School Shooting Was Inspired By A Video Game

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Mexican officials confirmed that a sixth grade student shot teachers and students at a school in Coahuila before turning the gun on himself. One teacher and the underage gunman are confirmed dead, while six others were rushed to a local hospital.


The shooting took place on Friday morning at the Cervantes School in Torreon, Coahuila, when an 11-year-old student carried two handguns onto campus and opened fire before committing suicide, said Adelaido Flores, the regional public safety director. Torreon is in the southwestern part of Coahuila, bordering the state of Durango. The weapons are described as a .40 caliber Glock and a .22 caliber pistol.


Coahuila Governor Miguel Angel Riquelme said during a televised news conference that the underage gunman was inspired by a video game and he “tried to recreate it.” The governor revealed that the 11-year-old and a 50-year-old teacher died while five students and one teacher are listed in stable condition.



Preliminary information suggests the underage shooter had good grades and no access to firearms in his home.


The attack comes almost two years after a 15-year-old shot a teacher and several students in a private school in Monterrey. In that attack, the student also turned the gun on himself. The injured teacher died days later.



https://www.breitbart.com/border/20...cher-students-in-mexican-border-state-school/
 
Are you saying video games are part of the problem? That can’t be, the government and the makers of video games say they aren’t so that’s the answer. Hollywood says that video games and action shoot em ups can’t be blamed for the way your child acts and sees the world. They would loose too much money if they were really to blame! That can’t happen.
 
Well if the Mexican government said it was inspired by video games then I am going to believe them, no reason to ever doubt such an upstanding government.


Kids been playing violent video games for decades.
Violent movies for 80 years or so
Violent music for decades

Why not admit that some kids are just crazy, stop blaming media.
Hell, how many on here watch violent movies, listen to violent music, and/or play violent video games?
 
How does a kid in Mexico get not just one but two pistols? Mexico only has one gun store and strict laws to keep the citizens disarmed. Dad a member of a cartel or something?
 
Ive never seen a video game where you kill your self after the school shooting scenarios

min both Fortnite and GTA, it is a strategy to kill yourself so you respawn at a location closer to your next objective.
 
min both Fortnite and GTA, it is a strategy to kill yourself so you respawn at a location closer to your next objective.
Isn't the entire objective of Fortnite to be the last man standing? I played with my young SIL a couple of times and if you died you lost and didnt respawn.

So again, when do we ban violent movies? This keeps coming up, and it is only because society can't possibly think it's because parents are less involved than ever in their kid's lives. People need a boogeyman to blame instead of themselves. This is why morons want gun control. If it is a people problem then it stems from a family problem.
 
There are a couple of modes in Fortnite. My son explores the map in a safe mode, and kills himself to spawn in skydiving mode instead of running to the different areas.

In Battle Royale, there is no respawning.
 
Can't tell you how many times my younger brother and I died re- enacting Custer's Last Stand as kids in the early 80's.

Or how many generations prior played any number of "violent" games, yet how many of them/us went on shooting rampages?

Blaming music, video games, movies, guns,etc., is beyond ridiculous.
 
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Well if the Mexican government said it was inspired by video games then I am going to believe them, no reason to ever doubt such an upstanding government.


Kids been playing violent video games for decades.
Violent movies for 80 years or so
Violent music for decades

Why not admit that some kids are just crazy, stop blaming media.
Hell, how many on here watch violent movies, listen to violent music, and/or play violent video games?
No violent content for me. I watch a lot of love stories. Guess that’s what makes me such a kind, gentle, lover.
 
How does a kid in Mexico get not just one but two pistols? Mexico only has one gun store and strict laws to keep the citizens disarmed. Dad a member of a cartel or something?

He probably got it during Fast & Furious when Holder and Obama were selling guns south of the border. o_O
 
I’ll go ahead and say it.
If you don’t believe that the video games kids and adult children play are not effecting their state of mind or detuning them to death, than your dumber than a boot.

no offense meant to the more offendable here.
 
