Range report, 7-9-19

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  1. Millie

    Millie Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    The 1911 9mm is up to its old tricks: I greased it up really well, like we did Sunday, and shot 3 magazines, and on the 4th, 3rd round from the end, failure to feed. I just put the gun aside.

    I shot 15 magazines in the Glock 19, then about 40 rounds in the p238.

    I'm going to email Jenny at Armscor to send me a label and off we go again. This time I'm asking for a new gun or my money back. I can't do this any more with them.

    A guy at the range has found me a Springfield 1911 9mm that I can put on layaway, and he'll buy my new RIA and the "old" .45, and I'll have a new, higher-end 1911, more than double the price of mine. Or at least this is his plan. We shall see.

    I'm done with shooting for the next couple of days, and I told my former instructor I was going home to cry, but that I'd be back in a few days to decide which gun to use in the match! LOL. I'm feeling pretty bad right now.

    However, I'm going to shoot some gun or other on Saturday, probably the G19. I refuse to wuss out on the match just because my precious 1911 did!

    Hope you guys have a better day than I'm having so far.
     
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    It will still be a 9mm. Beretta 92FS you will not be disappointed. If you want to keep the 1911, then Ruger 9mm.
     
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    Again.

    Yeah, time to get rid of that one if it's having issues all the dang time.
    Maybe look at a different platform all together?
    Go Beretta 92!
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    HA! You posted as I was typing the same thing!
     
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    Sharp minds think alike.
     
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    Fact is, it's a dead reliable weapon. SURE, SOMETHING could go wrong, but there is a reason it was so popular among police and military for so many years.
    Good capacity, great reputation, plenty of cheap usgi mags and stuff

    Was my first pistol and it's still my go-to for matches (though I did screw up last time and use a glock I wasnt as familiar with...wont do that again)
     
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    After the FTF, did you clear the round and keep shooting? Reason I ask is to see if it continues to FTF or run.
    Hand loaded the magazine or Lula?

    Remember if you are in a match or find yourself in a defensive situation, you're not going to stop shooting.
     
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    How much for the, um, ....problem child... pistol? As is.
     
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    I just emailed Jenny and told her I want a working gun. They can send a replacement if they're confident one will work, or they can send me my money. We'll see what she has to say.
     
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    I just couldn't do any more, so I stopped shooting it. Lula.
    In a defensive situation I won't be counting on a 1911, much as it pains me to say it. That's what the G19 is for.
     
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    Millie Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    If I sell a broken gun, I won't get my money out of it, so I want my money from RIA....all of it. Sorry. lol.
     
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    Sell the replacement here instead of the store. Better return on your initial cost.
     
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    Ok, I will. I'm so done with RIA at this point. Very disappointed.

    A guy I met at the range today has a RIA and he's having issues, I think his is a .45, though. He's had his for 6-ish years, and it's only been in the last 6 months that it's started to screw up. But I hear from Tony that several people he knows are also having major issues with their RIA guns in various calibres, so.....at least it's not just me! LoL. It's all of us!
     
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    If he has only had issues for the past 6 months of 6 years I'd say he is doing pretty good. Parts/springs wear over time...all guns will have issues at some point...some sooner than others.
     
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    Do not sell a working 1911 in 45 ACP to buy a 1911 in 9mm. It is throwing good money after bad. 1911s in 9mm have issues at all price points.

    Send the RIA back into them for replacement and then sell the gun privately not at a shop. Take that money and save for 1911 in 9mm but don’t sell the working 45 ACP.

    If I were you I would move on to another platform. Maybe a Browning Hi Power clone would fit the bill.
     
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    Would be interesting to measure the spring including the magazine springs to verify they are still in spec.
    Yes you ran 5,000 rds but as I said Sunday if Rock inspected the pistol and noticed any abuse they would have told you.
     
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    The .45 has had some issues too, or I'd never think of getting rid of it.
     
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    Measure away, I'm sure Jenny will get back to me in a few days though, so you need to get right on it.
     
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    What is wrong with the 45?
     
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    Not as much as is wrong with the 9mm. It's had 2 failures to feed and one failure to fire. I'm going to keep shooting it a bit more, to see how severe the problems are. This was also a low(ish) end gun, so what can I expect, right? ( I have 250+ rounds for it too, I have to shoot them up.)

    I should just shoot that thing in a match and see what happens...but I haven't shot it one handed a lot yet, and it might try to fly out of my hand! LOL. It's got a little recoil to it. Maybe next range day I'll see what it wants to to.
     
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    Millie, I just saw this thread. DO NOT make ANY trade with ANYBODY at the gunshop!!!!!! Repeat DO NOT!!!!!!! Call me after 6 PM.
     
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    If I gave up on every gun that had a failure to feed or failure to fire the safe would have a lot less guns in it. :rolleyes: These are mechanical devises which sometimes do not work as intended. In my experience which is not as vast as some on here most failure to feed, failure to extract and failure to fire are ammo related. If it is not ammo related then it is magazine related if we are talking about semi-auto guns. Only once both of those have been ruled out do I suspect the gun is the issue. I always run high quality mags and decent ammo in my guns. If I am running cheap ammo I expect more issues but honestly for the most part everything runs as it should 99% of the time.

