Reported shooting at ProShots range

Its probably what Mike said...but honestly knowing how loony the left has been lately, the thought of a disgruntled leftist angry that Ted Budd won reelection did cross my mind.

(For those that don't know, Ted owns ProShots)
 
B00ger said:
Its probably what Mike said...but honestly knowing how loony the left has been lately, the thought of a disgruntled leftist angry that Ted Budd won reelection did cross my mind.

(For those that don't know, Ted owns ProShots)
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In good news, I wager that if that’s the case Cody, Paul & the others will drop the aforementioned leftists like a bag of hammers...
 
B00ger said:
Its probably what Mike said...but honestly knowing how loony the left has been lately, the thought of a disgruntled leftist angry that Ted Budd won reelection did cross my mind.

(For those that don't know, Ted owns ProShots)
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I had no idea. The people in his office knocked themselves out to arrange inside tours in DC.
 
2 suicides in Horry in the last 10? years. Thanks goodness they left notes. One range has closed. The other not yet.
 
and this is why I am building a home range at this moment.....we already had an oops at a local range a few years back where a buddy shot his other buddies' leg. No thanks. I take my family, my very close friends that I trust and maybe one or two new shooters that I evaluate heavily. Then they can be my friends :D
 
This aggravated me as I had a new girl I was going to take there, but she heard about this and now doesn’t want to go. :(

I have a home range, but prefer to not invite women back to my house until after I know they aren’t setting me up for robbery. Especially when they are so hot, it makes me suspicious that they are with me. :Do_O
 
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
 
I'd be far more concerned with getting elevated blood lead levels from all the primers at an indoor range. It does happen and I personally know one employee at ProShots with that very issue. I only go if I absolutely don't have any opportunity to get some trigger time in outside.
 
JimB said:
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
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OMG, BAM......JUST BAM....WOW I was going to bring up that same point. I mean, I'm armed and I'm an idiot and I might just be right next to you right now. You don't know.
 
JimB said:
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
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This was my thoughts too.

So we are pro 2nd but everyone at the range needs to be vetted for mental problems or bad day at work problems??? Easier to say "Let's not let folks have guns, we can all be safer that way!"
 
JimB said:
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
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I don't think the issue is with people owning, or even carrying a firearm around you. It is the specific context of the situation that indoor ranges lend themselves to. Its the fact that at an indoor gun range anyone can walk in, rent a pistol, and START SHOOTING. I don't care about people out in public because if they are being responsible and keeping it holstered or hidden then they are no threat. It is the close proximity to those in bays next to you as well. The margin for error gets reduced greatly when you are both blocked from seeing what those around you are doing, and when they are shooting a matter of feet from you.

I shoot at indoor ranges once in a while, and I am not "scared" of them. But I think drawing a parallel between a place that specifically lends itself to inexperienced shooters, gun rentals, close proximity, and a forced lack of line of site with gun owners going about their day to day lives with their guns holstered and hidden is dishonest. Heck, even sanctioned shooting matches have strict rules on who can and cant be handling a firearm, where they can handle it, and when ammunition can even be around. Calling out safety violations there does not mean someone is uncomfortable with people owning or even carrying guns.
 
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JimB said:
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
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For me it's a matter of being unsure of your competence with a firearm that concerns me. I'll take almost anyone shooting but for the first little while I'm not going to be in a position for you to hurt me. Until you have demonstrated your competence and knowledge of safe handling that I'll relax and have a good time. Sometimes this takes a few minutes, sometimes slightly longer ans then there have been a couple of occasions where the session was cut short because I just got a call that I need to go handle, sorry for the short day....
 
B00ger said:
I don't think the issue is with people owning, or even carrying a firearm around you. It is the specific context of the situation that indoor ranges lend themselves to. Its the fact that at an indoor gun range anyone can walk in, rent a pistol, and START SHOOTING. I don't care about people out in public because if they are being responsible and keeping it holstered or hidden then they are no threat. It is the close proximity to those in bays next to you as well. The margin for error gets reduced greatly when you are both blocked from seeing what those around you are doing, and when they are shooting a matter of feet from you.

