Saying the quiet part out loud

To me, this is a false dichotomy, though I do see this as the basic premise of Christianity, which I have also come to understand originated with a sect of Judaism and can be categorized as Judaism for the Gentiles. Coming from (largely) Northern European ancestry the idea of worshiping a different people's middle eastern god seems, foreign and I don't understand the appeal.

One thing that the church has done is help build the community. It is this sense of community that is really lacking in society today, and I think it has largely been replaced by government. I know non Christian people who attend church only for the purpose of helping to build and be a part of the community.

Given that I am Christian and that half my genetics are from Finland and Norway (with about a quarter more from Germany and England/Scotland), I am not sure what the issue is between where one is from and being Christian.

Community is important, but there are a lot of ways to get community aside from meeting in a box once a week. There are a lot of tribes, faith and religion is just one.
 
To me, this is a false dichotomy, though I do see this as the basic premise of Christianity, which I have also come to understand originated with a sect of Judaism and can be categorized as Judaism for the Gentiles. Coming from (largely) Northern European ancestry the idea of worshiping a different people's middle eastern god seems, foreign and I don't understand the appeal.

Your comment also reminds me of the comment by @tanstaafl72555 where he says

My relationship with god is not like this, it is not one of submission or supplication and the idea of it being that way, to me, is sad. Here is a quote from BC Neanderthal Mindset that is much more in line with my view

I find, rather than simultaneously being some grandiose cosmic force that I can neither understand that at the same time manipulates every move of my destiny that its much more like the comment above, extending a hand in friendship.

One thing that the church has done is help build the community. It is this sense of community that is really lacking in society today, and I think it has largely been replaced by government. I know non Christian people who attend church only for the purpose of helping to build and be a part of the community. I think this is very important, especially in smaller communities, as we approach what are I suspect will be the end times for Empire USA as we know it.

I also think that the concepts of morality derive from first the concept of family and then the extended community. I do not believe they originate with the word of a vengeful deity.

Odd given the norse concept of fate/the norn godesses. You're fate is mostly decided/woven by the norns, how does this differ much from the Christian viewpoint?
 
Given that I am Christian and that half my genetics are from Finland and Norway (with about a quarter more from Germany and England/Scotland), I am not sure what the issue is between where one is from and being Christian.
Peoples across the globe have different cultures, traditions, and religions. One can choose to embrace their cultural heritage or to embrace a different one. For example, you could decide that Buddhism is right for you, though neither you, nor your ancestors are from northern India. Similarly, I was born in Ohio in land that until a few hundred years ago was occupied by those we call native Americans, yet their religious culture doesn't not resonate with me like that of my ancestors and their homeland; which simply feels much more natural.
Community is important, but there are a lot of ways to get community aside from meeting in a box once a week. There are a lot of tribes, faith and religion is just one.
True. What holds a society together, or not, is the shared culture. Religion just happens to be a common and powerful connection for many.
Odd given the norse concept of fate/the norn godesses. You're fate is mostly decided/woven by the norns, how does this differ much from the Christian viewpoint?
Undoubtedly there are similarities and differences. The conquest of the pagans changed Christianity as much as it changed paganism. In the case of the Norns, there are likewise similarities and differences. One of the differences is that they are not gods (goddesses since they're female) while a similarity is that they weave the threads of fate, not just of the individual, but the society as a whole and a centralized belief arose from their concept that if one is dealt a bad hand in life that they should "suck it up, buttercup". Though similar, it is different than the idea of a omniscient deity directly guiding your life.
 
Truth is, we don't know how it will play out. We don't know who will actually fight, despite claims, posturing and what we may believe about ourselves. And we don't know who will betray us when the chips fall and we are to be counted. I just pray that I will have enough resourses, skill and ability to keep the family safe and fed and that I will be able to decern when the time is right to do whatever I need to do and make the right decisions.
 
Self-censored... decided NOT to say MY quiet part out loud. Posted empty to follow the discussion but nothing to say for public consumption at this point.
You can just hit the watch button at the top to do the same thing.
 
Truth is, we don't know how it will play out. We don't know who will actually fight, despite claims, posturing and what we may believe about ourselves. And we don't know who will betray us when the chips fall and we are to be counted. I just pray that I will have enough resourses, skill and ability to keep the family safe and fed and that I will be able to decern when the time is right to do whatever I need to do and make the right decisions.
No, we don't. I read a blog recently that brought up the following. There was an expression from JRR Martin's Game of Thrones that was used frequently, "The North remembers". While most of us here in the US don't have the memories of long terms animosity and atrocities, say for example the people of the Balkans do / did, I think there are still a lot of people who "remember" wrongs, especially on the part of govt., and would be more than willing to take advantage of a break down in the "rule of law".
 
