Securing Frequently Accessed Carry Firearms from Children - Options, Tips, Equipment

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I usually come through the door and toss the carry day's carry gun on kitchen island along with a wallet, iPhone, and car keys. Sometimes leave an unsecured handgun next to the bed. This works because it's just me and my wife. No kids visiting, usually. Well, this is going to change in a few months. We have a baby due in May. I need to develop better firearm security habits. My plan is to secure any firearm that is not actually being carried. The firearm must remain quickly accessible. **In my situation, it would not be convenient to use the same safe(s) that are used for long-term / bulk storage.**

I've seen quite a few quick access safes / locked storage devices. They are biometric or keypad operation....or both. I'll probably have a few of these around the house. This is to solicit opinions regarding practice, procedure, and hardware. Including photos. So, what do you folks with small children use to secure your handguns but allow for quick access? Do you carry every waking moment in the home? Use a lock box? Just hide it real well?
 
First off...congratulations to you and your wife. Your lives will never be the same. You're about to experience more joy than you thought possible.

Lock boxes on nightstands work well. Also, when our son was young, we had a dresser with a mirror that had a large flat top on it. That allowed us to keep the handgun well above eye level and out of his sight. That worked well for us.

Don't forget education as the child reaches an age that he/she can understand. Whenever he was curious, our son knew he and dad would take guns out and look at them, shoot them, etc. We took the mystery out of guns when he was very young, and that seemed to be the trick to keeping him safe.
 
trcubed;n35519 said:
Don't forget education as the child reaches an age that he/she can understand. Whenever he was curious, our son knew he and dad would take guns out and look at them, shoot them, etc. We took the mystery out of guns when he was very young, and that seemed to be the trick to keeping him safe.
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Thanks. Absolutely...education and teaching about safe handling will be part of the routine. Looking forward to that part :). Look forward to taking my little girl to the range. My wife is from a rural area and learned responsible gun handling from her dad very early. We have the .22 bolt action rifle that she received as an 11th or 12th birthday present. Will be a good training tool. Of course, this kid is going to learn a thing or two about revolvers.
 
First off, congrats.

A combination of the above depending on the situation. Having it on you is the most effective way. Just make sure it's SECURE in the holster (probably goes without saying) and that she (the wife) knows you have it on you. Quick access safe as a backup. In the old house (different layout), I left a few stashed up high in the basic $30 gunvault combo safes.
 
I have been incredibly happy with the Barska quick access "biometric" lock box. I keep on next to the bed for just what you describe.

i did a review of it on the old site. After 3-4 years the finger print scanner has never failed.
 
Congratulations! I am not comfortable with systems that rely on a battery, and that often also have a simple key lock as a backup.

I settled on boxes with Simplex-style mechanical locks for quick access but no batteries or keys, e.g. Ft. Knox pistol boxes/Controlled Access Boxes, etc.

The one downside with these that I see is that there are only a thousand or so possible combos, so given enough time a persistent kid/visitor could get in if you didn't have control or awareness that they were working on it.

So one approach is to hide/disguise it in a way that wouldn't slow your access, and/or put it in view of a camera. You also have options with the code setup to make it more complex, like multiple-number presses.

I have bought via Dean Safe and would use them again, and there are plenty of other options.

I do not carry 100% of time in the house due to some concerns of my wife but have a couple plans to aid getting to things quickly if need be.
 
I taught my kids not to touch them without me or mommy. They ask, we show them. They asked 2-3 times. Then quit asking. They both shoot, so they also understand gun safety and that they are not toys. I have 2 girls, which likely makes that easier. I carry all the time and have several easily accessible.

Since I make holsters there are regularly unloaded guns laying around on the table that I'm using. They will still have me or my wife come move them. They are not very curious because we make them a regular part of what is going on. If they show any interest or ask a question I show them and let them look at it.

For a year or two height is your friend. It takes a while for kids to be able to get up on stuff.

As to how I do it, you would have to gauge your kids interest and behavior to make any decisions. At the least, make sure you teach them not to touch them without you or your wife around as soon as they understand.

There is some good info here too.

https://www.corneredcat.com/contents/
 
Congrats on the bundle of joy. Your whole outlook on life is about to change. Education is the key. My daughter is 14 now, but when she was younger we made sure she wasn't curious about them. We let her handle them and shoot them (at an appropriate age of course) I even bought her her own firearm to take to the range. When you take the curiosity out of them, they loose attention and it does not become an object of their affection so to speak. They should be taught that firearms are tools not toys. Just my 2 cents.
 
