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Driver side rear tire on my wife’s SUV blew out from a piece of metal and it is beyond repair.
Thread on passenger side rear tire has 15,000 miles on it.
Tire repair shop is recommending replacing both rear tires because of uneven thread wear that potentially will cause issue with the differential.

what say you?
 
Driver side rear tire on my wife’s SUV blew out from a piece of metal and it is beyond repair.
Thread on passenger side rear tire has 15,000 miles on it.
Tire repair shop is recommending replacing both rear tires because of uneven thread wear that potentially will cause issue with the differential.

what say you?
Is it still under factory warranty?
What does the owners manual say?
 
If its down to the thread at 15k miles. I'd look at different tires.

And down to the thread need to be replaced anyway
 
Not under warranty.
nothing on uneven wear and differential in manual
 
15k mi = 1/4 of the tire’s life
Let’s assume tread depth on a new tire is 11/32”
Min tread depth is 2/32
So we have 9/32 of wearable life
Let’s assume your wife is a little tough on her tires and will only get 45k out of them.
That would mean you have used 3/32 of the tire.

Is 3/32” enough of a difference to cause damage to your differential? I doubt it but I can understand why the service guy is going to recommend you replace both.

BTW what type of car? Not all AWD are created equal.
 
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Driver side rear tire on my wife’s SUV blew out from a piece of metal and it is beyond repair.
Thread on passenger side rear tire has 15,000 miles on it.
Tire repair shop is recommending replacing both rear tires because of uneven thread wear that potentially will cause issue with the differential.

what say you?

If you have a full sized spare, buy another tire just like it and use them on the rear of the SUV. Take the 15K mile tire and make it the new spare.
 
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15k mi = 1/4 of the tire’s life
Let’s assume tread depth on a new tire is 11/32”
Min tread depth is 2/32
So we have 9/32 of wearable life
Let’s assume your wife is a little tough on her tires and will only get 45k out of them.
That would mean you have used 3/32 of the tire.

Is 3/32” enough of a difference to cause damage to your differential? I doubt it but I can understand why the service guy is going to recommend you replace both.

BTW what type of car? Not all AWD are created equal.
Lexus RX350
 
If you have a full sized spare, buy another tire just like it and use them on the rear of the SUV. Take the 15K mile tire and make it the new spare.
Donut spare @Me. already chastising me for letting my wife drive a car with a donut spare.
 
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They are lying.

If the diff can't handle that, you have a class-action-suit on your hands. You can do the math on the differences if you wish, but it would probably be no different than the two sides being off a psi or two in inflation.

I have owned a few Audis over the years and I tend to agree with this. The one thing to remember is that there is a hidden gem in your comment. If you are like the avg driver and your tires PSI tire to tire is off a few PSI and there is a circumference difference they may stack causing issues.

In the Lexus I believe that the AWD system is only activated when the system detects a slip. The car runs in FWD 80% of the time. I doubt you will damage the diff. That said I try to keep the same tire wear on all 4 tires. If I can't I keep the same wear level on the same axel. whenever possible.

The wife took a huge nail to the sidewall of her BMW M3s driverside rear tire. It is not AWD but since the other tires had less than 10,000 left on them I replaced all 4. With a higher performance car that is pushed it is more important to keep the tire wear consistent. She drives the thing like she stole it and good tires are a must. In the end it is not worth being cheap with tires. IMHO
 
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Also.... shame on you for letting your wife have a SUV with a donut spare. :D
No joke, my brother called me one day asking what he should do about the donut he had on his car. I told him to take it to the tire shop and have his full size repaired.

He told me he was about to run over the 60 mile (or whatever it was) range that is written on the side of tire and that he couldn't make it to the tire store.

I don't know what he thought, that the tire was preprogrammed to explode at 60 miles or something? 🤷‍♂️
 
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What is a spare tire? Neither of my high price German cars came with one LOL.
 
99% of modern awd cars dont have limited slip but are open diffs, brake pulse is what directs the power flow.
Minor mismatches in diameter aren't an issue but you run the risk of the speed sensors picking up too much of a discrepancy in diameter and putting wear on the brake system .

Clutch pack or torsen differentials can quickly get really pissy with mismatched sizes.
 
AWD vehicles have 3 differentials - front, rear, and center. The job of the differential is to allow for a different speed between the front and rear axles (center diff), or between left and right sides (front and rear diffs).

This video contains a great explanation of how a differential works.

The ring, pinion, and spider gears in a differential can handle a million miles of different rotational speeds.

An "open" (or unlimited slip) differential, will transfer all rotational energy to the wheel with the least amount of traction. I.e., if your left tire is on pavement and your right tire is on ice, the left tire will remain stationary while the right tire spins uselessly. To combat this problem, your vehicle may have "limited slip" technology. This limits the amount of slip, or speed difference. This technology can be implemented either by a set of gears (Torsen style) or by a set of friction clutches. This video explains how a clutch pack limited slip works.

Theoretically, if you have 2 different sized tires, you will have constant difference in wheel rotational speed, but not enough difference to lock the output shafts together, and thus create premature wear of the clutch friction discs.

If you run the math on tire size, you'll find there's an approximately 2.5% difference between brand new and fully worn tires.

Is that enough to cause premature wear? If so, how long before this becomes an issue? It's not really clear.

You should weigh your ability to purchase 2 vs. 1 tires against possible repairs later in the vehicles life (much greater than 100k miles would be my guess).
 
What is a spare tire? Neither of my high price German cars came with one LOL.
No kidding
i miss that about my BMW 535
 
I’d buy two new ones. And keep the 15K tire handy for the next issue.
 
Subaru says to do the same thing. But I've seen plenty of beater Subies running around with mismatched new/used tires with no diff damage.
 
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