Read! It's about HR 3999 Bump Stock Bill.

I agree these are serious times and this bill sucks, but at the same time statements like "After that amnesty period nearly every owner of a semiautomatic rifle with a magazine of any capacity would be immediately classified as a criminal" are just fearmongering. Although I do think the open endedness of this bill is very scary.
 
Love2shoot said:
I agree these are serious times and this bill sucks, but at the same time statements like "After that amnesty period nearly every owner of a semiautomatic rifle with a magazine of any capacity would be immediately classified as a criminal" are just fearmongering. Although I do think the open endedness of this bill is very scary.
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I disagree. If this is the official wording of the new law it absolutely should cause fear.

“To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and for other purposes.”

That's a broad brush and too open to interpretation... A lib judge/DA could easily make any of us a criminal on a whim with that...
 
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bigfelipe said:
I disagree. If this is the official wording of the new law it absolutely should cause fear.

“To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and for other purposes.”

That's a broad brush and too open to interpretation... A lib judge/DA could easily make any of us a criminal on a whim with that...
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I agree with your disagreement. Very dark days ahead it is seeming like. :(
 
"After that amnesty period nearly every owner of a semiautomatic rifle with a magazine of any capacity would be immediately classified as a criminal."

That part was a bit of a stretch, and not quite factual, but I could certainly see this law flexed by a prog activist judge that would make it so.


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Love2shoot said:
I agree these are serious times and this bill sucks, but at the same time statements like "After that amnesty period nearly every owner of a semiautomatic rifle with a magazine of any capacity would be immediately classified as a criminal" are just fearmongering. Although I do think the open endedness of this bill is very scary.
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You're right. It might take them a year or two to get to that stage.
 
Love2shoot said:
I agree these are serious times and this bill sucks, but at the same time statements like "After that amnesty period nearly every owner of a semiautomatic rifle with a magazine of any capacity would be immediately classified as a criminal" are just fearmongering. Although I do think the open endedness of this bill is very scary.
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Sorry...got to disagree with you on this.

The reality is that nearly ANYTHING can be used to increase the firing rate of a semi-automatic rifle. Give me a tenpenny nail and a small piece of wood and I can crank out hundreds of rounds a minute.

Think I'm kidding on the tenpenny nail comment? I'm not. I can visualize it easily, and it ain't hard to do at all.

So, what does this mean?

What it means, exactly, is that with this simple fact of reality, the next step is to make semi-automatic weapons themselves illegal...because simply owning one defacto grants any individual the essential component MOST important to creating such an illegal weapon...the semi-automatic weapon itself.

Which then makes every owner of a semi-automatic weapon a criminal.

Think this is a stretch?

Well, take a good, long gander of the history of gun control in this country:

- Jim Crow laws following the Civil War.

- NFA of 1934, ostensibly for the purpose of making submachine guns and short barreled shotguns illegal or exceedingly expensive. Ended up including short barreled rifles of any kind, silencers, and Destructive Devices".

- The 1968 Supreme Court decision in Hughes v. United States which effectively neutered how the government could use the NFA of 1934 and resulted in it's amendment to give the government power again, and directly lead to the GCA of 1968.

- GCA of 1968 gave us, among other things, the FFL system, marking requirements, import limitations, and more.

In the midst of all this this came a whole host of other restrictions...mailing and shipping restrictions, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, and more. And some of these were Ex Post Facto laws...look that one up.


Now add to this the following quotes and tell me that you HONESTLY don't think that what I stated isn't PRECISELY in line with the goal of total disarmament (and they are not anywhere near a complete listing):

President Bill Clinton: "Only the police should have handguns."

Senator Diane Feinstein: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them; “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ’em all in,” I would have done it."

Senator Howard Metzenbaum: "No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals … we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.”

Vice President Joseph Biden: "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."

Senator John Chafee: "I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)… . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!"

Representative Bobby Rush: "My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don’t have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that’s the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation."

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence: "We will never fully solve our nation’s horrific problem of gun violence unless we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons."

Nelson T. Shields of Handgun Control Inc.: "We’ll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily – given the political realities – very modest. We’ll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal."
 
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bigfelipe said:
I disagree. If this is the official wording of the new law it absolutely should cause fear.
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Yes, it should cause fear in any politician dumb enough to try to push such a measure. They will get a real world lesson in the notion that there are real limits in how much the people of this nation will accept the "law of rulers". They're do drunk on their own fake perception of power thstbthry think they dedclare sonething sand we will obey. They'd be wrong,
 
bigfelipe said:
I disagree. If this is the official wording of the new law it absolutely should cause fear.

“To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and for other purposes.”

That's a broad brush and too open to interpretation... A lib judge/DA could easily make any of us a criminal on a whim with that...
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I think they were going after "gives the user the ability to fire faster" but don't understand that's not the same as "rate of fire" otherwise swapping springs could be a felony. At least I hope that's what they meant. These are the same people that banned bayonet lugs in the 90's.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
As the key element in all boating accidents in which all one's firearms are lost, boats will soon be outlawed.
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Good! I am sick and tired of wasting money on guns and having them go overboard. I also used to fish so much more when I didn't have a boat.

Boats suck
 
Brian K said:
That can ban whatever they want....

And you can choose to comply or not.
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Robert Heinlein? Is that YOU?