When you come home, just leave the revolver (I know it's got to be a revolver) on you. At bed time, I guess one of the quick access lock boxes.
 
Congrats.

I can't add much more then been said already. Taking the curiosity out of it is the biggest part. I trust my boys around guns in the house more then my live in Inlaws.
 
I agree with what has been said here: make firearms not a forbidden fruit but something to be respected and understood. Like a car: you would not want to let them loose with the car keys until they learn to respect it. What I would add is while they are still too young -- I guess there is not hard and fast rule here -- to shoot but old enough to take instructions, maybe let them help in cleaning them with you. First it makes that a bit of a bonding/family affair kinda thing and second allows them to start understanding how the bloody thing works. As a bonus you have more opportunities to keep hammering the 4 rules onto them.

If they survive that without being bored to death, or in spite of that, than graduate them to using it. Or maybe start with an air rifle... *theirs*. This is actually an analogy to what a few girls I know had to do before getting to learn how to drive: learning how to check all the fluids and brakes and then changing tires and oil. When they got to drive the family car, they were told that now maintenance is up to them, which gave them a bit of responsibility and ownership which reflected onto their driving style.
 
I'm in the same situation. I've got an 11 month old and he's mobile now. I've been looking at the Hornady lock boxes for the bedroom.
 
I use my long gun safe as it has a shelf at the top to hold such a thing. But as you mentioned, this isn't practical for you. For bedside/quick-access, I've got one of the four-button small safes. I forget which brand, but they're all alike with ONE CRITICAL distinction. There was a news story/investigation done several years ago about a certain model/style that many manufacturers bought from the same factory, which upon dropping onto a hard floor, would automatically spring the quick access door open. I immediately checked mine after seeing this and thankfully found it to be safe.

As long as you put good batteries in it, it works well. I would suggest using the key access for everyday arm/disarm. Leave the keypad (i.e. Battery use) for emergencies. This would prolong the battery life. Just keep the key on your car keys or something.

I've never owned nor been drawn to the fingerprint access. I have no real world experience with them, just a gut feeling that it's gimmicky. I'd argue that I can get the four digits typed and door open just as quickly as a finger print scanner. Anyone I've ever played with at a store takes a second to "scan" or line up your finger just right.

Tailhunter and I went 10 or 15 rounds about this one a couple years ago, so I hope I don't re-trigger that landslide here!
It's excellent that you're making this decision. Kids are the most curious creatures on earth and WILL snoop and find stuff. My eye opener happened before we had kids, so I left my piece in the nightstand drawer, "safe" because there were no kids in th house and rarely ever visited--nor would they be in our bedroom. That changed when we had Christmas party at our place and had everyone's kids in the guest room with a babysitter. The babysitter couldn't keep them contained and the next thing I knew, a herd of kids was in my room jumping on the bed, mere inches from my unprotected gun. Thankfully I didn't have to learn the hard way, but it was still an uncomfortable eye opener.

To the point about educating kids: absolutely. But it shouldn't replace locking them up (them = guns, not kids). They go together because we're all human and can be forgetful or lazy. So for that one time you put your gun on top of the dresser to take a dump and the kid come in to find it...or when you laid it down to change pants and something happened to make you forget to put it back on...or...
Certainly teach them. But in the end, they're kids. They're not little Marines that'll do as you say or remember every daddy talk right off the bat. I can't tell you how many times I've had the "do you know why I tell you to do/not do this" talk with my two knuckleheads. I try every angle from nice to serious "you're gonna die and buzzards will eat your bones" talks. Very little sinks through the granite foreheads. Keep teaching, keep drilling it into them. But don't rely on them acting like daddy said to. And even if you've got a little robot kid who's so obedient they're scared to fart around you, they'll eventually bring a friend or a relative. To me, it's worth the literally 3 seconds of access time to set the security at an acceptable level.
 