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How does a kid in Mexico get not just one but two pistols? Mexico only has one gun store and strict laws to keep the citizens disarmed. Dad a member of a cartel or something?

Eric holder had the ATF send a gift basket to the cartels a number of years back
 
I’ll go ahead and say it.
If you don’t believe that the video games kids and adult children play are not effecting their state of mind or detuning them to death, than your dumber than a boot.

no offense meant to the more offendable here.

Classic Boomer. Should we revisit the detuning brought on by rock n roll?

The problem is not games or guns, at it's base the problem is a society which calls murdering your baby a "choice". It's parents who are forced to allow the government to raise their children because we can no longer survive on one income, or even better, we tell women that being a wife and mother is unfulfilling and unnatural.

Like gun grabbers you seek to blame objects rather than individuals.
 
I’ll go ahead and say it.
If you don’t believe that the video games kids and adult children play are not effecting their state of mind or detuning them to death, than your dumber than a boot.

no offense meant to the more offendable here.

Well, that's, like, youre opinion, man.
 
The Mexican government is going to spin the shooting so they can take action and sue the evil American game company with deep pockets.
 
So you are in the camp / belief that Vid games have no affect on people, apparently even children.
I’m reading this as I get annihilated in CoD btw 10 year olds on PS4.

and I call BS
the fact that this nonsense is posted on a liberty-minded website is ridiculous


Seems to be the argument in this thread is BS, makes no difference as to the content of video games.

OK, following that same logic ( unfortunately ) all that are calling BS and approve of violent video games ( all ages ) the following content should be Just Fine as well;

'Drag Queen Story Hours' Expose Pre-Schoolers to What Some Parents Call 'Gender Insanity'
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...ers-to-what-some-parents-call-gender-insanity

And;


2A is a Right, Owning /Selling Training Material That Teaches Killing People is NOT
https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...ial-that-teaches-killing-people-is-not.49031/
 
So you are in the camp / belief that Vid games have no affect on people, apparently even children.






Seems to be the argument in this thread is BS, makes no difference as to the content of video games.

OK, following that same logic ( unfortunately ) all that are calling BS and approve of violent video games ( all ages ) the following content should be Just Fine as well;

'Drag Queen Story Hours' Expose Pre-Schoolers to What Some Parents Call 'Gender Insanity'
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...ers-to-what-some-parents-call-gender-insanity

And;


2A is a Right, Owning /Selling Training Material That Teaches Killing People is NOT
https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...ial-that-teaches-killing-people-is-not.49031/

Lol, you can't be serious.
 
Let us look at it from another perspective. I had toy guns before I could walk very well. I watched violent cartoons. I watched violent movies and TV shows about people out west killing each other right and left. My heroes were guys who could shoot better than anyone else on the tube or silver screen. I watched the Father Knows Best episode in which the father was ecstatic about getting a 30/06 hunting rifle for Christmas and proceeded to carry it around the neighborhood to show his friends. I got my first shotgun when I was 11 and had two rifles and a revolver by the time I was 13. I was reloading for them by the time I was 14. I watched the nightly news of Viet Nam while eating dinner and heard all about body counts. My brother and I walked with my father walked down the main drag in the city back in 1964 carrying two military rifles and bayonets that we had just bought at the Army Store one block off the main drag, and nobody seemed to think that there was anything strange about that. The Athletic House that sold lots of guns was between the main downtown cafeteria and the theater and was across the street from the bank. No big deal.

Guns, violence, the deaths of bad people, the necessity of force at appropriate times, and a healthy respect for weapons were a part of my everyday life and the lives of most people I knew, even the college professors I knew so well from an early age. (My father was a Physics Professor at a large university for 42 years. Physics Professors are a strange bunch.) Society seemed to accept the presence of such things and generally dealt with them without panic. We did not glorify the bad guys or demonize the tools of defense that could keep us a bit safer from them.