I shoot at indoor ranges once in a while, and I am not "scared" of them. But I think drawing a parallel between a place that specifically lends itself to inexperienced shooters, gun rentals, close proximity, and a forced lack of line of site with gun owners going about their day to day lives with their guns holstered and hidden is dishonest. Heck, even sanctioned shooting matches have strict rules on who can and cant be handling a firearm, where they can handle it, and when ammunition can even be around. Calling out safety violations there does not mean someone is uncomfortable with people owning or even carrying guns.
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Bailey Boat said:
For me it's a matter of being unsure of your competence with a firearm that concerns me. I'll take almost anyone shooting but for the first little while I'm not going to be in a position for you to hurt me. Until you have demonstrated your competence and knowledge of safe handling that I'll relax and have a good time. Sometimes this takes a few minutes, sometimes slightly longer ans then there have been a couple of occasions where the session was cut short because I just got a call that I need to go handle, sorry for the short day....
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Thanks, I accept that the difference is that people are not just owning or even carrying, but shooting. Out in the real world, shooting is a cause for action, a clear indication that something is wrong, that there is danger. At a range you have to turn that off, so you're blind to some deadly risk. It isn't that we're generally afraid of the untrained or even unstable folks that might get access to a gun, it's that we won't have an opportunity to react to such a person shooting because in that environment shooting is normal. I still think that statistically the risk is far smaller than it appears, but thanks for helping me think through the 2A issue.
 
Bailey Boat said:
For me it's a matter of being unsure of your competence with a firearm that concerns me. I'll take almost anyone shooting but for the first little while I'm not going to be in a position for you to hurt me. Until you have demonstrated your competence and knowledge of safe handling that I'll relax and have a good time. Sometimes this takes a few minutes, sometimes slightly longer ans then there have been a couple of occasions where the session was cut short because I just got a call that I need to go handle, sorry for the short day....
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I completely agree. The difference some people miss is the "actively shooting" part. I could care less if someone who has never touched a firearm is next to me with it concealed in a holster. As soon as its drawn <then> it becomes a concern.
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Thanks, I accept that the difference is that people are not just owning or even carrying, but shooting. Out in the real world, shooting is a cause for action, a clear indication that something is wrong, that there is danger. At a range you have to turn that off, so you're blind to some deadly risk. It isn't that we're generally afraid of the untrained or even unstable folks that might get access to a gun, it's that we won't have an opportunity to react to such a person shooting because in that environment shooting is normal. I still think that statistically the risk is far smaller than it appears, but thanks for helping me think through the 2A issue.
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Awesome, my point exactly and well spoken!
 
I don't mind being at a range with other folks. I don't like indoor ranges because of the excessive noise. I much prefer to shoot outdoors.

I'm a little wary of ranges that will rent out guns to people that show up alone, with no firearms of their own and haven't had any training at all. From what I've heard, that's usually where the suicides happen.
 
JimB said:
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
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YES I AM. sort of.

and I totally get what you are saying but...

YES. Just being around them is not a problem but when the guns come out it's time to go.

Go ahead and call me a liberal but I don't like having total strangers point guns at me. They're so clueless most of them don't even know they did it, but I got tired of rolling those dice and joined a private club with rules and stuff.
 
Catfish said:
YES I AM. sort of.

and I totally get what you are saying but...

YES. Just being around them is not a problem but when the guns come out it's time to go.

Go ahead and call me a liberal but I don't like having total strangers point guns at me. They're so clueless most of them don't even know they did it, but I got tired of rolling those dice and joined a private club with rules and stuff.
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Read post #20, I think we’re on the same page.
 
Catfish said:
Go ahead and call me a liberal but I don't like having total strangers point guns at me. They're so clueless most of them don't even know they did it, but I got tired of rolling those dice and joined a private club with rules and stuff.
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I agree. I only let friends point guns at me. ;)
 
I admit to being more "watchful" since the Chris Kyle incident. I sleep good at night knowing that I have done the best I can to be safe and keep others around me safe. I have had to ask 1 person to leave in 15 years for a safety matter. 2 more for personal reasons.
I have not been in a situation in a fairly long time where I felt uncomfortable amongst gun handlers. BUT I must answer honestly that people I don't know in places that are out of my normal field of operation, get a lot of quiet Attention from me.
I was once described by a local gun shop owner as "painfully honest". Some of our regulars have had whispered conversation with me. We Both feel better afterward.
 
I really have no choice unless I want to drive about an hour at least. That's what Google maps tell me every time I get directions to an outdoor facility that I hear about. So it's a rare opportunity for me for personal reasons, I don't want to be several hours away from home most of the time.

I am fortunate that I can for the time being pick and choose when I can hit the indoor range. The last time I said to heck with it and went at what I call "Groupon Time", I had my target at about .5 yd to count holes and the guy next to me ND'd in to my target. I just packed up and left. I only usually go early in the day after they open and avoid Sat. afternoon and evening, Sun. afternoons and Friday evenings. I'm not banging on newbies, everybody has to have a first time, and unfortunately they don't always have an experienced coach. I just choose to avoid being around when I can unless they're my noobs and can watch like a hawk.
 