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For the toddler stage, out of reach works for long Guns like the top of the closet if you have racks. Handguns the quick access bedside safes are nice. Once they are old enough to understand reasoning, what you teach, and the fear you instill when they do wrong, I agree with what tailhunter didn't say, but then my daughter swings sharp pointed objects around in competition, and will throw down, she isn't a liberals kid that's babied that needs the nanny state laws. But of course we all abide by the law;) everything is secure ;)
 
Rogue_One;n35954 said:
For the toddler stage, out of reach works for long Guns like the top of the closet if you have racks. Handguns the quick access bedside safes are nice. Once they are old enough to understand reasoning, what you teach, and the fear you instill when they do wrong, I agree with what tailhunter didn't say, but then my daughter swings sharp pointed objects around in competition, and will throw down, she isn't a liberals kid that's babied that needs the nanny state laws. But of course we all abide by the law;) everything is secure ;)
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I understand you're being a little cheeky with the liberals comment, but I want to point out that my boys are fed liberal tears every morning in their baby seal corn flakes--seriously though, they're no wimps nor do they come from a liberal house. But they can do some dangerous and stupid crap in the name of exploration and "fun." Even stuff that I've grounded, punished, spanked, threatened them over and over and over again. And before anyone thinks I need to hit the parenting weights, here's a free pass to come stay at our place for a weekend and attempt your professional nanny skills on these two!

What I'm getting at is kids are gonna break from the norm and acceptable routine that we try to box them into every once in a while. Be prepared for it.
 
I have spent tons of time researching this, and came to the conclusion that just about all the available solutions are compromises of one flavor or another. Key principle is to decide what you are defending against: are you keeping kids out, your neighborhood crackhead out, or providing amusement for some HALO deployed mercenaries who are hot to trot for some puny civilian weapons ? Assuming its the kids primarily, understand that at the age of internet access they can google how to defeat these small safes ! IMHO until then, the simplest unit that an adrenaline fueled set of fingers can operate is the best answer. In all cases, bolt the unit down, and anything with volts in it can fail. Think revolver simplicity...
 
I don't believe you can really hide anything from kids for very long, so don't rely on that approach alone. Keeping things out of reach only works for so long; children are very curious, and very clever and resourceful when it comes to figuring out how to get to the top of the dresser, top shelf of the closet, etc. And they are very clever at figuring out how mechanical things work. So don't rely on "they can't find it" or "they can't reach it". Otherwise, lots of good info above. And congratulations!
 
Tailhunter;n35534 said:
Nothing I've done will work for anyone else. I did it like my old man did and that today is unacceptable.

Right, wrong or indifferent, my kids are still alive. :)


So I got nothing, sorry. :rolleyes:
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No way in hell would I have dared to touch any of daddy's guns, I don't even want to imagine the whoopin
 
9outof10mms;n35966 said:
I understand you're being a little cheeky with the liberals comment, but I want to point out that my boys are fed liberal tears every morning in their baby seal corn flakes--seriously though, they're no wimps nor do they come from a liberal house. But they can do some dangerous and stupid crap in the name of exploration and "fun." Even stuff that I've grounded, punished, spanked, threatened them over and over and over again. And before anyone thinks I need to hit the parenting weights, here's a free pass to come stay at our place for a weekend and attempt your professional nanny skills on these two!

What I'm getting at is kids are gonna break from the norm and acceptable routine that we try to box them into every once in a while. Be prepared for it.
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This is why regulations don't work. Everyone's situation is different. A good parent will know what's better for their kid than government. What works for me may not work for you.
 
Diablos;n36019 said:
No way in hell would I have dared to touch any of daddy's guns, I don't even want to imagine the whoopin
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I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
 
Growing up none of our guns were secured beyond the simple fact that I didn't want to deal with the consequence of touching them without permission. That can work if your kids are the only ones in the house. Education is always preferable to gadgets.

Fast forward to first year of married life and the wife's family has kids I cannot control to my satisfaction so now it's time for gadgets. I got a cheap 4-button quick release pistol safe for my carry gun. I change the batteries every new years day and it's lasted 10 years so far...
 
Tailhunter said:
Diablos;n36019 said:
No way in hell would I have dared to touch any of daddy's guns, I don't even want to imagine the whoopin
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I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
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There was trust, but to go in there and take them out to parade them in front of friends or treat them as toys...no way. Firearms and archery equipment were always given the respect they deserved.
 
Tailhunter said:
Diablos;n36019 said:
No way in hell would I have dared to touch any of daddy's guns, I don't even want to imagine the whoopin
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I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
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Not sure anyone mentioned toys or parades.
 
Tailhunter;n36048 said:
I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
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Sounds like you and I grew up in the same house. I had a bb gun at 6, 22 single shot at 8, 20ga at 9. I was killing squirrels for my great-grandmother when I was 8, altho I ended that pretty damned quick.