Things have changed quite a bit since then. What children learn and from whom they learn it has changed. (The college faculties have taken a hard turn to the left in recent years. That is one of the reasons I retired from college teaching.) Years ago I had middle school students cheating on assignments at times, and almost without exception the parents would tell them never to get caught doing it again. They didn't tell them not to do it but rather not to get caught doing it. Being bad was OK, but getting caught was not. The bad guys and outlaws became the heroes rather than the good guys who saved the good people from the evil ones. Children would try to imitate the violent evil characters they saw in movies. I remember when Scarface first aired on HBO. The middle school boys were wild as the wind for about a week after they saw it. I could generally tell when a violent movie was in the theaters by the behavior of the children in my classes. You will never be able to convince me that entertainment does not have an effect on the behavior of children these days.

I do not suggest that we start banning anything. That is about the worst thing you could do. I would suggest that firearms be readily available and a normal part of the landscape. Shooting used to be taught as a PE class. There was a shooting range at my high school and one under the stadium at my university. Being a good shot gave you bragging rights that were socially acceptable. I think that people need to be held accountable for their evil deeds. Justice should be swift and harsh when warranted. The evil ones must again fear their potential victims. Communists need to go back to being the bad guys rather than being promoted as the future of America. In short, roll back the recent liberal agenda.

That will be easier said than done.
 
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"Inspired by a video game" to do something he already decided to do for other reasons, they really mean.
 
So you are in the camp / belief that Vid games have no affect on people, apparently even children.






Seems to be the argument in this thread is BS, makes no difference as to the content of video games.

OK, following that same logic ( unfortunately ) all that are calling BS and approve of violent video games ( all ages ) the following content should be Just Fine as well;

'Drag Queen Story Hours' Expose Pre-Schoolers to What Some Parents Call 'Gender Insanity'
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...ers-to-what-some-parents-call-gender-insanity

And;


2A is a Right, Owning /Selling Training Material That Teaches Killing People is NOT
https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...ial-that-teaches-killing-people-is-not.49031/

lol ok boomer
 
A 'like' for what Charlie wrote isn't enough. Thank you sir.

Any type of indoctrination can and will affect individuals differently. Anyone can deny it, but you have to deny the obviously observable acts of our society today.

Ban things? Maybe. Can we ban single parent/poor parent families? How about not taking responsibility for your kids or your actions?

I could continue but I believe ya'll understand my point.
 
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Has anyone considered there may be more than 1 cause of an evil act or evil person? It cracks me up how everybody rushes to protect their pet cause or bad habit. Surely a person’s environment and habits have some influence on their behaviors. How much likely depends on the individual. And how much negative stimulus gets pumped into them.

https://www.livescience.com/10022-military-video-games.html

https://www.military.com/underthera...games-used-to-train-troops-on-the-battlefield

https://www.versiondaily.com/how-the-u-s-uses-video-games-for-military-training/

https://theconversation.com/how-the...beautiful-video-games-to-train-soldiers-73826

It sure seems like the world’s best killers think video games help training people.
 
Has anyone considered there may be more than 1 cause of an evil act or evil person? It cracks me up how everybody rushes to protect their pet cause or bad habit. Surely a person’s environment and habits have some influence on their behaviors. How much likely depends on the individual. And how much negative stimulus gets pumped into them.

It's odd how we love to champion the fact that violent crime is at an all time low despite or because of higher gun ownership, then turn around and blame video games for violence despite a similar cluster of data.

Since we're attacking pet causes and bad habits (though I'm here 'defending' video games, despite not playing them), alcohol is a large component of violent crime, death, and destruction in this country. Firearms make it easier and less impersonal to kill people in a quicker fashion than a sharpened stick or a rock in a thong of leather; they were made for that very reason. Men are far more likely to kill than women. Punishing any one object, consumptive good, gender, or demographic is only going to disenfranchise the massive majority that aren't the violent simians crawling around on this planet.

