Safety on a glock

Does not help when you are AIWB holstering and your shirt-tail gets into the triggerguard.

Just saying "be more careful" is cute, but poor consolation to the guy bleeding out.

That's a scenario where the gadget @df0101 posted would be helpful. Or a manual safety.
That's why YOU have to make sure when holstering, you look and make sure the shirt tail does not get caught. I've been carrying AIWB for almost 10 years, and never tuck in my shirt. I take my time when re-holstering, and look every, single, time I do it. Tons of people do it every day.

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Just my opinion on Glocks: they are part of a 2-part system. The Glock and the good Holster. Hot gun in sturdy smart holster, and the a little training to use it. Simple.

None of the "safety" gimmicks listed in this thread, nor any device or gun available, is going to prevent someone from pointing a loaded gun at you and pulling the trigger.


I have found the holy grail of dumb gun parts:
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what about a heavier trigger like kahrs do with the nytrigger? That is around 8 lbs or something
I had a Kahr 380.
5lbs.
Just felt heavier because the pull is soooo long, but it's smooth.
 
Besides....... Glocks are crappy guns. Why stick with them?

Ladies, and Germs, it's FRIDAY NIGHT!!!

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I had a Kahr 380.
5lbs.
Just felt heavier because the pull is soooo long, but it's smooth.

Yea i had a few kahrs too, very smooth, but i thought they offered a special model with a heavier trigger. It was called nypd i believe
 
Does not help when you are AIWB holstering and your shirt-tail gets into the triggerguard.

Please explain how your shirttail gets into the trigger guard after your weapon is holstered.

Did you even read my post, or did you just home in on the part that triggered yours? (No pun intended)

To wit:

Once the (1911) is safely snuggled into the holster, you can disengage the safety. The point being that the thumb safety on a 1911 neither locks nor blocks the hammer.

And if your shorttail does by some freak chance get into the trigger guard while drawing said sidearm, the gun would be going in the wrong direction for the shirttail to pull the trigger.

Just saying "be more careful" is cute, but

I can assure you that I'm not being facetious or trying to be cute.

That advice is always in play...assumed or verbalized, because...

Is gun. Gun not safe.
 
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I still think Glock’s “safety” being attached to the front of the trigger is a poor design.

So do I...and it is a poor design.

And Glock knows it. I think that the reason for their refusal to remedy it is that adding a safety would be a de facto admission that their pistol as designed is dangrerous, which would leave them open to ruinous lawsuits from all the Glock Legged victims.

When I handled my first Glock over 30 years ago, I looked at that trigger widget and thought: "That's gonna be a problem."

About a year later, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Department switched from revolvers to Glocks, and within a month the training officer shot himself through the leg while holstering his...during a class.
 
So do I...and it is a poor design.

And Glock knows it. I think that the reason for their refusal to remedy it is that adding a safety would be a de facto admission that their pistol as designed is dangrerous, which would leave them open to ruinous lawsuits from all the Glock Legged victims.

When I handled my first Glock over 30 years ago, I looked at that trigger widget and thought: "That's gonna be a problem."

About a year later, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Department switched from revolvers to Glocks, and within a month the training officer shot himself through the leg while holstering his...during a class.

"Is gun, gun not safe."

The trigger widget isn't a problem at all if people don't have their finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be. Its purpose is a more as a drop safety than a "don't shoot yourself" safety. For its intended purpose, there is nothing poor about the Glock design. The trigger widget does its job exponentially more than necessary and the only thing I would change is to leave it out entirely as I don't care if a Glock will go off when I drop it from a helicopter. Granted, it doesn't make as nice of a range toy for people with poor trigger control nor does it get as much attention at a barbeque as a 1911.