“I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

- Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
 
On a side note...talked to my wife today and she said "I want a bump stock!"

(This is her response to any government action to ban anything. God bless her!)

I told her bump stocks were really overrated, and she said she was just kidding anyway.
 
Slappy McTrigger said:
I think they were going after "gives the user the ability to fire faster" but don't understand that's not the same as "rate of fire" otherwise swapping springs could be a felony. At least I hope that's what they meant. These are the same people that banned bayonet lugs in the 90's.
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If you notice there is a dirrected and controlled narrative that has spread in "librul" circles, typically it pertains to the AR platform but they apply it to any semi automatic rifle with more than a few to NSA: "It was designed to shoot (or kill) a lot of people really fast". That is the narrative that is being pushed and what they will see for their lever.
 
noway2 said:
"It was designed to shoot (or kill) a lot of people really fast". That is the narrative that is being pushed and what they will see for their lever.
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Speaking of levers, the "repeating rifle" was also designed to shoot a lot of people really fast.
 
noway2 said:
If you notice there is a dirrected and controlled narrative that has spread in "librul" circles, typically it pertains to the AR platform but they apply it to any semi automatic rifle with more than a few to NSA: "It was designed to shoot (or kill) a lot of people really fast". That is the narrative that is being pushed and what they will see for their lever.
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I agree. It's always a matter of controlling the language. If you control the language you control the narrative. Evidence of this can be found everywhere. The "gun show loophole" is a great example. I wish they'd find that darn thing and close it once and for all! My personal favorite is when the very legislatures that are charged with crafting/passing laws call for things that have been law for decades.
 
They're going after bumpfire stocks today, but how long before the "allows a semi auto rifle to fire faster" is used to ban aftermarket triggers because of the faster lock time? This bill scary and needs to be defeated.
 
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The text of the bill has officially been posted: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3999/text



115th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 3999

To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture,
possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is
designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic
rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun,
and for other purposes.


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IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 10, 2017

Mr. Curbelo of Florida (for himself, Mr. Moulton, Mr. King of New York,
Mr. Polis, Mr. Lance, Ms. Kelly of Illinois, Mr. Meehan, Ms. Rosen, Mr.
Royce of California, Mr. O'Rourke, Mr. Smith of New Jersey, Mr.
Cartwright, Mr. Paulsen, Ms. Gabbard, Mr. Costello of Pennsylvania, Mr.
Kihuen, Ms. Ros-Lehtinen, Mr. Delaney, Mr. Dent, Mr. Gene Green of
Texas, Ms. Stefanik, and Mr. Perlmutter) introduced the following bill;
which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

_______________________________________________________________________

A BILL



To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture,
possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is
designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic
rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun,
and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. PROHIBITION ON MANUFACTURE, POSSESSION, OR TRANSFER OF ANY
PART OR COMBINATION OF PARTS THAT IS DESIGNED AND
FUNCTIONS TO INCREASE THE RATE OF FIRE OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC
RIFLE BUT DOES NOT CONVERT THE SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE INTO A
MACHINEGUN.

(a) Prohibition.--Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is
amended by adding at the end the following:
``(aa) It shall be unlawful for any person--
``(1) in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, to
manufacture, possess, or transfer any part or combination of
parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of
fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the
semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun; or
``(2) to manufacture, possess, or transfer any such part or
combination of parts that have been shipped or transported in
interstate or foreign commerce.''.
(b) Penalties.--Section 924(a)(1)(B) of such title is amended by
striking ``or (q)'' and inserting ``(q), or (aa)''.
(c) Sentencing Guidelines.--Pursuant to its authority under section
994 of title 28, United States Code, and in accordance with this
subsection, the United States Sentencing Commission shall amend and
review the Federal sentencing guidelines and policy statements to
ensure that the guidelines provide for a penalty enhancement of not
less than 2 offense levels for a violation of section 922(aa) of title
18 of such Code if the device described in such section 922(aa) has
been--
(1) used, carried, or possessed during or in relation to a
crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (as such terms are
defined in section 924(c)(3) of such title 18); or
(2) smuggled unlawfully into or from the United States.
(d) Effective Date.--This section and the amendments made by this
section shall apply with respect to conduct engaged in after the 90-day
period that begins with the date of the enactment of this Act.
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bigfelipe said:
I disagree. If this is the official wording of the new law it absolutely should cause fear.

“To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and for other purposes.”

That's a broad brush and too open to interpretation... A lib judge/DA could easily make any of us a criminal on a whim with that...
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Simply putting a lower spring rate on the trigger would qualify. A competition trigger would qualify. Does having a really fast finger qualify?
 
I like BOTH of those. To be recirculated forthwith.
 
I took my own advice and responded to this on Popvox. So far it has had over 1,200 responses from all over the nation, 100% of which is AGAINST this proposal.
 
1200 is a sick number for as many gun owners as we have in America


GET OFF YOUR LAZY REARENDS AND MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD WAKEUP AMERICA!!!
 
Darkhorse said:
1200 is a sick number for as many gun owners as we have in America
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I honestly do wonder how many people know of Popvox. I read about it several years ago and back then it was explained as being a resource the congress critters actually do pay attention to, but I'm not sure why.
 
After thought it could be a site that gathers info on us gun lovers so they can come and take us away. LOL
 
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