People kill people because they are innately violent creatures full of folly and hubris. Oppenheimer and Einstein developed a pretty good preventative, that, if applied liberally enough, would inhibit murder, violence, and chaos, but I don't think many would agree to that cure.
 
Video games and violent movies certainly have an effect on people, but I do not think they are the root cause of violent behavior in children or adults. The cause was already there. The root causes of violent behavior have been around from the beginning of human existence. A nonviolent person is not turned into a violent person by a game or movie, and a disturbed person is likely to act violently eventually without the influence of games or movies. The games and movies may occasionally be what pushes a disturbed person over the edge, but something else most likely would provide the push after a while.

We have always been a violent species and will continue to be so. Banning violent entertainment will not change that. Disarming people will not change that. About the best we can reasonably do is make violence against innocents socially and legally unacceptable and make sure individuals have the tools and ability to protect themselves against violence. Taking the means of self defense away from people does not make them safer from violence.

Do not ban stuff. Let people watch whatever they want. Let people have any weapons they can afford. Let people consume whatever they want. If they do harm, put them away for a long time. You can not prevent evil from occurring, but you might be able to keep an evil person from doing something evil twice.
 
The main problem is most folks don't want to have a nuanced conversation.

If you don't think media effects behavior ask yourself why companies spend and make billions of dollars with advertising. The simple answer is media effects behavior.

Luckily it's harder for it to make someone think shooting up innocent people is the thing to do. But if you think that no one is influenced in that direction by their choice of media then you are not paying attention to what those folks are telling you. And if you extrapolate that to think it effects everyone to do that then you are not paying attention to how the majority of people are effected.

LE and military use video games to train. They use human shaped targets to train. They use photo realistic targets to train. All designed to desensitize that shooter to be able to shoot at another human. For some people, the barrier keeping them from shooting other people is just much easier to break though. And there tends to be a combination of factors as to why, media being just one of them.
 
This kid was probably another case of a Loser lashing out at the world.
I don't believe we should restrict others rights because of Losers.

The weak minded can talk themselves or be talked into almost anything. I have always wondered if "search engines "and others have influenced some of these shooters? They say the try to influence us and do influence us with the ads to buy things. The algorithms could have a loser writing them to influence other losers ?
 
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It’s all opinion one way or the other. But, in mine, I’ll clarify to you all.

Yes, video games can influence violent behavior. So can tv shows, music, literature, public speakers, family members, abuse, psychosis, environment, and whatever else you throw in.

To me it gets lazy when people say “the video games made him do it” in the same way it irritates me when libs blame the gun in a shooting. Yes, guns make killing people easy, and sometimes make killing a lot of people easier. But it still isn’t the guns fault.

Agencies do use video games as training tools, no doubt. But they are using specifically designed games in specific ways. They aren’t throwing recruits into a room with a PlayStation and saying “have at it”. So using the fact that the Army uses video games as evidence that they cause violence is weak.

People are more complex than we want them to be. We are always looking for the “easy answer”. Millions of people play video games, own guns, were abused as children, listen to death metal, grew up poor/wretched whatever and they don’t go out shooting up places. The truth is in the individual, who within that one person was the capability to do evil and then was influenced along the way by numerous events that let to the horrific act. Very few people just wake up one day and go a killin for sport.

So yes, I agree games can influence behavior. It’s why we don’t let my kids play Dead by Daylight. But I don’t have some idea that if they did they would wake me up with a chainsaw to the noggin.


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Let us look at it from another perspective. I had toy guns before I could walk very well. I watched violent cartoons. I watched violent movies and TV shows about people out west killing each other right and left. My heroes were guys who could shoot better than anyone else on the tube or silver screen. I watched the Father Knows Best episode in which the father was ecstatic about getting a 30/06 hunting rifle for Christmas and proceeded to carry it around the neighborhood to show his friends. I got my first shotgun when I was 11 and had two rifles and a revolver by the time I was 13. I was reloading for them by the time I was 14. I watched the nightly news of Viet Nam while eating dinner and heard all about body counts. My brother and I walked with my father walked down the main drag in the city back in 1964 carrying two military rifles and bayonets that we had just bought at the Army Store one block off the main drag, and nobody seemed to think that there was anything strange about that. The Athletic House that sold lots of guns was between the main downtown cafeteria and the theater and was across the street from the bank. No big deal.

