NC, but the insurance companies have to get permission from the NC Commissioner of Insurance to raise rates, and if they got hosed the past year or two due to hurricane, damnpanic, alien invasion, whatever, and they can’t make make money with the current rate structure, I’d expect them to take drastic measures.
Companies are not OBLIGATED to sell us anything. The bitching and moaning in here about the wicked profiteering is amusing. OF COURSE THEY ARE WICKED PROFITEERS. If you want someone to sell you something as a service to you, find a charity or something.

The way they make money is .... (wait for it).... PAY OUT LESS THAN THEY BRING IN! This means they are going to evaluate YOU to determine if they think you fit into any number of risk categories on which they have lost money in the past. If you do, expect to pay more, or have them say "no thanks" I find this type of infantile nonsense especially amusing among young 20 something males who have totalled two cars, and caused serious injury to others. So far, these clowns have caused, say 40,000 dollars in damages to their own cars and others, and created well over 60,000 in personal injuries, not counting legal fees to defend their idiot selves. Over 100,000 in losses to the companies, and these dunderheads are INDIGNANT that their rates are 300 dollars a month to insure yet another chickmobile,as their egos just won't allow them to drive a beater until the fines go off (we call them "insurance points"). Instead you hear a harrangue on what greedy profiteering monsters the insurance companies are.... never mind that if they paid in over 300 dollars a month, it would take them THIRTY YEARS to come close to breaking even. If you have a large loss on your homeowners, the numbers are even worse.

As @fieldgrade above stated, there are "limits" to what the insurance commissioner (a politician who oversees rates and makes sure the wicked companies don't gouge people) allows a company to charge. As a result, people show up with disproportionate risks (for homeowners, this is particularly on the coast, with hurricane risks and companies simply say "no thanks.. if we want to throw away money on bad risks, we will just play the lottery." Politicans (and ignorant consumers) really don't believe in MARKETS where risk is priced and companies compete by aggressively pricing so that they can make money rather than the other companies also seeking your business. They believe in the illusion that they PROTECT you from greedy profiteering swindlers, so they set a cap on prices. Whether that is chainsaws after a hurricane, gasoline prices, or insurance prices, they love to play the white knight, and the suckers fall for it (SAVE US, O MIGHTY BENEFICENT GOVERNMENT!!!). So those "limits" make companies walk away. Politicians look bad when that happens. So, they say "hey, you can go ahead and CHARGE MORE THAN IS FAIR (!?!?!?!?!?), BECAUSE NO ONE WILL SELL YOU COVERAGE AT A FAIR PRICE (!?!?!?!?!). You just have to sign this paper saying that we, the insurance commission, labored mightily to save you, but alas, we were unable." It is a ridiculous kabuki dance.

Don't get the idea that I think insurance companies are noble, honest selfless outfits always committed to honesty and decency. In fact, with the larger companies swallowing the smaller ones (Integon, for example was eaten by a NYC based firm, which was take over by Allstate), all of them are corporate in their mentality, which means they are like banks. Do you prefer Wells Fargo over SECU? Then you will like Progressive, State Farm, Allstate, etc. They rely on mechanistic, machine driven models and you are either in or out. There is no debate, because no one you will ever talk to has authority to make any exceptions..... and if they are in a tight spot, expect them to lie like hell and leave you to rot... if they can. The bigger the company, the more likely it is to happen. It is life in America. It is why I prefer NC Farm Bureau, Erie, and a few other smaller companies to insure my assets (I did go lowball on my life insurance and go with an online Prudential policy). Erie is, by and large, an honest company, as is NCFB (who gave me my start in insurance). I don't think ANYONE is like some fiduciary Sister Theresa or something. They have to make money to survive. You would all do better to understand the business model and how they make money than take up some silly accusation that "they are all crooks."
 
+1 to that. Most of the big carriers pulled out of the home market. Allstate, Nationwide, State farm, etc. They still wrote auto, many are pulling out of that too due to the rampant PIP fraud and Uninsured Motorist claims.