    When I have a failure like you had at the range I clear said malfunction and continue shooting just like I would if I was using the gun in a self defensive situation. After I am done with the mag I retrieve the round, inspect it and the magazine. If I do not see anything out of the ordinary I will reload that round into the and attempt to shoot it again. Most of the time it feed and fires. At that point I conclude that it was operator error, poor ammo or a poor primer strike which could have been caused by the ammo or the gun.

    99% of the time the malfunction does not happen again. If it fails again the mag is then marked and removed from the rotation and the failing round is kept for further inspection. 99.999% of the time the issues does not return using other mags in the bag. Even if it does not occur again the magazine gets broken down and inspected when I get home. If it looks good I keep it marked but watch it on the next range session. If if continues to malfunction depending on the mag it get tossed or it gets is springs or minor parts replaced.

    Ammo is the cheapest weakest link in the system chain when you are shooting. It is the cause of most malfunctions. IMHO It does not matter if it is factory ammo or home made reloads. It is more often than not the issue. When a round has totally failed at the range most of the time when I get home I can figure out why. 99% of the time it is out of spec in some manner. Once inspected the round it tossed. These days most of the ammo I shoot is reloads done by me so I yell at the QC manager, me , and move on with life. The second source of most malfunctions is operator error.... o_O but that is for another thread.
     
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    Don't get excited, I can see your blood pressure creeping up. Lol. I mentioned that the range guy offered me this solution. (He did show me a nice gun, though. LoL.)

    What, are you going to bark at me on the phone about not trading my gun? Not going to call you for that!! If you aren't going to bark at me, you can call me whenever.....lol. If you do bark, I'm hanging up!!

    I'm not going to do anything drastic with these gun decisions.

    I have a match to get ready for, so that will take some doing, so my head can be in the right place.

    I'm still going to work on the .45, see what happens there. I might go give it some range time later this week. Got plenty of ammo for it.

    It was great seeing you Sunday! I'll see you in a couple of weeks, if the heat hasn't gotten too bad for you to be out shooting. Drink lots of water!!
     
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    I set the 9mm aside because I just couldn't take any more of the screw-ups from it. The two range days I had before taking the gun to B. Oaks, I did continue to shoot it, marked the magazines, etc. Just no heart for it today, and I had other guns to get to.

    I'm still going to shoot the .45. I want to see what it does.
     
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    Out of all the pistols I have sold, I sure wish that I had kept my RIA 9mm doublestack. Thing ran/runs like a raped ape. As far as I know, it still performs regularly in 3 gun matches.
     
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    One Last comment from me....I remind All..Sunday..6 different shooters..5 different kinds of ammo..5 different magazines...me shooting the gun Upside Down with two fingers only holding the gun. 400+ rounds shot with ZERO malfunctions of Any kind.
    And with that you may now Color me OUT...……………………………….
     
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    You have the patience of a saint.
     
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    Thanks Men, it Just ran out...…………………….
     
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    He does!
     
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    I called, left a message. I'm not making any trades on anything right now, I need to think first. lol.
     
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    Lol, can I get my number on your call list the next time I make a gun trade? There should be a Guns Anonymous for us poor souls that can't say no when it comes to guns.
     
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    You can always PM me, all of us are your range therapists.
     
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    I'm not sure you can help him to NOT buy guns, though!
     
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    Somehow I feel like a crack addict being offered help from a dope dealer):).
     
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    1911’s in 9mm if shot enough will misbehave occasionally depending on what ammo you’re running, if the gun is properly lubed, and running mags it likes.

    I’m running my RIA 9mm in Saturday’s match. I’ve only changed the mag catch and the thumb safety which should have no effect on how it runs. We’ll see how it does.
     
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    @Millie You have to remember that hiccups along the road are to be expected. They are part of the process and part of gun ownership. Do not look at them as "failure" or "tragic". They happen learn to work with them, diagnose them and fix them. If you don't want to do that stick with Glocks. LOL o_O
     
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    I'm not saying any of this is tragic, just a pain in the butt. It was a failure in that it failed to feed a round. Not a lot of other ways to say that one! LOL.

    I just think if I buy a gun it should work after I send it to get fixed. Maybe I'm asking too much. Who knows. I'll send it back (again) once I hear from the RIA girl.

    In the meantime, I'll keep trying with the other 1911, the .45. It's only had a couple of small issues, and I'll be shooting it in a couple of days. Not really sure what more I can do.

    As for the Glock....yes, I'm sticking to it for carrying and matches. lol.
     
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    Is this in Dunn? I'll look forward to finding out how your gun does!

    I'll be there with the Glock or the 1911 .45. LOL.
     
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    (Exactly what I was thinking.)
     
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    You’ll see a pretty large percentage in your squad shooting 1911’s Saturday. They are a bunch of old school guys from Buccaneer Gun Club in Wilmington. And they’ll be shooting nice ones.

    That said, the rest of the squads you’ll see nearly no 1911’s, besides me.
     
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