The only reason we don't see 1911 mishaps to the same extent as Glock mishaps is that police departments decided many decades ago that 1911s were not "safe" enough for typical officers...hence cops carrying revolvers for roughly 70 years after the semi-auto was "perfected." So cops haven't been toting 1911s around to classes or cleaning them in the same numbers as Glocks. I wouldn't use most sheriff departments as a gauge of anything regarding handgun design, training, or safety now...much less in the 80s/90s.
 
"Is gun, gun not safe."

The trigger widget isn't a problem at all if people don't have their finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be. Its purpose is a more as a drop safety than a "don't shoot yourself" safety. For its intended purpose, there is nothing poor about the Glock design. The trigger widget does its job exponentially more than necessary and the only thing I would change is to leave it out entirely as I don't care if a Glock will go off when I drop it from a helicopter. Granted, it doesn't make as nice of a range toy for people with poor trigger control nor does it get as much attention at a barbeque as a 1911.

The only reason we don't see 1911 mishaps to the same extent as Glock mishaps is that police departments decided many decades ago that 1911s were not "safe" enough for typical officers...hence cops carrying revolvers for roughly 70 years after the semi-auto was "perfected." So cops haven't been toting 1911s around to classes or cleaning them in the same numbers as Glocks. I wouldn't use most sheriff departments as a gauge of anything regarding handgun design, training, or safety now...much less in the 80s/90s.
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Man, I'm totally confused. Did OP get shot by a Glock?

I thought it was a gun with a safety?
He did and because of that wants a safety for his glock. I'm not going to rag on his reasoning as I've never been shot. My reasoning would differ though. Especially if it was someone else that shot me.

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He did and because of that wants a safety for his glock. I'm not going to rag on his reasoning as I've never been shot. My reasoning would differ though. Especially if it was someone else that shot me.

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Indeed.
 
Coming from an avid Glock fan, the best advice I can give is to sell the Glock 19 and get a Gen 2 M&P compact with a thumb safety, the M&P Gen 2 guns are fine handguns and the transition from a Glock would be seamless imo.

As others have said, putting aftermarket gizmos on a range toy or competition is a non issue but personally, I would never trust my life to a modified firearm unless I had no other choice, my carry guns stay stock with off the shelf Glock parts except for sights, you can still “upgrade” Glocks with factory parts.
 
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Y'all in here acting like he is wanting to draw a mustache on The Mona Lisa. An aftermarket safety ain't going to ruin a Glock any more than the grip angle and "trigger" they put on it at the factory.

OP, if you can find a reputable gunsmith that is okay doing it, go for it. If you can't, just go for one of the other plastic guns that do have a safety.
 
Ya you're completely right. Its probably just me being spooked im just scared of putting a loaded firearm with only a trigger safety on it

Understandable.

What irritates me about the Glock fanbois is their blind insistence that this is a safety feature which automatically keeps the gun from going off until you put your finger on the trigger. They are just as irritating as the 1911 fanbois who insist cocked and locked "is the way JMB intended the 1911 to be carried". (Hint: No, it's not.)

This blind insistence is not true, and there are innumerable instances which have lead to the term "Glock Leg" as a testimony.

The "trigger safety" is primarily a drop-safe mechanism, which prevents the trigger from actuating the operational firing sequence of events if the weapon is dropped.

That added bit of "...if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn't a direct firing pull" is horse pucky. Anything which gets into the trigger guard may cause the trigger to operate if it contacts the trigger in a similar fashion as a finger...and trigger guards are phenomenally designed to facilitate exactly that.

Your concern is a valid one, whether everybody agrees or not. If only for personal preference and not any incident with respect to the ND you described.

I ran across this article, which references a company called "Ten Ring Precision", which (at the time of the article) would install one of these safeties for $138 (parts and labor included). I'm sure there are plenty of other places, as well.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/11/02/a-closer-look-at-the-glock-thumb-safety/
 
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The trigger widget isn't a problem at all if people don't have their finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be.