Just a side note, if those men still existed, why have they allowed the tyrants to run roughshod over this country.
Where is the tar and feathers, where are the ropes and tall oak trees.

People just don’t have what the founding fathers had. Sad but true.
 
Just a side note, if those men still existed, why have they allowed the tyrants to run roughshod over this country.
Where is the tar and feathers, where are the ropes and tall oak trees.

People just don’t have what the founding fathers had. Sad but true.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say folks, in this day and time, “don’t have it” nor do I believe if .gov declared most of the BOR null/void, that everyone would just roll over on their backs and say, “Oh, well…that’s just the way it is now”.

In the DOI, even Jefferson wrote, “…governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed”, so apprehension and hesistancy are nothing new.

I do believe there are some stark differences between then and now and those differences play a huge role in, “Why hasn’t anyone done something?”

First, most folks are in their comfort zone. They think, “I’m able to pay my bills, keep food on the table, a roof overhead and take care of my family…all is good”. That’s not to say I believe it, though. All is not good and it goes a hell of a lot deeper than just “Democrat” vs “Republican”. Those days are long gone and now, it’s more “good” vs “evil”. People may be mentally uncomfortable, but when a majority get physically uncomfortable, that’s when you will start to see gears turning…and when I say “physically uncomfortable”, I’m not just talking about going hungry.

Let’s look at the BOR and sorta go line by line with a couple examples…

I. You can still say pretty much what you want to say. I can rant on here about the filthy, lying rats we have in D.C. and no van full of goons is going to pull up in front of my house, drag me out and toss me in a cell because I called out our “elected leaders” for the POSs they are. I can get in the car with my family and there are not going to be armed thugs stopping us from going into the church house on Sunday.

II. I can go into a gun shop, fill out a form, pass a check and walk out with a weapon. Is that liberty? Nope and it should not be that way, but it doesn’t change the fact that I walked out with a weapon and/or ammo in my possession. I don’t enjoy paying a tax, filling out a form and having to be “approved” to own a SBR or a suppressor. Yeah…it’s not liberty and yeah, I have to jump through hoops, but I can still possess those items.

Being “comfortable” will make a people more longsuffering than they would be, were there extreme “physical” discomforts involved.

Second, we, as a citizenry, haven’t had to pick up arms and kill/be killed for our individual liberty. Doing so would give that liberty a different “flavor” and a higher value would be placed upon it. We’d be more inclined to “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty and suspect anyone who approached that jewel”.

Third, “doing something” is a decision that is terminal…it’s the Rubicon and once you cross it, there’s no “take-backs” or “do-overs”. Also, there are no “guarantees”. What you end up with may be far worse that what you had in the beginning.

Do we still have “it”? I believe so, but you really have no idea what you are made of until you are put into a situation that requires absolutely everything you have…mentally, physically or even spiritually.

Like the old saying goes, “Time’ll tell”.
 
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Time will tell for sure.

Maybe it’s age related but things have changed so much since I was a kid.

They have choked down on our freedoms so much we are truly not “free” any longer.
Just ask the people at the January 6th rally if prison is freedom. Just ask the former President or his lawyers or his confidants if being arrested is freedom.
Ask the whistleblower with info on the Biden crime family if being arrested for speaking the truth is freedom.
Ask the people who were silenced on social media with prompts from the DOJ or the FBI, if that was freedom.
Ask yourself if the flood in the southern border or the destruction on the country is freedom.

How bad does it need to get for people to take a stand?

I guess people nowadays think all this is normal. Especially the the younger ones that have never known any different.

Heck it’s all speculation, only God knows what is going to happen.
 
They have choked down on our freedoms so much we are truly not “free” any longer.

I guess people nowadays think all this is normal. Especially the the younger ones that have never known any different.
Highlighting this one. Not only do "they" find it normal, they actively desire it. They're out there spewing the idea that govt. has a DUTY to suppress "misinformation".
 
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In the DOI, even Jefferson wrote, “…
How DARE you quote a slave owner as a way to run this country? I. AM. OFFENDED.
He was a terrible person and we need to ban all of his writings that we don't like.

Highlighting this one. Not only do "they" find it normal, they actively desire it. They're out there spewing the idea that govt. has a DUTY to suppress "misinformation".
well yeah... you don't think we're supposed to rely on our selves, do you?
 
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