Proper Grip

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makes a difference. Yesterday at the range was my first true test of if a proper grip makes a difference. My old grip everything from 7 yards out has been slightly low and to the left when aiming at the bullseye. Yesterday I acually had 40% of my shots go to the right side of center. Yesterday was my best day ever shooting at the range at 25 yards. I could put 4/5 consitantly in a 8" circle at the rate of a rd a second.
Now I have to train myself on to get a proper grip out of the holster.
The grip I have always used is what Bob Vogel calls a monkey grip.
 
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makes a difference. Yesterday at the range was my first true test of if a proper grip makes a difference. My old grip everything from 7 yards out has been slightly low and to the left when aiming at the bullseye. Yesterday I acually had 40% of my shots go to the right side of center. Yesterday was my best day ever shooting at the range at 25 yards. I could put 4/5 consitantly in a 8" circle at the rate of a rd a second.
Now I have to train myself on to get a proper grip out of the holster.
The grip I have always used is what Bob Vogel calls a monkey grip.

So how would you describe "the proper grip"?
 
Mike, I was confused. You said 'proper grip', old grip. Whatever. I spent part of the weekend watching Miculek talking about grips and shooting his .380 at 200 yds and his revolver at 1000 yds.
 
Mike, I was confused. You said 'proper grip', old grip. Whatever. I spent part of the weekend watching Miculek talking about grips and shooting his .380 at 200 yds and his revolver at 1000 yds.

Lol,, 380 at 200 yards,,,rev at 1000,,, ya have to shake your head.
 
Miculek likes to show off, Vogel likes to show how. I enjoy watching both but....
 
Don’t make either of them mad and then shake hands with him.
 
I have one of those, the pivot pin likes to walk out.

Amazon has three packs of knock off Cpt o' Crush for like $20, called Heavy Grips or something, if/when you don't find that challenging.

3.99 at Lydl,, I think that's how you spell it. The other German grocery store ( like aldi )
 
I have one of those, the pivot pin likes to walk out.

Amazon has three packs of knock off Cpt o' Crush for like $20, called Heavy Grips or something, if/when you don't find that challenging.

I like my Capt of Crush. T, 1, and a 1.5. I put down a 4.5 mile run/jog/walk daily cept for Sundays. For the first mile I do 4 reps of 10 each hand with T. Then do 2 sets of 10 left hand only. 1 or 1.5 pending how my hands feel that day.
 
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Tonight I did a drill a member gave me.
Dot torture twice
Wizard drill twice
And some Majicmike freestyle

Probably 200-250 dryfire rds

Grip thing set as hard as I can get it
3 sets of 20 on each hand
 
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I believe Vogel has a great technique but I have a difficult time with that grip in relation to a position where I can see the front sight alignment. The reason is I am left eye dominate. I tilt my head severely to the right while firing and my arm/shoulder position is awkwardly twisted.

I noticed the arms, really the elbows are much more bent and flared wide than what you typically see at the range. Most shooters seem to lock the elbows. What am I missing that would alleviate the strange twisted feeling from the left eye dominance issue?
 
I believe Vogel has a great technique but I have a difficult time with that grip in relation to a position where I can see the front sight alignment. The reason is I am left eye dominate. I tilt my head severely to the right while firing and my arm/shoulder position is awkwardly twisted.

I noticed the arms, really the elbows are much more bent and flared wide than what you typically see at the range. Most shooters seem to lock the elbows. What am I missing that would alleviate the strange twisted feeling from the left eye dominance issue?

Find a really good eye doctor and just have them switch your eyes over.
Shouldn’t be that tough for a grandmaster surgeon.
 
Find a really good eye doctor and just have them switch your eyes over.
Shouldn’t be that tough for a grandmaster surgeon.
Gonna pass on that suggestion. I have enough vision issues now as it is. But I will tell you on my last visit the doctor suggested corrected vision for distance in one eye and a weaker contact in the other eye for reading. Now I’m all screwed up. Sensitive to bright lights and sun which also causes migraine headaches unless I wear sunglasses. On the bright side my hearing tremendous.
 
Gonna pass on that suggestion. I have enough vision issues now as it is. But I will tell you on my last visit the doctor suggested corrected vision for distance in one eye and a weaker contact in the other eye for reading. Now I’m all screwed up. Sensitive to bright lights and sun which also causes migraine headaches unless I wear sunglasses. On the bright side my hearing tremendous.

I have been considering a similar glasses solution. I can’t see a front sight anymore. It’s just a fuzzy mess. Need to see an eye doctor.

Also have super sensitive eyes in daylight. Sucks!
 
I noticed the arms, really the elbows are much more bent and flared wide than what you typically see at the range. Most shooters seem to lock the elbows. What am I missing that would alleviate the strange twisted feeling from the left eye dominance issue?


Have you tried learning to shoot left handed?
 
I believe Vogel has a great technique but I have a difficult time with that grip in relation to a position where I can see the front sight alignment. The reason is I am left eye dominate. I tilt my head severely to the right while firing and my arm/shoulder position is awkwardly twisted.

I noticed the arms, really the elbows are much more bent and flared wide than what you typically see at the range. Most shooters seem to lock the elbows. What am I missing that would alleviate the strange twisted feeling from the left eye dominance issue?

Vogel's technique works well for him. It doesn't work so great for me, not real repeatable, lot of stress in my wrist.

Most top shooters I've read or listened to agree on a few things, maximum contact with the gun as high as possible, grip harder with the support hand (this is for trigger finger dexterity), work it til it's repeatable as blinking.

My observation is elbow positioning is shooter dependent, some roll up/out, some down, most have some bend in them. A lot of people talk of using shoulder/chest muscles to help grip and positioning their elbows to accomplish that, I'm not convinced it's necessary or effective.

I'm not cross dominant but slight unequal bend in the elbows is how you compensate for the fact your wrists are not on the on a plane parallel to your torso, so find a natural bend that puts the gun where you need it.
 
I believe Vogel has a great technique but I have a difficult time with that grip in relation to a position where I can see the front sight alignment. The reason is I am left eye dominate. I tilt my head severely to the right while firing and my arm/shoulder position is awkwardly twisted.

I noticed the arms, really the elbows are much more bent and flared wide than what you typically see at the range. Most shooters seem to lock the elbows. What am I missing that would alleviate the strange twisted feeling from the left eye dominance issue?

I'm cross dominant also. I just turn my head a little to the right also. I'm gripping a lot more now with my weak hand and it seems to help
 
Tried it. Almost impossible for me. Muzzle flip was drastic.

My spouse had this issue. Try tilting your pistol 45 deg to the left to align sights with your dominant eye while keeping your head erect. Or, simply bend your left elbow slightly moving the sights directly in fromt of your left eye, again keeping your head erect. This will be a challenge as you have become accustomed to laying your head on your right shoulder. Re-learning new muscle memory will be difficult but, you will be happy with the result.
 
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