Wow, my sister-in-law lives right up the road at Hawthorne at the Hall apartments. I've been in there but never shot there.
 
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TripleO7 said:
I really have no choice unless I want to drive about an hour at least. That's what Google maps tell me every time I get directions to an outdoor facility that I hear about. So it's a rare opportunity for me for personal reasons, I don't want to be several hours away from home most of the time.

I am fortunate that I can for the time being pick and choose when I can hit the indoor range. The last time I said to heck with it and went at what I call "Groupon Time", I had my target at about .5 yd to count holes and the guy next to me ND'd in to my target. I just packed up and left. I only usually go early in the day after they open and avoid Sat. afternoon and evening, Sun. afternoons and Friday evenings. I'm not banging on newbies, everybody has to have a first time, and unfortunately they don't always have an experienced coach. I just choose to avoid being around when I can unless they're my noobs and can watch like a hawk.
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Luckily for me, I can get in my range at 9 and 90% of the time I can have the place to myself and get in my little bubble and have fun. By 10 people start to show up, but by then I'm done and gone!

Even on lesson days, we might not have many people in there with us. (Now one Saturday I went, and never again, it was crazy!)
There's always somebody watching the shooters in there.
 
Bailey Boat said:
For me it's a matter of being unsure of your competence with a firearm that concerns me. I'll take almost anyone shooting but for the first little while I'm not going to be in a position for you to hurt me. Until you have demonstrated your competence and knowledge of safe handling that I'll relax and have a good time. Sometimes this takes a few minutes, sometimes slightly longer ans then there have been a couple of occasions where the session was cut short because I just got a call that I need to go handle, sorry for the short day....
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Dang! So that whole appointment to get your blinker fluid was a lie? ;)
 
MadMan4Ever said:
Tell her to be careful about the Chinese place next door, I kept finding hairs in my food. :confused:
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“Kept” implies you found some hair once and said, “meh....I like me some General Tso’s, so screw it”

I would not be that guy.
 
JimB said:
So for the guys that don’t go to indoor or public ranges out of concern for your safety, is it fair to say that you’re afraid of being around people with guns that you don’t know or don’t know their level of competence with a firearm?

I think that’s the message we hear from the far left, so just checking.

Statistically I think indoor and public ranges are quite safe. Haven’t done the math, but basically it seems that there are a few incidents that get media attention and that drives emotion.
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Bad comparison. Huge difference between being apprehensive around people you don't know and wanting to take their firearms away because of it.

Edit: As a note though, regarding indoor ranges. My problem personally is in relation to air quality....Not knowing how good it is. Years ago I was a member at an indoor range near me. Was at the range generally 2-4 times a week. Unbeknownst to anyone, the owners didn't properly maintain the air handler and filter systems. When they went belly up over bad money decisions, the non-owner manager wasn't feeling well and went to the doctor. He had to be hospitalized to have the lead leeched from his system. I went after hearing about it and found my lead level elevated but not critical. Heavy metals in your brain aren't helpful to your overall health.
 
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I'd rather pound my nuts flat with a meat tenderizer than go to an indoor range with a bunch of dipshit newbs. The things I have seen can not be unseen.
 
I shoot regularly at Proshots. It is well run. Most of the time it is not crowded. There is a camera on every lane, and I have seen the staff kick out people who are not being safe. I also saw them flunk someone on the range portion of the CHP test; the person easily passed the accuracy criterion, but they were flunked for not following the four rules.

I would love to have my own range or nearby friends who do and are generous. However, neither is the case. I am grateful for a place to shoot that is close and well run.

We should appreciate places like Proshots that are "new shooter" friendly. And by that, I do not mean that they have low standards. What I mean is that they make newbies feel welcome, train them in safety and marksmanship, all without making them feel like idiots for not having shot rimfires before being toilet trained. If we are going to grow the community, it will take places like Proshots.

Finally, the only way to prevent incidents like this one is to not rent guns to new shooters. Want to lose the 2A? Make it impossible for newbies to rent guns.
 
Don't dis' all indoor ranges. I work for an indoor range and the only EMS call was for one of our RO's who slipped on the floor and ended up with a concussion.

All new members must complete a safety class which includes a written test (not a 10 min. video). First range visits are indicated to RO's to make sure all rules are followed. There are four 8 lane ranges with an assigned RO per range and a CRSO overseeing all (on the range, not watching from afar). AND...We do not rent guns!

This is a double-edged sword for us. Some say we are TOO vigilent and members feel intimidated. Oh well...
 
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