Guns, violence, the deaths of bad people, the necessity of force at appropriate times, and a healthy respect for weapons were a part of my everyday life and the lives of most people I knew, even the college professors I knew so well from an early age. (My father was a Physics Professor at a large university for 42 years. Physics Professors are a strange bunch.) Society seemed to accept the presence of such things and generally dealt with them without panic. We did not glorify the bad guys or demonize the tools of defense that could keep us a bit safer from them.

Things have changed quite a bit since then. What children learn and from whom they learn it has changed. (The college faculties have taken a hard turn to the left in recent years. That is one of the reasons I retired from college teaching.) Years ago I had middle school students cheating on assignments at times, and almost without exception the parents would tell them never to get caught doing it again. They didn't tell them not to do it but rather not to get caught doing it. Being bad was OK, but getting caught was not. The bad guys and outlaws became the heroes rather than the good guys who saved the good people from the evil ones. Children would try to imitate the violent evil characters they saw in movies. I remember when Scarface first aired on HBO. The middle school boys were wild as the wind for about a week after they saw it. I could generally tell when a violent movie was in the theaters by the behavior of the children in my classes. You will never be able to convince me that entertainment does not have an effect on the behavior of children these days.

I do not suggest that we start banning anything. That is about the worst thing you could do. I would suggest that firearms be readily available and a normal part of the landscape. Shooting used to be taught as a PE class. There was a shooting range at my high school and one under the stadium at my university. Being a good shot gave you bragging rights that were socially acceptable. I think that people need to be held accountable for their evil deeds. Justice should be swift and harsh when warranted. The evil ones must again fear their potential victims. Communists need to go back to being the bad guys rather than being promoted as the future of America. In short, roll back the recent liberal agenda.

That will be easier said than done.

I agree with you 100%, I too remember that time, learning about gun saftey and the school shooting club, competitions with other schools shooting clubs, buying a shotgun for hunting at the pharmacy and my dad showing my teacher his new hunting rifle when we would leave early to go on a hunting weekend, getting firearms from sears and roebuck catalog and getting new hunting rifles for Christmas from Mom and Dad, also playing cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians..violent cartoons..all that stuff and none of our generation grew up to do violent stuff , rob or shoot people...we all need to teach a healthy respect for firearms to our kids and stop the schools from demonizing guns and shooting, if my kid were to get into trouble because he went to the range with me, I would raise holy hell, thats bullshit to punish a kid for just drawing or talking about a gun...I cant believe the state this county is in with the socialists/ Communists in our government and school systems, and congress women hating America and loving the terrorists......time to change before a civil war happens


When guns become outlawed,I will become an outlaw!
The fact that the government would even consider repealing the second amendment is the very reason for which it was written.
 
I’ll go ahead and say it.
If you don’t believe that the video games kids and adult children play are not effecting their state of mind or detuning them to death, than your dumber than a boot.

no offense meant to the more offendable here.
^This^

Programming is a real thing and anyone that understands basic psychology gets it. People are affected by the environment they grow up in. If its filled with violence and trauma I can guarantee you you're more likely gonna come out a different person than a kid raised in an a wholesome environment. This simple fact does not remove the parents from the equation. It simply address the fact that pimping violent acts and images into an undeveloped mind is a recipe for disaster when that mind isn't also being fed a good steady diet of good wholesome love and reality.

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I grew up playing violent video games, listening to questionable music, watching violent movies, etc.
Most of my friends did too.
The only ones getting into trouble were the ones who didn't have families keeping track of them, and the ones who weren't afraid of their parents catching them doing something bad.
 
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