We know, but that isn't the only thing that presents a problem. There have been incidences of shirt tails and wind breaker draw strings getting tangled up with the guns and firing them as they were holstered, most often when the piece is being holstered in a hurry, hence the standing advice to be careful. If I carried a Glock, I'd get into the habit of placing my finger behind the trigger going into the holster so that if it met with any resistaance, it would call my attention to it.

The "trigger safety" is primarily a drop-safe mechanism, which prevents the trigger from actuating the operational firing sequence of events if the weapon is dropped.

That's exactly what it is. It performs the same function as the grip safety on 1911s and other designs with grip safeties.


They are just as irritating as the 1911 fanbois who insist cocked and locked "is the way JMB intended the 1911 to be carried". (Hint: No, it's not.)

Correct again. JMB had no such intent, nor did anyone else until Jeff Cooper came along and showed us that it CAN be carried cocked and locked, and probably should be if the gun is carried with the possibility of immediate need.

Don't get me wrong. The Glock is a good, solid pistol with a proven track record for reliability and durability. If it hadn't been, it would've gone the way of the Chau Chat...but the lack of a manual safety is somewhat of a problem...and one that they can't afford to correct.

The only reason we don't see 1911 mishaps to the same extent as Glock mishaps is that police departments decided many decades ago that 1911s were not "safe" enough for typical officers

The reason that they decided that 1911s weren't suitable was in large part because they gun had to be cocked for immediate use, and the sight of a cocked sidearm in a holster gave'em the willies. Simply put, they didn't believe and couldn't be convinced that the pistol wouldn't just "go off" sitting untouched in a holster. A lot of it was mostly because an officer under stress could conceivably touch off a round while holding a suspect at gunpoint. The rest was because...under stress...an officer might forget or fumble with the safety. On that, they were correct.
 
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We know, but that isn't the only thing that presents a problem. There have been incidences of shirt tails and wind breaker draw strings getting tangled up with the guns and firing them as they were holstered, most often when the piece is being holstered in a hurry, hence the standing advice to be careful. If I carried a Glock, I'd get into the habit of placing my finger behind the trigger going into the holster so that if it met with any resistaance, it would call my attention to it.

The Glock is a good, solid pistol with a proven track record for reliability and durability. If it hadn't been, it would've gone the way of the Chau Chat...but the lack of a manual safety is somewhat of a problem...and one that they can't afford to correct.

We know that too but that isn't exclusively a Glock problem. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone qualified who would agree having your fingers near the trigger when holstering is a good habit to get into.

Safeties are a crutch that can lead to problems of their own. Not holstering in a hurry to the point of being unsafe is the answer.
 
Man, watching people quickly no-look jamming Glocks into holsters makes me cringe. Same with DA revolvers.
Not difficult to make sure there are no objects in your holster before jamming your grock down in there, sheesh y'all. Watch the gun go in, while observing your finger outside the trigger guard.

This is why holsters are critical in the "system" of Grocks.


Also, who cares what JMB intended? I'd carry a 1911 the way it should be with zero concern for his intentions, as I can see how the gun works just fine on my own. Just my opinion.
 
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You'll be hard pressed to find anyone qualified who would agree having your fingers near the trigger when holstering is a good habit to get into.

And you'd be surprised at the people I've seen do just that. Funny thing, stress. It causes all sorts of short circuits in the wiring.

re a crutch that can lead to problems of their own

Well, they're not there to let us get away with being stupid. They're there for that inadvertent "brainfart" moment where we forget to do the right thing. Refer to 'funny thing stress." I think that complacency is our worst enemy. During my reckless, misspent youth, I acquired a 1970 900 cc Harley Sportster. I remember my father's advice.

"When you reach the point that you're not afraid of it...it's time to get rid of it."

And he was spot on.


Not holstering in a hurry to the point of being unsafe is the answer.

In a perfect world, we'd always take our time and we'd all strictly observe safety protocols and we'd never drop our guns.

In a perfect world.
 