My son followed a similar path, just reverse the rifle and shotgun ages.

HIS son is on the same path, too. Got his first air rifle for Christmas this year at 5yo.

I never broke that bond of trust...neither did my son. If past provides any pattern, my grandson won't break it either. He's still pretty young, so he'll be closely watched.
 
9outof10mms said:
I use my long gun safe as it has a shelf at the top to hold such a thing. But as you mentioned, this isn't practical for you. For bedside/quick-access, I've got one of the four-button small safes. I forget which brand, but they're all alike with ONE CRITICAL distinction. There was a news story/investigation done several years ago about a certain model/style that many manufacturers bought from the same factory, which upon dropping onto a hard floor, would automatically spring the quick access door open. I immediately checked mine after seeing this and thankfully found it to be safe.

As long as you put good batteries in it, it works well. I would suggest using the key access for everyday arm/disarm. Leave the keypad (i.e. Battery use) for emergencies. This would prolong the battery life. Just keep the key on your car keys or something.

I've never owned nor been drawn to the fingerprint access. I have no real world experience with them, just a gut feeling that it's gimmicky. I'd argue that I can get the four digits typed and door open just as quickly as a finger print scanner. Anyone I've ever played with at a store takes a second to "scan" or line up your finger just right.

Tailhunter and I went 10 or 15 rounds about this one a couple years ago, so I hope I don't re-trigger that landslide here!
It's excellent that you're making this decision. Kids are the most curious creatures on earth and WILL snoop and find stuff. My eye opener happened before we had kids, so I left my piece in the nightstand drawer, "safe" because there were no kids in th house and rarely ever visited--nor would they be in our bedroom. That changed when we had Christmas party at our place and had everyone's kids in the guest room with a babysitter. The babysitter couldn't keep them contained and the next thing I knew, a herd of kids was in my room jumping on the bed, mere inches from my unprotected gun. Thankfully I didn't have to learn the hard way, but it was still an uncomfortable eye opener.

To the point about educating kids: absolutely. But it shouldn't replace locking them up (them = guns, not kids). They go together because we're all human and can be forgetful or lazy. So for that one time you put your gun on top of the dresser to take a dump and the kid come in to find it...or when you laid it down to change pants and something happened to make you forget to put it back on...or...
Certainly teach them. But in the end, they're kids. They're not little Marines that'll do as you say or remember every daddy talk right off the bat. I can't tell you how many times I've had the "do you know why I tell you to do/not do this" talk with my two knuckleheads. I try every angle from nice to serious "you're gonna die and buzzards will eat your bones" talks. Very little sinks through the granite foreheads. Keep teaching, keep drilling it into them. But don't rely on them acting like daddy said to. And even if you've got a little robot kid who's so obedient they're scared to fart around you, they'll eventually bring a friend or a relative. To me, it's worth the literally 3 seconds of access time to set the security at an acceptable level.
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Good stuff, especially the last paragraph.

FWIW, some of those safes have means to be screwed/bolted to another object, preventing the "drop open" bit... if it applies.
 
Diablos;n36019 said:
No way in hell would I have dared to touch any of daddy's guns, I don't even want to imagine the whoopin
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I touched daddy's AK and his revolver and got the whooping and then some - having a round fired by your ear isn't something easily forgettable but then again my dad was a crazy immigrant.
 
Everyone has to decide for themselves how to best handle these situations. For me I did as my parents did. When my son was too little to talk I simply kept things out of reach.

When he was old enough to talk we taught him that he did not touch certain things without a parent present. And when we were present I would unload a gun and let him hold it and showed him how it operated.

This took the mystery out of the gun for him. He is 6 now and he enjoys shooting and when he has a question about a firearm he asks.

I don't simply leave loaded guns lying all over the house. I never would. But at this point I feel like I could and there wouldn't be an issue. He knows they are dangerous to handle. He knows what a bullet can do and he doesn't have a mysterious fascination with something he has never been allowed to touch.

My main reason for this approach was not to coddle and protect him but to teach him. And because while I always make sure if my carry pistol is on the counter I am in the same room I cannot guarantee that he will not run into a situation at someone else's house.
 