The wind portion of almost everything goes with Citizens, the state insurer. Then citizens transfers it to some tiny crappy insurer that jacks the rates up until the next hurricane when they declare bankruptcy. Rewrite with Citizens, wash rinse repeat.
PIP(personal injury protection) fraud is an example of insurance companies slitting their own throats. They lobbied (strongly) to force minimum protections for any passenger in the car to have what is in essence hospital insurance. This was done "because we care." What it did, of course was wildly inflate the premiums on car insurance, and create a venue for fraud, WHICH IS NOW CAUSING THEM TO PULL OUT of the very market they rigged. Again, don't think I believe insurance companies are virtuous, or even honest. At times they are downright stupid and crooked. PIP coverage ( a mandated coverage in many states ) is an example of them getting their hands in your pockets. Whatever you may think of the NC Dept of Insurance (I have had a few run ins with them, some of them very funny), they have represented the people of NC well in resisting the lobby pressure to include mandatory PIP coverage
 
There are certain known high risk areas that if you build, you should be on your own if it gets destroyed due to conditions one could reasonably predict. For example a hurricane at the coast. You shouldn’t be able to get the advantages of beach living and then expect everyone else to subsidize your loss when the inevitable happens.
These properties are all insured by what is called the state pool (at least for wind damage). No insurance companies will voluntarily write them within the allowed rate structures, so the state gets a "pool" together to fund (at higher premiums) these hi risks. Sounds good and fair, right? Here is the punch. Every guy in here, including those who live in a 15 year old mobile home in the mountains, all pay your own homeowner premiums, right? Wrong. In fact, a percentage of your premium goes to fund this hi risk pool. Insurance companies ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OPERATE HERE FOR HOMEOWNERS/FIRE IF THEY DON'T PAY INTO THE POOL. This is why Farmers came into the NC market in 2000 and pulled out in 2005. They simply did not understand the reinsurance pool. Anyway, this percentage of your homeowners funds the pool, which is a well managed pool, including wise percentages of reinsurance (another topic, but there are giant insurance syndicates, operating out of Lloyds of London who take on mega risks.... it is "reinsurance" and every major carrier participates in insuring themselves). Anyway, it is a well managed, well funded pool so that the premiums and state subsidies are commensurate with the risks........ with one big big problem...... The owners of beach property are wealthy, politically connected (did I just repeat myself) and they have the ear of the political class when they whine about hi beach insurance premiums. Well guess what? That is right, THE BEACH PLAN AIN'T SWEATING CHARGING THEM LESS.... .because they can always charge YOU more! That is right boys and girls, Bill and Sally are paying what? 900 dollars or so a year for their homeowners? Well, we will just be sure they pay more (a mere pittance...., say $8.40 a year more) and we will cover the shortfall caused by charging J Porcine Munificence IV, Esquire less than true market rates for his 4 million dollar vacation home. It is one of the most egregious transfers of wealth from the little people to the big people I have ever seen. I am not theoretically against the concept of insurance pools. It is the only way some drivers can get liability insurance for example. This one is horribly wrong, though.
 
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So.... Nationwide is NOT on your side 🤮
No. They are not. They have this weird commitment to making money, and have determined that they lose money on homes insured in this geographic area. They have decided not to write them. MOST companies have pulled out of writing wind and hail coverage east of I-95. If you want house insurance, SOME companies will underwrite for Fire, theft, vandalism, etc, and some won't. VERY VERY few companies will write wind and hail, and you will wind up with a policy that is a hybrid, with the damages associated with coastal living written in the high risk state pool.
Insurance companies are nothing more than legalized extortion and should be RICOd...
I am afraid my eyes might get stuck in the top of the sockets, they are rolling so bad.
 
High insurance costs are a direct result of the insane inflation tactics or government seems to love so much.

When everything else skyrockets, from gas to food to property and yes, even taxes, insurance has no choice but to go astronomical in response.
 
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