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Spoke to a person This past week end about holstering a gun with a 2 pound trigger without First engaging the safety.
They took it well and I didn't see them do it again. It's all in the approach...here the penalty is ....the Gate.
 
Spoke to a person This past week end about holstering a gun with a 2 pound trigger without First engaging the safety.
They took it well and I didn't see them do it again. It's all in the approach...here the penalty is ....the Gate.

2lb handgun triggers might make for a good Friday night topic, have we had this one lately? Let's consult @fieldgrade.

During my reckless, misspent youth, I acquired a 1970 900 cc Harley Sportster. I remember my father's advice.

"When you reach the point that you're not afraid of it...it's time to get rid of it."

And he was spot on.

I admit I should have listened to all of the motorcycle advice I got back when I rolled in on the first one. At least we are still alive enough to know we learned something John!
 
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My old man gave away his motorcycle at age 64 after falling off of it. He had bought it from me 20 years earlier.

What did I do at the same age? Bought another new one.

Some of us are slow learners. I do wear a helmet now, so there’s that.
 
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I've had about 25 motorcycles in my riding life. When Ronnie Sue got to where she couldn't ride any more I soon sold the last one. Really started weighing the Risk-Reward thing. I don't heal like I used to. But for over a half century I tried to wear out a bunch of them.
 
It looks like this one is windin' down.

For the record, I don't trust any manual safety device completely. Never have. They're not fool-proof an they're not fail safe, and they're not a guarantee. There are no guarantees in life save death and taxes.

What they do is increase the chances that we'll escape a brainfart moment...ours or somebody else's...unscathed. Like a seatbelt. You can be killed in an accident while wearing one, but we still buckle up because it stacks the odds in our favor.

For the hunters among us...

Who would load the chamber on a rifle or shotgun and go tramping through the woods without the safety engaged? The safety is between your ears...right?

Nobody I know would do that, and nobody I know would hunt alongside anyone who did.

Because, like the man said...

Shit happens.
 
I believe it was NKD who mentioned above that a vital part in the safe carrying of a firearm is the holster itself. For me personally, I consider the "holster" to be the most important safety device I have other than my frame of mind and training. A solid holster with good retention, worn on a quality belt that prevents sagging and movement, and the frame of mind to leave the pistol alone until needed are the most "fool proof" safety measures one can take. In the stories I have read of people shooting themselves (or someone else) a common theme is that the "victim" was often messing around with their pistol when they shouldnt be. Fiddling around with it sitting in the car, showing it off to friends, or in some way shape or form messing with it when neither in the act of using it for its intended purpose.

And as a personal aside, not being law enforcement or military, I can see very few reasons I would ever need to be in a hurry to holster a firearm, which is where most of these accidents seem to also take place. So taking the extra 5 seconds to visually guide a firearm into a holster really is not a big deal.

I think there is a level of false equivalency in comparing a defensive firearm that is carried secure in a holster with its trigger completely covered to a hunting rifle/shotgun that is being actively carried through brush and wilderness while its trigger is completely exposed and the gun unsecured in the hands of a hunter.
 
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In the stories I have read of people shooting themselves (or someone else) a common theme is that the "victim" was often messing around with their pistol when they shouldnt be. Fiddling around with it sitting in the car, showing it off to friends, or in some way shape or form messing with it when neither in the act of using it for its intended purpose.

Yep. A loaded, holstered pistol should remain in the holster unless it's needed or to clear it on returning home.

So, stop touching it. No, really. Leave it alone.

I can see very few reasons I would ever need to be in a hurry to holster a firearm, which is where most of these accidents seem to also take place.

Nor do I, and in a perfect world...

I think there is a level of false equivalency in comparing a defensive firearm that is carried secure in a holster with its trigger completely covered

You missed the point.

The two most likely times to have the day go sideways is when holstering or drawing...with holstering being the more risky of the two...when the gun ISN'T secured in a holster with the trigger guard completely covered. Once it's IN the holster, the safety is moot. Once you're in the deer stand, the safety can be disengaged.