Pack72;n35999 said:
I don't believe you can really hide anything from kids for very long, so don't rely on that approach alone. Keeping things out of reach only works for so long; children are very curious, and very clever and resourceful when it comes to figuring out how to get to the top of the dresser, top shelf of the closet, etc. And they are very clever at figuring out how mechanical things work. So don't rely on "they can't find it" or "they can't reach it". Otherwise, lots of good info above. And congratulations!
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Just a note - I'm not refuting what you said, but one important thing (regarding everything they get into), is to be aware of what items have their attention and curiosity and what they're trying to get into, onto, and explore. And never underestimate speed. I swear they can teleport.
 
Tailhunter said:
Diablos;n36019 said:
No way in hell would I have dared to touch any of daddy's guns, I don't even want to imagine the whoopin
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I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
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I think we're all familiar with the news stories of kids that do such things, which is what I was attempting to point out. Hard to do from a phone I guess.
 
The wife an I are also looking into some Tactical Walls products. They're not cheap, but very quick access for a LOT of firepower and well hidden and secured in plain sight.
 
All I would suggest is what works best for almost all things security. LAYERS. So at the beginning start with height. Then you can add a physical box that locks. You can also add locks to doors, drawers and whatever else you can put in the way of curious people. You could add an alarm contact to any of those things. You could also set up a system where you are texted or emailed when the contact is broken. You can add lights, buzzers and sirens. Be creative to find what works with your lifestyle.


Then of course, once your girl is ready the education begins.
 
Congrats!!

I can't add any more more than has already been stated.

Man, times have changed though. My old man was a vet of Korea and a Police officer. Every gun in our home was loaded, no question about it. He had made a built in cabinet at the end of the hall that held everything he wasn't carrying and he was a collector. He claimed to take the question out of it and they were all loaded. I have no idea if every one of them was loaded or not but he made the point and I knew the consequences. The earliest memory I have of any of this was about 6 years old.

I followed a similar path with my kids. When they were old enough, I made them pass a gun safety course with a test. Today kids have no respect. I'm talking about the neighbor kids of course, not ours. Accidents happen and it simply isn't worth it. If I had to do it over again, in today's environment I would probably lock them all up.

I must have been a sibling of Tailhunter and trcubed, I tromped through the woods with a 22, pellet guns in my room, firearms readily accessible. I came home from school in 1st grade by myself until Mom and Dad came home from work. I did NOT have a halo, I was a typical mischievous boy.

​​​​​​​Again, congrats to you and without any experience, I would look at the biometric lock boxes for your carry weapon/bed side weapon.
 
Wolffy said:
Congrats.

I can't add much more then been said already. Taking the curiosity out of it is the biggest part. I trust my boys around guns in the house more then my live in Inlaws.
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Agreed.
 
trcubed said:
Tailhunter;n36048 said:
I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
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Sounds like you and I grew up in the same house. I had a bb gun at 6, 22 single shot at 8, 20ga at 9. I was killing squirrels for my great-grandmother when I was 8, altho I ended that pretty damned quick.

My son followed a similar path, just reverse the rifle and shotgun ages.

HIS son is on the same path, too. Got his first air rifle for Christmas this year at 5yo.

I never broke that bond of trust...neither did my son. If past provides any pattern, my grandson won't break it either. He's still pretty young, so he'll be closely watched.
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I always wanted a brother.
 
trcubed said:
Tailhunter;n36048 said:
I will say this.
I still to this day wonder why my dad trusted me so much.
At the age of 5, I had my bb gun and a bow and arrow. Not a kids set but a real Ben Pearson with field heads and broad heads. Many a rabbit made it into my lunch box from the use of that thing. At around 8 my own pump pellet rifle.
At 9/10 in my own room available to me at any time with all the ammo I could care to shoot a .22 and a .410 shotgun.

Many a day that .22 accompanied me thru the woods and fields. Alone, unattended.


There was never a threat of punishment just a trust/bond that I wouldn't have broken for anything.

Guns/hunting were something we shared and it was very special to me.

How he knew this I'll never know.
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Sounds like you and I grew up in the same house. I had a bb gun at 6, 22 single shot at 8, 20ga at 9. I was killing squirrels for my great-grandmother when I was 8, altho I ended that pretty damned quick.

My son followed a similar path, just reverse the rifle and shotgun ages.

HIS son is on the same path, too. Got his first air rifle for Christmas this year at 5yo.

I never broke that bond of trust...neither did my son. If past provides any pattern, my grandson won't break it either. He's still pretty young, so he'll be closely watched.
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When I was 16, I would have gladly given you mine.
 
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