The US Cavalry requested a manual safety on the 1911 so it could be holstered safely when it was cocked...not for carrying it.
 
Yep. A loaded, holstered pistol should remain in the holster unless it's needed or to clear it on returning home.

So, stop touching it. No, really. Leave it alone.



Nor do I, and in a perfect world...



You missed the point.

The two most likely times to have the day go sideways is when holstering or drawing...with holstering being the more risky of the two...when the gun ISN'T secured in a holster with the trigger guard completely covered. Once it's IN the holster, the safety is moot. Once you're in the deer stand, the safety can be disengaged.

The US Cavalry requested a manual safety on the 1911 so it could be holstered safely when it was cocked...not for carrying it.

I don’t think I missed anything. Have a good evening.


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I don’t think I missed anything.

I was referring to your claim of false correlation between a hunting rifle/shotgun and a carried sidearm.

Assuming that all is good mechanically, guns don't become unsafe until we have them in our hands. That's when the fun starts.


People who don’t feel they can be safe with Glocks should avoid them.

Everybody who carries one "feels" safe with them, else they wouldn't carry them. Feeling safe and actually being safe are sometimes very far apart.

A relatively light, short trigger dictates that one must be very careful when slipping the piece into a holster. One should really take that that five seconds to insure that nothing got tangled up in the trigger guard, and in a perfect world...

How careful would we be holstering a cocked 1911 or High Power with the safety in the go-bang position?

Unfortunately, people are human and sometimes human beings don't always do exactly as they should. They get complacent. They have brainfarts. They forget. Sometimes stress plays a part. Sometimes it's just because they had beans for supper. Everybody has done things that caused them to ponder: "That could have gone real wrong. What the hell was I thinking?" afterwards.

Those are the moments that manual safeties were intended for. I think of them as a backup plan.
 
I was referring to your claim of false correlation between a hunting rifle/shotgun and a carried sidearm.

Assuming that all is good mechanically, guns don't become unsafe until we have them in our hands. That's when the fun starts.




Everybody who carries one "feels" safe with them, else they wouldn't carry them. Feeling safe and actually being safe are sometimes very far apart.

A relatively light, short trigger dictates that one must be very careful when slipping the piece into a holster. One should really take that that five seconds to insure that nothing got tangled up in the trigger guard, and in a perfect world...

How careful would we be holstering a cocked 1911 or High Power with the safety in the go-bang position?

Unfortunately, people are human and sometimes human beings don't always do exactly as they should. They get complacent. They have brainfarts. They forget. Sometimes stress plays a part. Sometimes it's just because they had beans for supper. Everybody has done things that caused them to ponder: "That could have gone real wrong. What the hell was I thinking?" afterwards.

Those are the moments that manual safeties were intended for. I think of them as a backup plan.

I know you were.


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I was referring to your claim of false correlation between a hunting rifle/shotgun and a carried sidearm.

Assuming that all is good mechanically, guns don't become unsafe until we have them in our hands. That's when the fun starts.




Everybody who carries one "feels" safe with them, else they wouldn't carry them. Feeling safe and actually being safe are sometimes very far apart.

A relatively light, short trigger dictates that one must be very careful when slipping the piece into a holster. One should really take that that five seconds to insure that nothing got tangled up in the trigger guard, and in a perfect world...

How careful would we be holstering a cocked 1911 or High Power with the safety in the go-bang position?

Unfortunately, people are human and sometimes human beings don't always do exactly as they should. They get complacent. They have brainfarts. They forget. Sometimes stress plays a part. Sometimes it's just because they had beans for supper. Everybody has done things that caused them to ponder: "That could have gone real wrong. What the hell was I thinking?" afterwards.

Those are the moments that manual safeties were intended for. I think of them as a backup plan.


Yeah, I know what safeties are for, thanks.

Do you avoid DA revolvers, too?
 
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